Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

204 点作者 SREinSF大约 5 年前

31 条评论

scott00大约 5 年前

Some useful context: Zoom also runs 17 of their own data centers in addition to using AWS and Azure[0]. This deal is to run their "expansion" on OCI. Hard to say what that means exactly, but it doesn't sound to me like Zoom is making a big bet on OCI.[0] <a href="https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/zoom-cfo-explains-how-the-company-is-grappling-with-increased-demand.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/zoom-cfo-explains-how-the-co...</a>

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ram_rar大约 5 年前

I worked in a startup that was eventually acquired by cisco. We had the same dilemma back then. AWS and GCP were great, but also fairly expensive until you get locked in. Oracles bare metal cloud sweetened the deal soo much, that it was a no brainer to go with them. We were very heavy on using all open source tech stuff, but didnt rely on any cloud service like S3 etc. So the transition was no brainer.If your tech stack is not reliant on cloud services like S3 etc, you're better off with a cloud provider who can give you those sweet deals. But you'll need in house expertise to deal with big data.

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cmauniada大约 5 年前

Why? Is it because of cost? Perhaps nepotism? I don' see a reason why Amazon or Azure would be passed over in favour of Oracle. Why wasn't GCP a contender either? Something seems fishy... someone from Zoom care to chime in?Maybe they are afraid that Amazon or Microsoft with their tradition of copying competition would pose a threat? Even then, Microsoft is already competing using Microsoft Teams and if Amazon wanted to it wouldn't be hard for them at all to come up with a product.

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MattGaiser大约 5 年前

I suspect Oracle is giving good deals as nobody ever considers them as a cloud provider, so they need to gain market share to stay relevant. They wouldn’t be in the top 10 lists of ones I would think of.How many here even knew they had a cloud you could use?

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btown大约 5 年前

For those who may think Oracle may have moments of nuance, it's always worth listening to Brian Cantrill's epic rant on Oracle and lawnmowers: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc&t=34m7s" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc&t=34m7s</a>

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AndrewKemendo大约 5 年前

A lot of "they must be crazy" in this thread and I admit I had the same reaction seeing the headline.However there are some options here other than "Zoom management is incompetent."1. As others have pointed out, Amazon Google Msft all have competitive products and Zoom doesn't want to give them any more insight than they already have.2. Oracle finally has a set of cloud products that are on par with AWS, GCP or Azure from a cost, availability, license perspective3. They got a great deal to help Oracle change the way they do business so they can become competitive in CloudI don't know if any of these are true or not, but none are implausible imo

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yellowapple大约 5 年前

RIP Zoom's devops team.Having experience with AWS, Azure, and OCI, I wouldn't voluntarily touch OCI with a 29½-foot pole. One of my company's software vendors uses OCI for the cloud-hosted version of their product, and we've had all sorts of random issues that make me really really really want to install the "on-prem" version on some Windows instances in our own AWS account. Maybe we're just an outlier and Zoom will have better experiences, but something tells me that given Zoom's scale the issues will only be amplified.Given that it's an Oracle product, I can't imagine it being cheap in the long-run, either, so I seriously don't know what the value proposition is there. Sure, maybe Zoom got a good introductory price given their scale, but... eek.

DevKoala大约 5 年前

Do people questioning the intentions of this move, have actual experience using Oracle cloud?It seems that people really eat the marketing that AWS/GCP/Azure are the best cloud provider for every single product.Oracle Cloud's perception is in the gutter, and it's all press. It's very possible that they have a competitive cloud service. They were making some decent offers for talent last time I checked.

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kraavi大约 5 年前

“We chose Oracle Cloud Infrastructure because of its industry-leading security, outstanding performance and unmatched level of support.”Zoom stressed security first, Oracle's executive team has a close relationship with the current administration. I wonder if this is a lobbying play in light of China centric security concerns.Oracle isn't exactly known for its security, that would be Microsoft or Google.

