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Ask HN: Why Am I In College?

6 点作者 blackhole大约 14 年前
I have been rejected twice from the Computer Science department at my college, which severely restricts the CSE courses I am allowed to take. I skip most of my classes, instead teaching myself everything out of the textbook, only attending class to turn in homework or take tests. With this state of affairs, I find myself wondering why I even bother to go to college when I'm working on a startup and only attend college to learn more about programming. Could college doom my startup to stagnation? Could it retard the startup's progress so long that by the time my product is released its already irrelevant? I've talked to several people about this, and there are 3 main arguments for staying in college:<p>1. Networking. The people I could meet in college are too important, even if I can't get into the CSE department itself.<p>Counter-argument: This only works if there isn't a better way to network with like-minded people.<p>2. Ensuring I don't miss out on important concepts. By taking CSE courses, I ensure i'm on an equal educational standing with everyone else and that I didn't miss any important concepts that I wouldn't have picked up during self-study.<p>Counter-argument: You can't possibly know everything and trying to write a perfect program gets you nowhere, so self-study would be far less time-consuming but just as effective, and I know that I am already very good at my chosen area of expertise.<p>3. It's a safety net. Unnecessary risk is stupid, and most startups fail miserably. The time spent at college is worth spending to ensure I don't get thrown on to the street.<p>Counter-argument: The time spent during college could doom the startup before it even finishes its product. Alternatively, if the startup did fail, my situation wouldn't make it unreasonable to go right back to college and find intermittent work to support myself.<p>I may be confidant in my ability to craft a product that can support me, but I'm sure everyone whose startups fail miserably is too. What concerns me is that, of the two internships I had, all I learned was that I absolutely detest having a normal job. If my startup fails, I'd just try another one, and then another one. I probably would never even apply for a job that required a college degree, so if I'm not going to use the scrap of paper they give me at the end, and i'm teaching myself everything out of a textbook anyway, am I wasting my time and putting my startup in danger, or would dropping out be a stupid thing to do?<p>For reference, the startup is not web-based - it involves games. I have 2.5 years of college to go and live with my parents somewhere on the west coast of the United States.

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HelgeSeetzen大约 14 年前
If you are are as skilled as you seem to be, why is the CS department rejecting you?<p>All the benefits of going to university only come into play if you actually leverage your experience (i.e. go to class, work with professors, network with profs and classmates, get decent grades &#38; follow the structural rules necessary to get the right degrees, etc.). Getting into the right departments (and meeting their standards) is a key ingredient of this (sure, their rules might be quirky but they are the established social benchmark right now).<p>If you don't want to leverage your experience then you are in the wrong place. Though keep in mind that the inability to leverage a opportunity-filled environment like university is also a big warning sign for your future entrepreneurial career.
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mbenjaminsmith大约 14 年前
Your post is pretty long so I may have missed it, but can you afford college? Does paying for a degree and getting mediocre grades work for you / whoever is paying for it?<p>If so I would say go ahead and stay there, take classes, pass, but also start shipping your own products (if you're not already).<p>Like a lot of people I got a degree (not CS) at some bullshit private college because I felt I had to.<p>I'm now on my second career (CS) and my second successful business and I can tell you that my degree has meant almost nothing to me. It's probably true that my first career (in marketing) wouldn't have taken off if I had to tell people I was a college dropout, but programming is pretty unique in that regard and in my experience many/most people just want to know if you can ship a quality product or not.<p>Having said that, I've seen a lot of people who say they must to do their own thing really mean that they can't commit to whatever they're doing. I used to be like that. You say you're confident that you can build products that can make money. Have you done that? If not then get there first (while in college) and see how you feel.<p>If you're really a startup person, you can manage both college and a product to prove yourself. I don't know how your CS department works, but having a product on the market might also open that door. If not, screw them and go your own way.<p>Also, failure in business is not binary or permanent.
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damoncali大约 14 年前
Change majors. Try business or liberal arts. Have fun with it and learn some things outside of computers, which you seem to have down already.
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amathew大约 14 年前
Why go to college if you're not going to attend classes (aka being lazy), study, or attempt to get good grades?<p>Sure, I agree that college is over-rated and not for everyone. However, you are in college, and don't seem to be making any effort to learn or be productive. If you're going to college on taxpayer dollars or your parents money, then you are just wasting someones hard earned money. IF you stay in school, at least attend classes.
marklabedz大约 14 年前
The greatest thing I took from college was the ability to approach a problem and truly explore it from different angles. (I'll admit to a liberal arts education.) The state of the art, by definition, is constantly changing, so have the ability to learn and attack challenges is very powerful in the "real world" beyond college.