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Zoom needs to clean up its privacy act

1597 点作者 seapunk大约 5 年前

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conradev大约 5 年前
As other people have stated in this thread everything in Zoom&#x27;s privacy policy seems to indicate they are sending data to advertisers only as necessary to advertise their own products. They likely:<p>- Use the Facebook iOS SDK to measure conversions from app install ads<p>- Send a list of hashed email addresses to Facebook or other advertisers to do ad re-targeting<p>- Have Google Analytics on their websites to track where people are visiting their website from, i.e. a click on a Google AdWords ad<p>While these are all not _ideal_ because _yes_, Google and Facebook use this data for their own purposes as well, it&#x27;s far from _nefarious_. In fact, it&#x27;s pretty standard fare. Could Zoom go above and beyond and reject these tools? Yes, they could. Does anyone in practice? No.<p>If Zoom was selling metadata about their calls, leaking contents of their calls, or themselves served ads – then yes, I&#x27;d be concerned. But all indications point to them purchasing ads to further the growth of their business.<p>I think it is perfectly reasonable to seek guarantees around the usage of the above, more sensitive data (contents of video calls, metadata of video calls, etc.) but on the flip side to imply from their privacy policy that they are sending it to Facebook or that they are &quot;in the advertising business&quot; is jumping the gun a little bit.
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mrpippy大约 5 年前
I just downloaded Zoom for Mac, saw that it was a .pkg file. Great, I can see what files it installs before I install it.<p>I open the .pkg, click Continue so it can run its script, then a second later Installer quits and the app launches. What?!<p>Turns out, Zoom installs the entire app in the &#x27;preinstall&#x27; script of the installer package! Inside there&#x27;s a copy of &#x27;7z&#x27;, and the app is extracted with that. The preinstall script is littered with typos and poor grammar.<p>I&#x27;m not one of those people who thinks that Apple is going to force all Mac software to come through the App Store, but when I see stuff this stupid...I start to wonder.
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mikestew大约 5 年前
I have a need for Zoom, virus or no, but the point of the article is why I don&#x27;t give them money. Give them money, while the company is apparently still going to worry about milking advertising dollars out of me? That&#x27;s just going to be a strong &quot;no&quot;. As the final paragraph of TFA says, either charge more or give away less for free. But if you&#x27;re selling me out to advertisers after I&#x27;ve given you money, then you&#x27;re one of &quot;those&quot; companies that I avoid if at all possible. Because they&#x27;re skeezy. You don&#x27;t want to appear skeezy, do you, Zoom?<p>So for now Skype and MS Teams works fine, or at least fine enough that I don&#x27;t bother with Zoom. Which brings me to a side question: what <i>is</i> the value proposition for Zoom? What does their product do so much better than the others that I&#x27;d put up with this shit? Why am I hearing the hell out of it lately? Outstanding PR department?<p>EDIT: thanks for your answers to “why use it, then?” Because “it just works” seems to be the summary, which hoo boy, one cannot say about a lot of the competition.
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geoffeg大约 5 年前
&gt; As quarantined millions gather virtually on conferencing platforms, the best of those, Zoom, is doing very well.<p>Why would Zoom care about their privacy issues if they&#x27;re doing so well off? Seems like that&#x27;s a good amount of positive reinforcement that their current approach is the right one to them. Maybe they&#x27;ll lose a few thousand customers because of it, but given what I&#x27;m sure was a huge increase in the past few weeks, why would it be something they&#x27;re concerned about?
