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China clamping down on coronavirus research, deleted pages suggest

329 点作者 new_time大约 5 年前

16 条评论

andromeduck大约 5 年前
Huge change of tone from 2 months ago, ok m guessing it&#x27;s because because they fear that the lab accident theory will gain more traction academically or they fear people will reveal the scale of the damage to the public vs the clearly fabricated stats we have now.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.japantimes.co.jp&#x2F;news&#x2F;2020&#x2F;01&#x2F;30&#x2F;asia-pacific&#x2F;science-health-asia-pacific&#x2F;chinas-top-court-rebukes-police-virus-rumor-crackdown&#x2F;#.XpNyy0EifDt" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.japantimes.co.jp&#x2F;news&#x2F;2020&#x2F;01&#x2F;30&#x2F;asia-pacific&#x2F;sc...</a><p>www.nationalreview.com&#x2F;the-morning-jolt&#x2F;all-signs-point-to-china&#x2F;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dailymail.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;article-8188557&#x2F;amp&#x2F;Did-coronavirus-leak-research-lab-Wuhan-Startling-theory-no-longer-discounted.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dailymail.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;article-8188557&#x2F;amp&#x2F;Did-cor...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thebulletin.org&#x2F;2020&#x2F;03&#x2F;experts-know-the-new-coronavirus-is-not-a-bioweapon-they-disagree-on-whether-it-could-have-leaked-from-a-research-lab&#x2F;amp&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thebulletin.org&#x2F;2020&#x2F;03&#x2F;experts-know-the-new-coronav...</a>
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gerdesj大约 5 年前
I don&#x27;t buy the escaped&#x2F;released from a lab theories espoused here and on Facebook and the like. Apparently the mutations within the SARS-COV-2 found in humans compared to the bat virus are purely random and hence the thing is not or very unlikely genetically engineered. My source is a recent New Scientist article. So the bloody thing is simply a virus that affects all people, everywhere, without fear or favour. Simply ...<p>Pretty much all stats I&#x27;ve seen relating to this thing are painfully awful. Here in the UK (in England), care home deaths are not reported in the main death stat etc etc ad nauseam. Scotland reports in its own way as does NI (or not bother) compared to England and Wales. We have minimal testing anyway so who knows what is actually going on?<p>Anyway, one thing I am absolutely certain of is that whilst the stats in Europe and the US, CA etc are a bit wonky at best they are at least a decent attempt to have a go at reporting the situation.<p>I think that the CN and other results that are so way off the curve that other nations and territories are reporting are complete fiction and dangerous fiction at that.
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justicezyx大约 5 年前
Hi guys,<p>As a Chinese living in US. Please be mindful that a lot of people do not distinguish China the government, and the Chinese people, living in or outside of China mainland.<p>This type of news, are of course worth discussion.<p>But meanwhile, please refrain from politicizing beyond the facts. Think about not letting what a few political figures have started, i.e., politicizing the event without considering the impact, into actual hate crimes targeted at minority groups.<p>Thanks!
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gnusty_gnurc大约 5 年前
In lieu of evidence that the “wet market” story is true, the accidental lab release is pretty compelling. Interesting to see how people react to it though - as though the idea is outlandish that a laboratory working with pathogens from actual bats could mishandle things. Is there even any evidence people ate bats at the wet market?
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radicalbyte大约 5 年前
The the American leadership constantly calling it by the region name you can understand why an authoritarian regime would want to control discussion of the origins by experts. The risk is of their research being weaponized by said demagogues.
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nikkwong大约 5 年前
I&#x27;m trying to be a good bayesian reasoner here but the particulars of this specific case are all so tangled and piecemeal. The conspiracy theorists among us are having an absolute field day with the current events and it&#x27;s easy to see why.<p>According to my bayesian analysis, I believe that the most likely cause of this virus is a wet-market infection, followed by a slip-up at a lab, with—by high margin, in very very last place at, say, 1% probability, that this was concocted by a nefarious player (the CCP being a favorite candidate). The conspiracy theorists (my Facebook friends especially) seem to rank the likelihood of this list in reverse (i.e. clearly this was concocted by the chinese government). With how secretive and disingenuous the CCP is even on a good day, it&#x27;s easy to see why their argument has a few credence points (like any good conspiracy).