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As more of them die, grocery workers increasingly fear showing up at work

89 点作者 turtlegrids大约 5 年前

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strict9大约 5 年前
This is going to get worse, and for other professions not generally getting news coverage.<p>A close relative of mine for the USPS. Mail volume has dropped dramatically, yet they are desperate for employees to work overtime.<p>It&#x27;s because so many are using their vacation&#x2F;sick time or otherwise not coming in, and I don&#x27;t blame them. Some are going through cancer treatment, have diabetes, or other complications which put them at risk.<p>Some in the distribution center have contracted COVID-19, and at least one (but maybe more) has already died.<p>There are a lot of people endangering their life coming in to work, and not just grocery stores and hospitals.
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PaulDavisThe1st大约 5 年前
Then again, here&#x27;s Kevin Drum @ Mother Jones asking what he got wrong here:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.motherjones.com&#x2F;kevin-drum&#x2F;2020&#x2F;04&#x2F;working-in-a-grocery-store-is-a-pretty-safe-job&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.motherjones.com&#x2F;kevin-drum&#x2F;2020&#x2F;04&#x2F;working-in-a-...</a><p>RTLD: 41 cited deaths among 3M grocery workers is a lower death rate than the population as a whole ?
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gwittel大约 5 年前
In the SF south bay area stores have been very uneven across the board with respect to sanitizing and rate limiting customers. Some seem to be faster and started early (e.g. Trader Joe&#x27;s) while others are doing little.<p>A few days ago was the first time I saw that most (not all) Whole Foods workers had PPE (mask, gloves). I&#x27;m hoping its a supply issue, but wouldn&#x27;t be surprised if it was a corporate &quot;don&#x27;t scare people&quot; issue.<p>While I strongly prefer to select my food for quality, I&#x27;d be happy for workers&#x27; sake if stores were pure pickup only (basically a local warehouse) with enough slots for everyone to get what they need; leaving delivery for those who really need it. But stores are just not equipped to handle that sort of operation.
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tyingq大约 5 年前
I noticed they aren&#x27;t very consistent. Some stores already put up plexiglass barriers in front of the cashiers, appear to be enforcing distance, etc. Others aren&#x27;t.
mikekhusid大约 5 年前
Grocery worker COVID deaths: 41&#x2F;900000 = 0.00004555555 (this number is from article and only for union members).<p>Total US COVID deaths: 28000&#x2F;328000000 = 0.00008536585. So seemingly there&#x27;s nothing particularly risky about being a grocery store worker. In fact, you&#x27;re about half as likely to die!<p>Keep in mind the 328mm number includes children, non-working adults, etc and of course total deaths are skewed towards older non-working adults. Still it&#x27;s extremely frustrating, but not surprising, that the media refuses to do any sort of cursory analysis like this.
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saalweachter大约 5 年前
We&#x27;ve basically split our population into two groups, a large group that is (hopefully) staying put and not interacting with the world as much as possible, and a small group that is still going about business as usual, because we need them to. The smaller group is hopefully doing everything they can reduce their risks, but small risks repeated frequently become likely odds.<p>As a civilization, this still buys us a lot (in the US, it&#x27;s the difference between 30 million and 230 million people catching the disease and some percent of them dying), but even if you assume all 3 million grocery store employees are in the low-risk 20-29 demographic, we&#x27;re still expecting ~1200 of them to die from COVID-19, given our current understanding of the disease.<p>That alone would make working in a grocery store roughly as dangerous as being a coal miner in the present day US, or roughly 4 times more dangerous than being a police officer; it gets worse if you assume many employees are not in the lowest risk category.
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tpmx大约 5 年前
The rational thing would be to pay grocery workers in risk groups (underlying diseases, age) to stay at home.<p>(And recruit healthy young people to temporarily replace them.)
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alexandercrohde大约 5 年前
Well, these store have to stay open, no matter what. So I guess there&#x27;s nothing to be done, other than have low-risk populations ready to fill these roles.<p>Seems a little bit scare-mongery to me.