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luminati大约 5 年前
Honest question [not trying to act controversial], especially with all the US-China spat.<p>Zoom&#x27;s engineering team is based in China - the product is primarily built out of there. [1]<p>What guarantee is there that the CCP is not intercepting&#x2F;backdooring all video communications? Especially in current situations, where so much sensitive information is being discussed via Zoom?<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnbc.com&#x2F;2019&#x2F;03&#x2F;26&#x2F;zoom-key-profit-driver-ahead-of-ipo-engineers-in-china.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnbc.com&#x2F;2019&#x2F;03&#x2F;26&#x2F;zoom-key-profit-driver-ahead...</a>
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say_it_as_it_is大约 5 年前
One major problem for Zoom is that it cannot merely focus on its core video conferencing competency while achieving the growth objectives of a publicly traded company. A high-quality video conferencing platform is hard to replicate until it isn&#x27;t. The amount of talent and energy being spent right now on video conferencing, as a result of remote work, is going to amount to commoditization of high-quality video conferencing. Zoom has maybe another 12 months of juice left. As a result, it&#x27;s advancing into new categories and will compete with customers very soon.<p>I&#x27;d be very cautious about sharing information with Zoom. You may be showing it where to fish.
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AndyPa32大约 5 年前
The paid version has a feature where the organization admins can listen and watch in conversations without anybody noticing or giving consent. I am quite sure that doing so would be illegal where I live (Germany).
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GekkePrutser大约 5 年前
Yeah I hate ZOOM sooo much.<p>First there was the issue with them turning on the camera by default. At least you could turn that off. Then there was the spyware they installed on every Mac without even asking for consent. And now this...<p>Since the spyware thing I refuse to install their crap on my machine, but one of our suppliers still uses it and the web client is very choppy.. But they&#x27;ll just have to put up with it. I&#x27;m never installing it again.
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ryeguy_24大约 5 年前
I get that privacy is important but this company has become a household name over night. My mom literally just installed Zoom because her friends were talking about it (eyeroll). The company has obviously helped the global economy work remotely and keep productivity moving over the past few months. First, thank you to Zoom for making a great product and continue to work under ridiculous load. Secondly, I agree that privacy is an issue but can we tone it down a bit considering the global situation at stake.<p>What am I missing? I&#x27;m asking humbly. Because it seems like we are complaining about the food at a homeless shelter?
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gbrown大约 5 年前
One thing I&#x27;ve noticed about it which rubs me the wrong way is that, on Linux, when I exit the application it keeps running in the background. There&#x27;s no reason that it advertises why this should be necessary, and I don&#x27;t see any option to disable it. I shouldn&#x27;t have to manually kill the process to exit a program.
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chias大约 5 年前
I thought this was going to be about their hilarious CSP, which whitelists the following domains:<p><pre><code> &#x27;unsafe-eval&#x27; &#x27;unsafe-inline&#x27; blob: https:&#x2F;&#x2F;*.50million.club https:&#x2F;&#x2F;*.adroll.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;*.cloudfront.net https:&#x2F;&#x2F;*.google.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;*.hotjar.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;*.zoom.us https:&#x2F;&#x2F;*.zoomus.cn https:&#x2F;&#x2F;*.zopim.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ad.lkqd.net https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ajax.aspnetcdn.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;apiurl.org https:&#x2F;&#x2F;appsforoffice.microsoft.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;assets.zendesk.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bat.bing.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cdn.5bong.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cdn.jsdelivr.net https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cdncache-a.akamaihd.net https:&#x2F;&#x2F;code.jquery.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;connect.facebook.net https:&#x2F;&#x2F;consent.trustarc.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;extnetcool.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fp166.digitaloptout.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;googleads.g.doubleclick.net https:&#x2F;&#x2F;intljs.rmtag.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pi.pardot.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;px.ads.linkedin.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ruanshi2.8686c.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;rum-static.pingdom.net https:&#x2F;&#x2F;s.dcbap.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;s.yimg.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;s.ytimg.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;s3.amazonaws.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;scout-cdn.salesloft.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sealserver.trustwave.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;secure-cdn.mplxtms.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;secure.myshopcouponmac.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;snap.licdn.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sp.analytics.yahoo.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;srvvtrk.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;static.zdassets.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;static2.sharepointonline.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tag.demandbase.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tpc.googlesyndication.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tracking.g2crowd.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;translate.googleapis.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;trk.techtarget.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;unpkg.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.comeet.co https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dropbox.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google-analytics.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.googleadservices.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.googletagmanager.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gstatic.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;d.adroll.mgr.consensu.org https:&#x2F;&#x2F;serve2.cheqzone.com https:&#x2F;&#x2F;static.ada.support &#x27;self&#x27; </code></pre> via: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;jasvir&#x2F;status&#x2F;1242518507683639296" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;jasvir&#x2F;status&#x2F;1242518507683639296</a>
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blntechie大约 5 年前
Zoom have had several controversies with its privacy now and still going strong . Great staying power like Facebook.<p>The product must be really good. I have never used them more than in couple occasions and found it like any other web conferencing tool in my opinion.