<p>But I can&#x27;t reconcile that there&#x27;s not much for the CCP to gain on the world stage by releasing this thing. The US was already so politically tumultuous, and the 2016 Russian disinformation campaign was <i>so</i> much more effective at breaking our democracy apart, with the added benefit of not sending our economy into a global recession as a byproduct. What has the CCP gained here? Xi&#x27;s power as a leader has only weakened, and their position as the world&#x27;s factory is now only slipping faster.<p>So this is kind of like 9&#x2F;11 to me. The people who would be the most likely to profiteer off a tragedy like this would have not in any capacity been able to pull it off, and the ones who are powerful or otherwise sophisticated enough to pull it off don&#x27;t have much incentive to anyways. So that&#x27;s why bayesian reasoning leads me to believe that yes, we know these viruses jump from animals to humans from time to time, and this seems to likely be one of those instances. What am I missing?
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Gatsky大约 5 年前
Now things are starting to settle down, everyone can get back to being their usual selves, whether it is a totalatarian surveillance state or a conspiracy theorist.
AzzieElbab大约 5 年前
This is basically the end game for China. Either they buy off everything while their economy is still running, or they face isolation. They fd us all way too hard this time
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ferest大约 5 年前
Because academic research can&#x27;t be rushed. One of the requirements for an advanced degree is publishing papers, and if coronavirus related can easily bring attention and get the paper published, students would try taking the fast track. This is not good for research in general.<p>There was a huge debate back in late Jan. early Feb. on Chinese social network about a paper didn&#x27;t get peer-reviewed spreading all over places with misinformation. Hence the Fudan University post in Chinese was to tighten the publish review, and nothing about delaying the research.<p>This guardian news only showed the story without context, which is pretty misleading.
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swiley大约 5 年前
Combined with the researcher at the lab that was disappeared this is pretty convincing.
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Razengan大约 5 年前
Tinfoil hat: I&#x27;m not keeping active track, but I passively perceived a sheer drop in mentions of the fact that Wuhan has China&#x27;s first &quot;biosafety level 4&quot; laboratory, coinciding with an increased lambasting of the US&#x27;s handling of their infections in the general media (&quot;<i>The Wuhan virus is now the American virus</i>&quot;), along with a streak of random US-critical posts (&quot;<i>What is the worst thing the US government has done?</i>&quot;) being massively updated on Reddit (which has a major investment from Tencent.)<p>This is from the country which forces foreign companies to remove flags of countries it likes to bully (Taiwan, Japan) from their products. It&#x27;s not inconceivable that they are filtering the narrative about themselves in something actually serious, such as this pandemic.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Wuhan_Institute_of_Virology#Concerns_as_source" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Wuhan_Institute_of_Virology#Co...</a>
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ninetyfurr大约 5 年前
Ironically in censorsed domains, the absence of information is a very clear indicator of truth. It happens everywhere - there are many true things you are not allowed to post on the internet.<p>You know the old saying, &quot;Just because you read it on the internet, doesn&#x27;t mean it&#x27;s true&quot;? Consider the inverse: Just because you haven&#x27;t read it on the internet, doesn&#x27;t mean it&#x27;s not true.
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ycombonator大约 5 年前
They are afraid where it will lead to.
boomboomsubban大约 5 年前
Given the response articles saying it would be possible to engineer the virus have caused, this doesn&#x27;t seem that extreme. The &quot;origin&quot; of the virus has become a political issue that fringe extremists in many countries are using to attack other countries.
ngcc_hk大约 5 年前
They have been very successfully control who. With the same technique controlling access, we might never know and any whistleblower ... china not open up and free, we are playing Russian or shall we say china lottery. With humanity fate.<p>No freedom of press and academic research and human rights, china pose a danger to humanity. And regards to they might kill themselves, noticed that they have kill 30m+ in Great Leap Forward. Not even one Memorial Or Day is in. How many 30m we have outside china.<p>Wuhan virus is the 2nd wake up call. Hard to wake up people who pretend to sleep. I would try again WakeUp.
dchyrdvh大约 5 年前
My favorite theory is that the Wuhan virus lab created the virus and used bats in experiments. One bat escaped and infected other bats that eventually ended up on the wet market in Wuhan. Edit: a more plausible theory is that one researcher got bitten by an infected bat and chose to hide this fact.
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