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How coffee became a modern necessity

222 点作者 heshiebee大约 5 年前

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outime大约 5 年前
I came to the same conclusion after seeing all my family drinking at least 3 cups daily. Then all my friend, then me being 15 years old started.<p>About 13 years later I’ve quit cold turkey after having some anxiety problems and headaches. I did some research and read a book which is from the nineties and a bit outdated but holds up pretty good. It basically cured both problems (but withdrawal symptoms the first days were tough, I admit).<p>For many people it’s ok to drink coffee I guess, but consider that it can affect you and almost no doctor will look into coffee consumption when you pay them a visit to see what could be the reason of some of those ailments. Also I saved a good chunk of money.<p>So no, you don’t need coffee. You need to give your brain a break (sleep properly) if it asks for it, and you don’t need to drug yourself with substances to “focus” and go on with your life. If life isn’t exciting then you may want to change it.<p>I recommend reading r&#x2F;decaf for some interesting testimonies.
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keiferski大约 5 年前
I hope that someday cafe culture makes a comeback. As much as I love sitting in a cafe working on my laptop, the current iteration of cafes is but a pale imitation of what they were in the past.<p>Revolutions were plotted, art movements invented, and history made in places like Cafe Central in Vienna. I recommend reading literature from the 1880s-1930s to get a sense of how important they were for the time period. <i>A Moveable Feast</i> by Hemingway is a good start.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Coffee_culture" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Coffee_culture</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Coffeehouse" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Coffeehouse</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Café_Central" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Café_Central</a>
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Arjuna大约 5 年前
Coffee, and its associated caffeine effects, has an interesting history in the battle theater. These comments regarding coffee are from the American Civil War:<p><i>&quot;Perhaps the North&#x27;s access to caffeine gave its soldiers a strategic advantage. At least that&#x27;s what one Union officer, Gen. Benjamin Butler, thought. He ordered his men to carry coffee in their canteens and planned attacks based on when his men would be most wired. His advice to other generals was: &#x27;If your men get their coffee early in the morning, you can hold.&#x27;&quot;</i> [1]<p><i>&quot;In 1859 Sharps Rifle Co. began to manufacture a carbine with a hand-cranked grinder built into the butt stock — or handle — of the rifle. Union soldiers would fill the stock with beans, grind them up, dump them out and use the grounds to cook the coffee. As the morning began, one Civil War diarist described a scene of &#x27;little campfires rapidly increasing to hundreds in numbers that would shoot up along the hills and plains.&#x27; The encampment would buzz with the sound of thousands of grinders simultaneously crushing beans. Soon, tens of thousands of muckets (coffee pots) gurgled with fresh brew.&quot;</i> [2]<p>[1][2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.npr.org&#x2F;sections&#x2F;thesalt&#x2F;2016&#x2F;07&#x2F;25&#x2F;485227943&#x2F;if-war-is-hell-then-coffee-has-offered-u-s-soldiers-some-salvation" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.npr.org&#x2F;sections&#x2F;thesalt&#x2F;2016&#x2F;07&#x2F;25&#x2F;485227943&#x2F;if...</a>
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thirteenfingers大约 5 年前
Very disappointed that the article doesn&#x27;t mention that about 1734 Johann Sebastian Bach actually wrote a secular cantata (often called the &quot;Coffee Cantata&quot;) telling the story of a father trying to get his daughter to stop drinking coffee.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Schweigt_stille,_plaudert_nicht,_BWV_211" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Schweigt_stille,_plaudert_nich...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bachvereniging.nl&#x2F;en&#x2F;bwv&#x2F;bwv-211&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bachvereniging.nl&#x2F;en&#x2F;bwv&#x2F;bwv-211&#x2F;</a>
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headcanon大约 5 年前
Coffee has a good number of health benefits - plenty of antioxidants and its good for your liver. Naturally, overuse can be bad for you because of its dehydrating effects. I&#x27;ve had conversations with some people who mention they&#x27;re on their 4th or 5th cup a day, and I&#x27;ve said that I found that 1 or 2 cups a day coupled with plenty of water are much more effective.<p>Just like anything, a little bit can be good for you, but don&#x27;t take too much - and stay hydrated! Preferably with plenty of sleep but I understand thats not always realistic for some.