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pearjuice大约 5 年前
Did you know they also make a public address book in your entire organization of people on zoom? You can&#x27;t easily opt out of this. I&#x27;m currently contracted at a govt organization which other than mundane conference calls you have to reserve a spot for by email (which nobody does because it&#x27;s not 1998) doesn&#x27;t have any remote video&#x2F;audio infrastructure so basically each team is doing their own thing. Some use zoom, others discord and so forth. A lot of teams started to use zoom and they sign up with their @xyz.gov e-mail. Literally everyone is then public to everyone on @xyz.gov and whether they&#x27;re currently in a call.<p>Everyone is still on the free plan and reconnecting after 40 minutes (it&#x27;s basically standard procedure when the 10 minute countdown starts to rejoin). I bet it won&#x27;t take long before zoom sales get in touch and you think the person going to approve the tailor-made $$$ contract cares about privacy? Or the 700 people already using it except for a small minority who don&#x27;t have any influence in this kind of decision making?
skrebbel大约 5 年前
Is Zoom-dissing just in fashion these days? In the last few days I&#x27;ve seen these on HN:<p>- Having the Facebook SDK installed in their iOS app, which sends user data to Facebook even if the user has no Facebook account<p>- Having a setting, that&#x27;s off by default, that lets other callers see whether you have the Zoom app in focus<p>- Having a general &quot;accessibility over security&quot; engineering attitude, which led them to eg shipping their desktop apps with a builtin HTTP server (and with it a much bigger security surface area), just to skip one extra step in the join-meeting-via-a-zoom-link-flow. They removed it after a backlash, but the engineering attitude probably didn&#x27;t change.<p>Now, I agree that all of these are bad. It&#x27;s OK for outrage to happen over these things, every single one of them are shit and major companies like Zoom need to get their act together.<p>But I also think that <i>many</i> apps out there do stuff like this. The majority of popular apps, I&#x27;d wager. Why is Zoom being singled out? First Vice, now a Harvard blog, a <i>bunch</i> of unsubstantiated tweet storms.. Is it just, en vogue to diss Zoom somehow?
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Tokkemon大约 5 年前
Is Zoom the best though? Google Hangouts seems to be just as good.
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Medicalidiot大约 5 年前
I am always very hesitant to say anything personal over any video chat medium unless I know it&#x27;s end to end encrypted. I know that they&#x27;re not actively watching my video meetings, but it&#x27;s still causing a chilling effect in how I conduct myself with their service.
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kitotik大约 5 年前
Clearly they don’t “need” to do a thing. They were already gaining a ton of market share before COVID19, and this has only cemented their position.<p>The people who are concerned about privacy aren’t really the ones writing them big checks anyway.
CoffeeDregs大约 5 年前
Title is sort of incorrect: &quot;Zoom needs to clean up its privacy act&quot; should be &quot;Zoom needs not to do stupid shit&quot;...<p>I&#x27;m a fan of the product but this is ridiculous behavior (great Linux support). I have a hard time imagining the product meeting in which &quot;Yes. That&#x27;s a good idea. Let&#x27;s do it.&quot; was said. I get that FB is big, that Zoom wants the credibility, etc but that&#x27;s a sign that management is not thinking clearly about their product and should be a red flag to any investor (among the many green flags from current demand)...
