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$50 Odroid-C4 Raspberry Pi 4 Competitor Combines Amlogic S905X3 SoC with 4GB RAM

86 点作者 watchdogtimer大约 5 年前

21 条评论

myself248大约 5 年前
Thank goodness it's a regular HDMI connector. The mini and micro connectors used on certain Pis add $5 to the cost the moment you want to actually use a display.
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chomp大约 5 年前
But does it run a mainline Linux kernel? I hate how a lot of Hardkernel’s stuff needs custom patches.
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snvzz大约 5 年前
The highlights: 720mA on load, eMMC support and not being based on a broadcom SoC. I am tempted to get one.<p>The raspberry pi was that way regarding power consumption in the beginning, but it uses way too much power these days. It also has an infamously slow and unreliable sdcard interface.
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DeathArrow大约 5 年前
Still no cheap ARM board with SATA3 support.<p>Still no ARM board with a decently powerful CPU, SATA3, NVME, PCI-E x16, USB3.2, and DDR4 slots.<p>It looks like ARM boards are pretty much the same, unless you want them for a pretty niche application.<p>Also, software support is not quite the best.
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Legogris大约 5 年前
This looks like a compelling alternative to Rpi4B, and I&#x27;m happy they went without WiFi&#x2F;BT. I really wish we saw more boards like this with PoE support, though - if nothing else as an optional hat to the board.
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dmm大约 5 年前
Does ffmpeg have access to the video decode acceleration on these boards?<p>Or is it an external binary that, for example, Kodi is using to decode?
mgulick大约 5 年前
Having eMMC support is a game changer over a microSD card. It makes it feel like a real computer.
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BubRoss大约 5 年前
This has an A55, which I don&#x27;t think is competitive with the raspberry pi 4 A72. The pi 4 was a huge breakthrough because it has a multi core out of order cpu and starts at $35.<p>Something that people would buy over the pi 4 will have to be a later generation A7X cpu without being more than double the price.<p>The better the CPU, the closer it comes to a lightweight desktop replacement, child computer, TV computer, router replacement etc. The pi 4 is already getting into that territory.
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mosselman大约 5 年前
This is very interesting to me: H.265&#x2F;H.264 60fps encoder<p>I could use this to re-encode my video collection without having to have my main pc running for days&#x2F;weeks.
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zihotki大约 5 年前
So according to 7zip and unixbench benchmarks RPI 4 with out of order CPU on 1,5GHz is on par with Odroid C4 with in order CPU on 2GHz. And the price you&#x27;ll pay to get one will be closer to 70$ in EU including shipment costs or reseller fees.
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ijager大约 5 年前
Just like the RPi, no plated mounting holes for grounding. I am curious if there is a valid reason not to use grounded mounting holes.<p>It is not easy to pass EMC tests if you want to embed these boards into some device without proper grounding.
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acd大约 5 年前
I think Odroid c4 will have a gpu advantage an area where traditionally Raspberry Pi has been weak. It takes time and tweaking to get ok graphics out of the pi. So Odroid may make for a better HTPC setup.
heyflyguy大约 5 年前
Someone need to build a marketplace where you can rent these new little boards that come out. I&#x27;m probably buying one every quarter, play with it for a day or two and throw it on the pile.<p>good fun though
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vardump大约 5 年前
I hope next Raspberry Pi will finally upgrade to 64-bit memory bus. 32-bits is just too narrow. If the price is an issue, lowest $35 tier could still be 32-bit.
sebdei大约 5 年前
Anybody familiar with emulation on the Amlogic? I&#x27;m looking for a good SBC for months now for HTPC &amp; Emulation and was shortly before ordering a VIM3. However, I read somewhere that Amlogic processors are not good for GPU tasks like emulation due to unsupported drivers. Therefor, I looked at other Board like the Rockpi N10. What you guys think?
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quezzle大约 5 年前
The software lets down all raspberry pi alikes.
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raphlinus大约 5 年前
Does anyone know if these things support Vulkan? I know on the RPi4 it&#x27;s being worked on but will probably take a while.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.raspberrypi.org&#x2F;blog&#x2F;vulkan-raspberry-pi-first-triangle&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.raspberrypi.org&#x2F;blog&#x2F;vulkan-raspberry-pi-first-t...</a>