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irrational大约 5 年前
I am so glad I never got on the coffee bandwagon. I once surreptitiously added up how much my coworkers spent on coffee during a typical work week (not even including what they might have spent at home). Crazy (to me) amounts of money.
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rv-de大约 5 年前
Attempted to quit twice - failed twice.<p>For me the quitting symptoms come in four phases:<p>1) very slight uncomfortableness (nothing severe) [~3 days]<p>2) more vivdness, alertness, euphoria, calmness [1 to 2 weeks]<p>3) weird chest &#x2F; heart issues (nothing too severe but very unpleasant and first time was quite worrying) [2 to 3 weeks]<p>4) I&#x27;m feeling down, unmotivated, dull [starting at about week 4 or 5]<p>---<p>stage 4 is what I never survived so far. it&#x27;s just taking too much of a toll. then again it&#x27;s an up and down so I once managed to stop for 4 months. but it brings me to a pre-depressive state where I just don&#x27;t see much point in working. otoh I very much enjoy just relaxing, chilling - if I can do that I&#x27;m happy. if not it&#x27;s a chore - no productiveness at all. very slow mental processing.<p>---<p>I started drinking coffee during puberty. So, I guess my brain is not just chemically hooked on it but actually neurologically developed around it.<p>---<p>then the first cup - what a bliss.
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neonate大约 5 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.md&#x2F;1mPIc" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.md&#x2F;1mPIc</a>
bryanrasmussen大约 5 年前
&quot;On the contrary&quot; I stated. &quot;People who drink coffee are insane. Insane and possessed and, what is worse, willing to be possessed. Most people in asylums drink coffee. If you let them stop drinking it, they would regain enough equanimity to leave. But, no, they don&#x27;t stop. In fact, they drink more and more, and they get crazier and crazier. They&#x27;re dehumanized with every single goddamned drop, and although they sense it, they&#x27;re like lemmings, or buffalo who jump off cliffs. People drink coffee and it makes them insane.<p>&quot;Must you drink coffee? Why not cocoa, tea, cola tea, mate, yoco infusion, or guarana? Why caffeine? Why not theobromine or theophylline? I have had an occasional square of chocolate. It is the cause of uncontrolled ecstasy, but, afterward, you sink into Promethean despair.<p>&quot;Note,&quot; I demanded, &quot;that caffeine was introduced to Europe in the seventeenth century, post-Renaissance. Why is it, do you think, that the art of the Renaissance and the classical period has never been surpassed? The great heights were reached on angels&#x27; wings, not via a filthy corruption brewed from a bean that poisons its own tree.&quot;<p>From Memoir From Antproof Case <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Memoir_From_Antproof_Case" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Memoir_From_Antproof_Case</a><p>as for serving coffee to children, my son can have some when he is able to go a minute without excitedly trying to kill himself in a new and innovative way - so about when he is 30.<p>on edit: added a closing quotation mark I forgot before, haven&#x27;t had my morning cup yet.
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pdog大约 5 年前
Since when is caffeine routinely served to children? I didn&#x27;t have my first cup of coffee until I was an adult.
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nsilvestri大约 5 年前
I don&#x27;t drink coffee for caffeine. I like the flavor, and enjoy the process behind brewing and experimenting with different parameters to make a cup that tastes better or worse or simply different. I like going to coffeeshops just because. It&#x27;s a hobby for me. And although I drink two cups of coffee almost every day, I don&#x27;t feel any kind of withdrawal when I stop drinking it. The caffeine just happens to be a nice benefit.
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fxtentacle大约 5 年前
I feel like the article didn&#x27;t really answer that question. Also, given that some of the most successful people I know don&#x27;t drink coffeine at all, I wonder if the assumption is even correct.
partyboat1586大约 5 年前
Good read. Kellogg and Post might have been right about coffee causing &#x27;enervation&#x27;. Afternoon coffee breaks can lower sleep quality in some people which leads to long term reduction in energy due to low grade sleep deprivation.
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meerita大约 5 年前
I just drink coffee at the morning and probably, after a nap. I never drink more than 2 cups a day. How are you habits?