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wintermutestwin大约 5 年前
Use case: Mediation<p>Zoom is the only easy to use videoconferencing tool I have found that can do breakout rooms. Mediation is, by law, a confidential process.<p>From the ConsumerReports article: &quot;Videos aren&#x27;t off-limits, according to the document, and neither are transcripts that can be generated automatically, the documents you share on your screen, or the names of everyone on a call.&quot;<p>In recommending that my clients use Zoom, am I violating my ethical and legal requirements? Is Zoom breaking the law?
afrcnc大约 5 年前
I think people are missing the fact that ZOOM doesn&#x27;t actually clean up its act. It has lots to profit from selling user data.
quantified大约 5 年前
Note also at least the unwanted&#x2F;unnecessary facebook connection: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vice.com&#x2F;en_us&#x2F;article&#x2F;k7e599&#x2F;zoom-ios-app-sends-data-to-facebook-even-if-you-dont-have-a-facebook-account" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vice.com&#x2F;en_us&#x2F;article&#x2F;k7e599&#x2F;zoom-ios-app-sends...</a>
james_niro大约 5 年前
I am using zoom for school with 300 students and it works great. My professors who are not tech savvy were able to use it without problem. Zoom makes recording, screen sharing and chatting much easier than other softwares. Also, I like how easy it is to call in.<p>Also, at my work we use zoom for everything. It is a powerful software that we love.
astatine大约 5 年前
We have been using Zoom four 4 years now. And it has simplified conferences enormously. Sometimes a few of our customers insist on using their own corporate mandated systems. Half of these times there is a struggle to get the meeting going for one reason or the other. We offer to set up a zoom call and, quite literally, the call is back on track within 2 minutes. Regardless of which country the user is in, the device being used, or any other parameter which somehow seems to trip up all the other systems regularly.<p>I have used Skype, webex, hangout meet, gotomeeting, various other entirely web based ones and none come close to the reliability that Zoom provides. No wonder it&#x27;s getting adopted like crazy.<p>Kudos to them for handling this traffic with absolutely no visible hiccups.
jb3689大约 5 年前
Zoom should really come out with a public statement (does one exist?). They&#x27;ve been called out a number of times over the past week or few and I think it would be wise for them to clear up any misconceptions (or hide in a turtle shell if they are clearly screwed either way)
oblivionreb大约 5 年前
It&#x27;s a necessary evil for many of us students. Institutions just aren&#x27;t willing to deal with compatibility&#x2F;pricing issues with such short notice. Zoom found its niche as a bootstrap crisis averter, I guess
eagsalazar2大约 5 年前
This post inspired me to actually try out Jitsi but was put off by their request for access to my Youtube profile when the prompt was &quot;connect your google calendar&quot;. WTF?<p>Anyone know what that permission is even about?
tinyhouse大约 5 年前
Do Zoom have their own infrastructure or do they run on aws&#x2F;azure&#x2F;gcloud?<p>I think it&#x27;s amazing how zoom became so popular recently. It&#x27;s even been approved to be used for Passover Seder dinner by some Rabbis :)<p>It also very popular in academia and reminds me of Dropbox. When I was a student everyone around me used Dropbox. They developed a great product which competes with Google and other giants. But those were all unpaid users and eventually Dropbox moved their focus to Enterprise. Zoom will soon be in a similar situation.
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coder1001大约 5 年前
&quot;the best of those, Zoom, is doing very well&quot;<p>Is Zoom really the best? No other comparable platform out there?<p>Anyone know how difficult it would be to build something like it on top of aws or a similar cloud?