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danzig13大约 5 年前
There definitely should be a rule limiting the number of people allowed in stores.<p>I&#x27;ve quit going to our before pandemic store. It is impossible to social distance.
neonate大约 5 年前
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DoreenMichele大约 5 年前
We need cultural changes.<p>More self checkout.<p>More automatic sliding doors.<p>Better designed public bathrooms similar to Walmart bathrooms: No door at all; choice between paper towels and hot air hand dryer; touchless faucets and automatic flush toilets.<p>Hand sanitizer at every cash register.<p>Better training for cashiers. Cashiers who do things like lick their fingers to open bags have long been the bane of my existence because I have a compromised immune system.<p>What we are doing now is not the way it has to be. PPE is not the optimal solution.<p>I think we have our priorities backwards. We emphasize the hell out of hand washing. It&#x27;s number one on the list of &quot;five things&quot; the WHO is encouraging people to do to stop the spread.<p>Number three is &quot;Stop touching your face.&quot; That should be the top priority. It&#x27;s prevention.<p>Emphasizing hand washing as more important than &quot;stop touching your face&quot; is implicitly telling people &quot;It&#x27;s okay to expose yourself. Just use soap afterwards and everything will be okay.&quot;<p>No, it won&#x27;t. You need to stop touching your face. You need to stop licking your fingers to separate grocery bags.<p>On top of that, you should also wash hands frequently. But washing hands frequently isn&#x27;t enough in the current culture where people are oblivious about the things they touch.<p>When I ask cashiers &quot;Please don&#x27;t do that&quot; or &quot;Please use hand sanitizer now that you have licked your fingers&quot; they sometimes tell me they didn&#x27;t do what I just watched them do seconds ago. They do it so habitually, they aren&#x27;t even consciously aware of it anymore.<p>In some cases, they get belligerent with me. How dare I ask them to practice germ control! How rude!<p>Yes, this was mostly before the pandemic. I&#x27;ve been trying to protect myself from infection for a lot of years. It&#x27;s largely irrelevant to my point.<p>My son told me he saw two people hugging in the parking lot of the grocery store and one of them confusedly asked &quot;Aren&#x27;t we supposed to not hug?&quot; and the other, an older person, dismissed that with &quot;We aren&#x27;t supposed to hug strangers!&quot;<p>Even with their lives on the line, people are failing to get the memo that you can&#x27;t run around touching everyone and everything. This needs to somehow stop and I&#x27;m appalled that the WHO is part of the problem here in that they are emphasizing hand washing as the top priority rather than emphasizing &quot;Keep your hands clean to begin with by not touching every damn thing, especially not your face.&quot;<p>And I don&#x27;t know if the WHO is that stupid and honest to god doesn&#x27;t realize that not touching stuff is the more important thing or if they have studies and yadda and they believe that it is a lost cause to tell people &quot;No, really, <i>stop touching stuff!!!</i>&quot; and hand washing will get more compliance, so they emphasize that.<p>But they have their priorities backwards. We can get this under control, but we have to practice germ control and the messaging we are getting is insufficient.
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voiper1大约 5 年前
Paywalled. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;outline.com&#x2F;2SY4ks" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;outline.com&#x2F;2SY4ks</a>
kbuchanan大约 5 年前
I pay for the Post. Love their reporting. But man! I&#x27;ve never seen so much fear mongering as they&#x27;ve peddled in the last month. News is a product—I get that. But they&#x27;re <i>straining</i> to wring every last drop out of COVID.
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lonelappde大约 5 年前
41 dead out of 3 million.<p>Odds aren&#x27;t so bad yet.
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cultus大约 5 年前
Listening to capitalists, one would think that wages would just increase and safety would increase to equilibrate the labor supply. It&#x27;s interesting that doesn&#x27;t happen, but instead these major retail companies are taking out huge ad buys to performatively praise their workers in front of third parties.
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