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ip26大约 5 年前
Setting aside the workplace- where I drink coffee for enjoyment and could function without it- I have discovered that a dose of caffeine makes a tremendous difference when I go running at 6AM. (Roll out of bed at 5:50) I go from feeling like I can&#x27;t make it a half mile, to feeling like the world is happy &amp; beautiful, as the caffeine kicks in. It&#x27;s been quite stark once I realized what was going on.
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emsign大约 5 年前
Ah, just today I had a caffeine withdrawal induced headache, because I had been drinking tea the last three days. It was so bad I had to pop a Thomapyrin tablet with a Coke. For all non-Germans: it&#x27;s a fixed combination drug that includes Aspirin (250mg), Paracetamol (200mg) and Caffeine (50mg).
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didibus大约 5 年前
I love coffee, brings me joy every morning. Feel it&#x27;s worth it for me.<p>That said, I drink specialty coffee only, have my own espresso machine, use only high quality freshly roasted beans, etc.<p>I also don&#x27;t drink more than 2 cups a day, and rarely drink coffee after noon. Sometimes I do a 3rd one later in the day, but will often go decaf for it.<p>With the principal cost of the espresso machine and equipment, the maintainance cost, the price of grass fed whole milk and top quality beans, it comes to about 1$ per cup for me. Since I have 1 to 2 cups a day, that averages around 600$ a year I spend on coffee. Which for the pleasure I get from it is well well worth the price in my opinion.
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jzer0cool大约 5 年前
Referencing from this article here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncausa.org&#x2F;About-Coffee&#x2F;History-of-Coffee" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncausa.org&#x2F;About-Coffee&#x2F;History-of-Coffee</a><p>&gt; &quot;No one knows exactly how or when coffee was discovered, though there are many legends about its origin&quot;<p>And interestingly: &gt; &quot;After crude oil, coffee is the most sought commodity in the world&quot;
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mirimir大约 5 年前
Also see <i>Forces of Habit</i> by David E. Courtwright for discussion about why coffee has been so commercially successful.[0]<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;libgen.is&#x2F;search.php?req=Forces+of+Habit+Courtwright&amp;open=0&amp;res=25&amp;view=simple&amp;phrase=1&amp;column=def" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;libgen.is&#x2F;search.php?req=Forces+of+Habit+Courtwright...</a>
asdff大约 5 年前
I was forced to start drinking coffee. I had to drive myself to high school at 7am, didn&#x27;t get much sleep with extracurriculars and homework and work. Eventually it got too dangerous to drive in the morning being that drowsy so I had to start consuming massive amounts of caffeine. The withdraw symptoms were in some ways worse than nicotine imo.
adamgluck大约 5 年前
I quit coffee almost a year ago and can never see myself going back. I basically have noticed improvements on all the dimensions that people typically drink coffee to &quot;solve.&quot;<p>Some of the effects I have noticed:<p><pre><code> - Less anxiety throughout the day. - Fewer &quot;highs&quot; and &quot;lows&quot; throughout the day. My energy level is pretty constant. - Easier to wake up. I rarely snooze my alarm more than once. - Easier to focus. My level of focus (over time) is more consistent. - Better hydration. This means less headaches, etc. - More energy. I generally have the energy I need to do what I want basically up until I go to sleep. - I can burn sleep. It&#x27;s very easy for me now to go 2-3 days with very limited sleep, and then sleep 12 hours to recover. - Coffee &quot;works.&quot; The one or two times I needed coffee, it actually worked to keep me awake and energized. </code></pre> The reason for this is pretty obvious. Coffee stresses your adrenals and sends your body an &quot;awake&quot; signal. Caffeine&#x27;s half life is 6 hours, which means even if you have it &quot;before noon&quot; you&#x27;ll still have a substantial amount in your system while you sleep. This impacts sleep quality, which means you are accumulating micro amounts of sleep debt every night which you never pay off. Eventually, you struggle to get up in the mornings until you have had some coffee in your system. The &quot;I can&#x27;t function without coffee&quot; effect. This is a pretty much ubiquitous 21st century experience, as far as I can tell.<p>Furthermore, coffee impacts your body&#x27;s natural processes that it uses to wake up. Your body produces cortisol in order to wake up in the morning, which is a &quot;stress&quot; hormone, which is also induced by drinking coffee (which overall impacts the endocrine system). Hacking this system to overproduce hormones everyday isn&#x27;t great for when your body actually needs this system to wake you up.<p>For people considering quitting coffee I have the following advice:<p><pre><code> - You will get a headache 24-36 hours after you quit. Take ibuprofen. (By the way, this should give you a hint to how long coffee actually meaningfully stays in your system.) - You will feel weird for probably 2 weeks. - You will have coffee cravings. (I found these hit when I was tired. I felt like I needed to drink coffee to fix my tiredness. I tried to replace this impulse with drinking water or herbal tea a lot of tiredness is caused by dehydration.) - You will be tired sometimes. You&#x27;ll just have to deal with that, but it&#x27;s really not that bad of a sensation, and the solution: sleep :) </code></pre> People often think cutting coffee out is &quot;impossible&quot; but many people also haven&#x27;t gone a day or two without drinking coffee since they were 18, so, I would say it&#x27;s worth a try at least.