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wyoh大约 5 年前
Can someone explain the advantages of Zoom over a FOSS solution lake Jitsi Meet? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;meet.jit.si&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;meet.jit.si&#x2F;</a>
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EastSmith大约 5 年前
I&#x27;ve been using zoom for more than a three years now, and I want to know if Zoom is providing transcripts of private 1 on 1 conversations to the room owner.<p>Just to clarify - the zoom room is not mine. We are using it across a group of like 10, for a group meetings - sometimes all of us, sometimes subgroups, sometimes one on one.<p>I can not imagine a world where a company would do that, but given the recent events, I am not ruling out this level of creepines.<p>Zoom?
femmelibre大约 5 年前
The case of #poorjennifer calls for major concerns. Every woman should feel safe using Zoom for work, never worry about privacy violation, such as manager videotaping her without her consent, then saving recordings in zoom cloud without her knowledge. Zoom videotaping goes against Privacy Law in California. Consent is diligently required.
chandru2大约 5 年前
K-12 education uses zoom because it&#x27;s HIPAA and FERPA compliant. My understanding is that Skype and Hangouts aren&#x27;t.
avmich大约 5 年前
&gt; Zoom has an extremely valuable service, which it performs very well—better than anybody else, apparently.<p>Objection - best advertised (or should I say &quot;best&quot; advertised) doesn&#x27;t equal best. I&#x27;d be truly surprised if somebody actually presented convincing arguments that Zoom service is better than anybody else.
ChicagoDave大约 5 年前
I experienced the switch from Webex to Zoom in a corporate office environment and being able to see your meeting on the iPad and clicking start is a huge win. And if you’re in any room you can just connect because it knows where you are.<p>Webex addresses are stupid by comparison.<p>I don’t like this Facebook crap but otherwise Zoom is pretty slick.
sloshnmosh大约 5 年前
I am very curious about Zoom’s desktop version as I have seen it used for sensitive telemedicine sessions between doctors and court ordered patients. I think Facebook’s response was disgraceful, putting the onus and blame on the developer after FB developed a plug-in which is no different than malware.
ChrisMarshallNY大约 5 年前
Probably ninja&#x27;d, but it looks like Zoom cleared this up:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vice.com&#x2F;en_au&#x2F;article&#x2F;z3b745&#x2F;zoom-removes-code-that-sends-data-to-facebook" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vice.com&#x2F;en_au&#x2F;article&#x2F;z3b745&#x2F;zoom-removes-code-...</a>
guptaneil大约 5 年前
If anybody else is wondering about alternatives, DHH sourced some ethical options in this Twitter thread: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;dhh&#x2F;status&#x2F;1243248363979419649?s=21" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;dhh&#x2F;status&#x2F;1243248363979419649?s=21</a><p>Of those, I tried whereby.com yesterday and was blown away. It just works with zero downloads in any browser, including mobile, and is very high quality. From my brief usage, I highly recommend it for small teams.
tobyhede大约 5 年前
If your answer to a privacy concern is &quot;use a Google product&quot; you may not quite understand Google&#x27;s business model.<p>Zoom is as good as video can be in 2020. Google may be on parity, but tools like WebX are laughably inferior.
mehrdadn大约 5 年前
<i>Zoom Removes Code That Sends Data to Facebook</i>: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=22708233" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=22708233</a>
tomc1985大约 5 年前
Where did Zoom suddenly come from? I never even heard of it until this quarantine stuff, then all of the sudden everyone is talking about videochat on Zoom.<p>It&#x27;s like WTF, another contender for this throne? Sigh.
frabbit大约 5 年前
Are there any advantages to Zoom over Jitsi Meet? For most people&#x27;s use case (a small group of family friends) the simplicity and quality of the Jitsi Meet setup is incredible.
hanoz大约 5 年前
As it&#x27;s beginning to look like my days as a Zoom refusenik are numbered, what is the safest way to use it? Android, iOS, Chomebook, some form of virtualization or container?