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notyourday大约 5 年前

For businesses that actually have users the biggest cost is not instances, it is the per byte billed network cost, including cross-AZ cost.AWS cross zone traffic within the same region is not free:<a href="https://www.lastweekinaws.com/blog/aws-cross-az-data-transfer-costs-more-than-aws-says/" rel="nofollow">https://www.lastweekinaws.com/blog/aws-cross-az-data-transfe...</a>and I distinctly remember getting bitten by the same kind of a bill at Google for traffic between their AZs within the same region, which makes me guess that Azure has the same business model.If Oracle offered Zoom free traffic inside the region between different AZ's then it demolished AWS and GCP pricing.

baggy_trough大约 5 年前

Why the hell would any business get into bed with Oracle if there is any alternative to it? That sales team is merciless, and the money will be extracted to the point that the victim is half dead, once the hooks are in.

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zentiggr大约 5 年前

Well, here you go, Zoom disruptors - they just tied a lead weight around their neck, time to go to and eat their lunch.

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hasperdi大约 5 年前

Unless Oracle is doing it for free, I see little reason to go with them

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president大约 5 年前

Oracle was one of the first major enterprises that converted to Zoom for all their internal communications. Maybe there was already some sort of connection or special relationship between the two companies early on?

lowdose大约 5 年前

Are the same people saying don't do GCP because Alphabet kills all products now commenting Meet is a valid excuse for Zoom to migrate to Oracle as a first choice?Cognitive dissonance anybody?

node-bayarea大约 5 年前

Remember Salesforce is a big investor in Zoom. And they have a big partnership with Oracle. Most of Salesforce DB runs on Oracle DB. They might have influenced.

sanguy大约 5 年前

Somethings as fishy as Zoom's encryption here....

bearcobra大约 5 年前

My understanding is that they already use AWS and Azure, so this probably isn't the case, but I wonder if the fact that the other major vendors have competing services influenced this decision.

byteQualia大约 5 年前

A more realistic perspective on why Zoom chose OCI: <a href="https://www.lastweekinaws.com/blog/why-zoom-chose-oracle-cloud-over-aws-and-maybe-you-should-too/" rel="nofollow">https://www.lastweekinaws.com/blog/why-zoom-chose-oracle-clo...</a>

bosswipe大约 5 年前

Somewhat off topic, but I've found Zoom to have such better video quality then all the other big players I've tried that it leaves me wondering why, do they have some secret sauce for streaming that other don't?

geogra4大约 5 年前

Oracle seems to be pushing OCI really hard to Oracle DB customers.

cczizou大约 5 年前

We need some more competition. Maybe a real-life Pied Piper.

Jonnax大约 5 年前

Is Oracle cloud any good? Is it like the other providers where you can take a credit card and use?Or do you need to give your soul to oracle?

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ABeeSea大约 5 年前

Another red flag in regard to Zoom’s security.

SXX大约 5 年前

I guess Zoom have choosen Oracle cloud for it's horrible UX. Both give me the same chills when I look at their UI.

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m3kw9大约 5 年前

At a time like this $$ matters a lot. Must be a sweet sweet deal.

killjoywashere大约 5 年前

Paint me paranoid, but I think this is a move by Beijing to get closer to Oracle, which provides support for (and thus has access to) many US Government databases.

abledon大约 5 年前

first times a tragedy (security), second times a farce

blackrock大约 5 年前

At some point, it’s gotta be cheaper to just buy your own servers, and build your own cloud. Or at least rent some colocation space.Why keep renting expensive resources, when you can just own it outright.

gameswithgo大约 5 年前

oh no

alephnan大约 5 年前

In the article:> Zoom selected Oracle to expand its cloud, bypassing major industry leaders Amazon Web Services, Alphabet’s Google Cloud Platform and Microsoft’s Azure Cloud.I guess GCP isn't significant enough to be in the headline

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