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sgt大约 5 年前
It&#x27;s perhaps a bit dishonest to show a &quot;UHD 4K video&quot; being displayed in Firefox and YouTube when there&#x27;s no confirmation at all what kind of video mode the player is running. It&#x27;s probably 1080p or maybe 720p.
megous大约 5 年前
Good thing is that it doesn&#x27;t use 5V input directly, and you can connect it to higher voltage power supply, and don&#x27;t need to worry that much about cabling and power supply quality.
simon1573大约 5 年前
How well would this hold up as an HTPC? Any reasons to avoid it?
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hajile大约 5 年前
Lies, Dang Lies, Statistics, and not questioning data from the company selling the board.<p>A55 is a 2-wide decode in-order architecture with 2 execution ports and 2.65 DMIPS.<p>A72 is a 3-wide decode out-of-order architecture with 8 execution ports and 4.72 DMIPS.<p>Obviously something is wrong here, so let&#x27;s examine what it could be.<p>To get it out of the way, Mali G31 MP1 is theoretically slightly less performance (20.8GFLOPS vs 24GFLOPS), but my money would be on the Mali being much more efficient (the VideoCore architecture has been notoriously slower than it&#x27;s theoretical numbers would indicate).<p>Cache is another consideration. The Pi 4 uses 1mb of L2. I can&#x27;t find anything about the 905 except that it has L3 cache. The maximum L2 for A55 is 256kb. L3 can go up to 4MB. The s922x launched middle of last year and seems to have had 1mb of cache on it&#x27;s A73 cores, so I would guess at less than that for a lower-end chip. In any case, I&#x27;d put cache as equal at best.<p>Pi 4 uses 1-4gb LPDDR4-3200 vs some DDR4-1320 on the odroid. No matter how you slice it though, something weird is going on here.<p>There is a default clockspeed difference (1.5GHz vs 2.0GHz), but it isn&#x27;t nearly as large as the actual performance per clock difference. Since the 905 is apparently rated to run at 1.9GHz, I suspect they slightly overclocked the chips in their devices. I&#x27;d note that overclocking the Pi 4 to 2.0GHz is easily doable, but I wouldn&#x27;t expect them to do that as it can lower the life expectancy of the chip (given the 8-stage A55 pipeline, I doubt that the 905 has much overclocking overhead).<p>On paper, the Pi 4 should be way faster at most of these things, so it must be elsewhere.<p>The first stop is data storage. SD cards suck. They suck so much that a spinning drive can usually get better performance. They desperately need to launch a new Pi with a SATA port or PCIe port for a faster drive. eMMC is a much better default option. The Pi loading benchmarks get 2-4x faster (sometimes more) when a USB3 SSD is used. On the flip side though, if a benchmark sits in RAM, you aren&#x27;t going to notice a difference unless their benches are including load time. That may be fine for a few things, but it should be stated and it simply doesn&#x27;t apply to a lot of real-world uses (for example, loading a browser may be a little slower, but opening and using web pages will not).<p>The next question is thermals. The 28nm Pi with larger cores definitely gets hotter and throttles more than the 12nm smaller A55 cores. If they shoved the pi into the default enclosure without a heatsink, it would definitely throttle hard which would affect benchmarks significantly. I fully expect this to be responsible for a large percentage of the performance disparity over what would be expected. Testing the raw Pi would be much more fair. A small heatsink would be more than fair and a fan would be overly-generous (seriously, pi foundation needs to recommend and sell a heatsink and redo their case design to accommodate a fan). I&#x27;d love for this to also be disclosed.<p>The next issue is insidious and veers much closer to evil. Using the same OS when possible should be a prerequisite for fair comparisons. Ubuntu team did some great work and fixed the major bugs that were hurting 64-bit usage (USB issues and 2-3GB RAM limit). I switched from Rasbian and there was a <i>very</i> noticeable increase in performance. Those fixes have been available for almost 6 months and there&#x27;s no reason not to use it for their testing other than cooking the benches. We aren&#x27;t talking small amounts either. 10% faster memory, 50% higher dhrystone, 15% faster audio encoding, 2x faster network performance, etc. I&#x27;m almost positive that they used Rasbian instead.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@matteocroce&#x2F;why-you-should-run-a-64-bit-os-on-your-raspberry-pi4-bd5290d48947" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@matteocroce&#x2F;why-you-should-run-a-64-bit-...</a><p>No matter how you slice it though, they legit won the encryption benchmark by a landslide. Broadcom didn&#x27;t include the armv8 crypto extensions. It was a dumb decision and one more thing that needs to be fixed on the next generation pi.