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tmpynews大约 5 年前
I don&#x27;t know if it can. Its always bound by its government. By that measure I am really surprised people in large companies trust it. I really am surprised by its adoption.
zekrioca大约 5 年前
Does any one have any knowledge at how Zoom is architected? I know they own some datacenters, but so does Microsoft, which has a worse service than Zoom.
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liquidify大约 5 年前
For a piece of software that initially made claims to having encryption and privacy concerns, yes, yes they do.
brenden2大约 5 年前
Not just Zoom, basically every company.
quocble大约 5 年前
Wow, hackernews is a cesspool of self-serving &quot;intellectuals&quot;. We&#x27;re in the middle of a pandemic, which already killed 27 thousands people. And the #1 post is privacy act? Can&#x27;t you guys admit that you didn&#x27;t come up with video calling company worth 37 Billion dollars. Maybe it&#x27;s worth talking the positive impact on Zoom during this crisis.
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ddrt大约 5 年前
Coincidentally NextDNS blocked my use of the Harvard site for bad ad tracking. Hmmm.
nsmog767大约 5 年前
Of all things, lack of trust and transparency from a video platform is pretty scary. Hard to justify using Zoom any longer. Lifesize is a good alternative that a lot of people don&#x27;t know about (I have no stake in them, but have used it before).
gruglife大约 5 年前
I have the feeling that outside of the HN community and other tech communities, most people just don&#x27;t care about this, which is sad.
st3fan大约 5 年前
Where is the Zoom CEO in this thread?
bena2005大约 5 年前
broken link?
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meritt大约 5 年前
It works really well.<p>One that has been a total game changer for my company is when I&#x27;m hosting a conference call, I can simply &quot;Invite by Phone&quot; my participants. They get a phone call, are prompted to &quot;Press 1 to enter the conference&quot;, and boom they&#x27;re in. It&#x27;s drastically reduced people fumbling around with phone numbers + participant codes, ending up in the wrong meeting, or getting stuck in some unnecessary software install loop. If someone is more than two minutes late, they&#x27;re getting a phone call that brings them instantly into the meeting.<p>Also a really nice feature, again for phone conferences, is when people dial-in I see their phone number handle in the UI. But during the call as they introduce themselves or I look up their number, I can then rename their user to something recognizable. Now if I&#x27;m on a call with 5 people at another firm, I appear really impressive because I know who each person is by their name. When someone is speaking on the conference call, their icon lights up. If someone has a ton of background noise I can easily mute them.<p>Zoom Phone (addl paid feature) is awesome too. Virtual phone numbers, IVR, call routing, busy hours, I can instantly turn a 1:1 conversation into a zoom meeting that other people can join, etc. Zoom Phone works on my iphone like a regular dialer, and I can place&#x2F;receive fully digital calls on it (pretty similar to how Google Voice works), so it doesn&#x27;t matter if I have actual cell service.<p>I&#x27;ve never used Microsoft Teams, and does look really snazzy, but Zoom is an absolute joy to use compared to every single other conferencing software I have ever used. The video chat and screensharing is fast and responsive and just works exactly like you would expect it to.
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gnusty_gnurc大约 5 年前
I’ve found Jitsi to be more than adequate with no need to download an app onto my computer. Just share the link with my friends!
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monadic2大约 5 年前
Too little, too late. Corporations cannot be trusted with software.
bluntfang大约 5 年前
harvard needs to pay their food service workers
shaan1大约 5 年前
Think twice before using Zoom. They have a lot of engineers in China developing the core technology. You would be foolish to conduct meetings and share sensitive docs over zoom. Communist party is listening to everything.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnbc.com&#x2F;2019&#x2F;03&#x2F;26&#x2F;zoom-key-profit-driver-ahead-of-ipo-engineers-in-china.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnbc.com&#x2F;2019&#x2F;03&#x2F;26&#x2F;zoom-key-profit-driver-ahead...</a>
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shd4大约 5 年前
Zoom needs to fuck off. This is apologism. We need open source and decentralized solution and we need to shut up. I&#x27;m tired of this.
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