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dzonga大约 5 年前
for those that have an issue consuming coffee e.g headaches, stomach issues. my non-medical advice based on personal experiences is: try lighter to medium roasts. course grounds - french press | traditional brews. 100% arabica beans. flush with water i.e after a cup of coffee drink two - 4 cups of water. also mixing decaf n caffeinated coffee
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JoeAltmaier大约 5 年前
No advice about using&#x2F;stopping using coffee. Just this:<p>Don&#x27;t say &quot;I&#x27;m giving up caffeine!&quot; Because, you know you will start again and folks will all crow &quot;I thought you gave that up!?!&quot;<p>Instead say &quot;I&#x27;m taking a break from caffeine.&quot; Both true and defensible when you start again.<p>Thanks to my buddy Tom for this advice.
tsujp大约 5 年前
Is there a mirror I don&#x27;t have to subscribe or sign in to read?
devin大约 5 年前
Coffee makes me sick. I would never tell anyone they shouldn&#x27;t drink it, but I think it&#x27;s kind of a gross habit. Let the downvotes begin!
scoot_718大约 5 年前
You might as well just link to the archive.is or outline.com version of this story and save us all the hassle.
sunsetSamurai大约 5 年前
Most people don&#x27;t like coffee, they like caffeine, it&#x27;s an addiction. To me, coffee smells bad, tastes ok, and leaves my mouth feeling dirty after drinking it. I just don&#x27;t see the point in coffee, especially with all the disposable containers from Starbucks and the like that go straight to the trash every day.
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dzonga大约 5 年前
also one surprising thing was the shortage of coffee during this pandemic
tyre大约 5 年前
Excellent piece by Adam Gopnik a few years ago about why coffee and cafés specifically we such a drastic social change:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newyorker.com&#x2F;magazine&#x2F;2018&#x2F;12&#x2F;24&#x2F;what-cafes-did-for-liberalism" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newyorker.com&#x2F;magazine&#x2F;2018&#x2F;12&#x2F;24&#x2F;what-cafes-did...</a>
enitihas大约 5 年前
Are there any studies on the impact and benefits of tea vs coffee?
DrScump大约 5 年前
&quot;(Coffeehouses are) nurseries of sedition and rebellion.&quot; -- Charles II
adultSwim大约 5 年前
Colonialism?
blackrock大约 5 年前
Does anyone get intense withdrawal symptoms from coffee?<p>I ran out of coffee, and two days later, I had the most intensive headache.<p>I couldn’t seem to pinpoint what could’ve given me such a bad headache, except that I stopped drinking coffee.<p>I suspect a lot of people are going to have it bad, when the supply chains starts to melt down.
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troughway大约 5 年前
Calling coffee a mind-altering substance is pretty rich. I&#x27;ve heard this sentiment before and it&#x27;s so flippant in it&#x27;s lack of perspective (intentionally so) that its not worth discussing further.<p>This is as far as I got because of the paywall anyway. I really wish HN would just outright reject submissions from domains known to have paywalls. Forget trying to fish it from Google or some archive&#x2F;cache.
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flatTheCurve大约 5 年前
One day coffee&#x2F;caffeine (and alcohol) culture will be heavier scrutinized. Similar to nicotine.<p>My caffeine addiction has caused gastrointestinal problems and I can&#x27;t stay off the drug. (This is already acknowledged scientifically)<p>But as long as authority figures consume caffeine, they will justify it.
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