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Cliqz is shutting down

106 点作者 kenty大约 5 年前

16 条评论

throwaway914892大约 5 年前
Cliqz was a hypocritical product right from the start, and it never attracted a large userbase. The only reason it survived that long because the company behind Cliqz didn&#x27;t care about throwing lots of money into the idea of creating a competition to google.<p>Second, the product doesn&#x27;t provide any practical benefit to google users, so there is no point to switch.<p>Cliqz didn&#x27;t realize that you can&#x27;t sell privacy as a primary product. Privacy is always a secondary attribute to a real product.<p>That&#x27;s why DuckDuckGo is succesful. It profits from the increasing privacy-awareness, but people use it because it both works and respects privacy.<p>Brave is far from perfect, and to a certain extent it is indeed hypocritical. Brave sells us the idea of decentralization, even though in practice there is no decentralization at all.<p>Other than that, you can&#x27;t compare Cliqz with Brave, and here&#x27;s the reason why Brave will not fail:<p>- First and firemost, they have a consistent monthly growth in their userbase for years - In contrast to Cliqz who pushes their own products via Ghostery, Brave acts as a neutral middleman, thus creating a direct competition with Google et al., who are also middlemen. In other words, Brave offers every customer the same opportunity to serve ads - An innovative and unique product: The monthly growth proves this point, as innovation leads to demand. - user first ideology: Even though Brave wants to be a middleman for a privacy-preserving money-flow between creators and users, they allow the user to chose whether to activate it or not. By default, Brave is just a browser that blocks annoying and privacy-infringing stuff. With Cliqz it is basically impossible to get the Cliqz out of the browser, with Brave I can change my browser in a way as to never see anything related to ads, crypto tokens, etc. and Brave actively respects that decision.<p>As long as Brave respects users like me who deactivate everything in the browser related to ads and crypto schemes, they will continue to have a loyal userbase behind them.
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tpmx大约 5 年前
Wow. From that team photo alone it looks like they had ~100 employees.<p>I&#x27;ve never even heard of this company, and I&#x27;m still sorta tuned into the browser business, and based in Europe.<p>Where did they get the money to hire ~100 people?<p>Edit: Ah. They got their money from a german media group struggling to stay relevant: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Hubert_Burda_Media" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Hubert_Burda_Media</a>
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pmontra大约 5 年前
I&#x27;m a little sad about it. I&#x27;ve been using Cliqz from the browser search bar for a few months only because it&#x27;s not Google. I&#x27;m probably switching to DDG now.<p>The search engine kind of works, but years behind Google. The most annoying missing feature is no &quot;exact terms&quot; search, which is a problem when googling error messages.<p>All considered I pressed the Google button at the bottom maybe half of the times, and I bet very few people would stick to such a search engine.<p>&gt; Cliqz failed because of our strong passion for technology and a missing drive from business development<p>I don&#x27;t know about Cliqz but this is generally true. We developers do a great job building (oh well) but if somebody doesn&#x27;t do an even greater job at selling the outcome won&#x27;t be good. The importance of selling vs building is 80-20 IMHO.
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dorkwood大约 5 年前
Up until a certain threshold, I think company names are unimportant and one can succeed despite having a silly name. But once a company steps over that threshold with a name like &quot;Cliqz&quot;, it becomes difficult to overcome the embarrassment you&#x27;re generating whenever someone has to read or say your company name out loud.<p>A common argument I&#x27;ve seen used to defend bad names is &quot;Google and Twitter have silly names, and they succeeded!&quot; Well, I was there when those companies first came on the scene, and I didn&#x27;t find their names embarrassing, so there&#x27;s a difference between silly and embarrassing, I believe.
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skyfaller大约 5 年前
I&#x27;m sorry to see this, I was looking forward to their Android web browser that intended to support the Dat protocol:<p>- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;cliqz&#x2F;cliqz-concept-browser" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;cliqz&#x2F;cliqz-concept-browser</a><p>- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;cliqz&#x2F;daisy" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;cliqz&#x2F;daisy</a><p>I love Beaker Browser and its vision for a P2P web, but it hasn&#x27;t had a major release in a while (despite seemingly having active development) and it appears it will be desktop-only for the foreseeable future. I don&#x27;t think Dat will have much uptake until there is a solid browser on both desktop and mobile.<p>(There was also the Bunsen browser trying to support Dat on Android, but it seems to be abandonware and I was never able to get it working anyway: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;bunsenbrowser&#x2F;bunsen&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;bunsenbrowser&#x2F;bunsen&#x2F;</a> )
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chris_f大约 5 年前
I spent a good amount of time using Cliqz. For creating their own search index, it was pretty good. But it was nowhere near as good as Google or Bing, and to the average end-user that&#x27;s all that matters. Most people don&#x27;t really care about the engineering behind a tool, they just want the tool to work.<p>The company name never bothered me, but from the comments it looks like I&#x27;m in the minority there. Is it any worse than DuckDuckGo?<p>If you are looking for another search engine with their own search index, also check out Mojeek. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mojeek.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mojeek.com&#x2F;</a>
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ddevault大约 5 年前
Good riddance. &quot;Privacy-oriented&quot; is the most egregious tagline I&#x27;ve ever seen from a company like Cliqz. Their real motus operandi was spying on users for targeted ads.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Cliqz#Integration_with_Firefox" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Cliqz#Integration_with_Firefox</a>
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itcrowd大约 5 年前
&gt; Some of the back-burner [marketing] ideas were: Changing the Cliqz name, turning the browser colors to pick for Valentine’s day, advertising on porn websites (okay, that one made it).<p>This must be a joke, right? Who the heck installs a browser (extension) that advertises on a porn website? Changing the Cliqz name would have been WAY better. Cliqz sounds super shady and I would never have guessed it was a search engine.<p>To me this product sounds like one of those toolbars in web browsers years ago.
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heipei大约 5 年前
For what it&#x27;s worth, their engineering blog about how to build a large-scale search engine more or less from scratch was really interesting: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;0x65.dev&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;0x65.dev&#x2F;</a>
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MrGilbert大约 5 年前
Ok, so it&#x27;s kind of difficult to compete with Google. I get that. How about building decentralized search engines? Basically ActivityPub, but for search engines.<p>Any known efforts in this direction?
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bzb3大约 5 年前
Remember the time Mozilla sent the full URL history of some users to Cliqz: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.mozilla.org&#x2F;press-uk&#x2F;2017&#x2F;10&#x2F;06&#x2F;testing-cliqz-in-firefox&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.mozilla.org&#x2F;press-uk&#x2F;2017&#x2F;10&#x2F;06&#x2F;testing-cliqz-i...</a><p>Farewell, au revoir.
bsder大约 5 年前
Can we please just get the old AltaVista graphical clustering back in a search engine? Please?<p>Presumably the problem is monetizing it. I don&#x27;t have good answers for that.<p>Ads are obvious. However, that introduces the perverse incentives that everybody complains about.
smoyer大约 5 年前
I tried Cliqz for a day and didn&#x27;t find the results useful (so I went back to DDG.)
Hoasi大约 5 年前
It is shutting down and this is the first time I even hear about it.
floatingatoll大约 5 年前
More discussion here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=23043785" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=23043785</a>
dessant大约 5 年前
&gt; Cliqz lost the fight against Google. There’s no way to sugarcoat this.<p>&gt; A cynic might say that Cliqz failed because of our strong passion for technology and a missing drive from business development.<p>A cynic might also say that you were dishonest and masqueraded as something different than what your business model represented, so people had no compelling reason to switch over from Google, which does a much better job at offering quality products and deceiving its users.<p>I hope Brave Browser is next. Brave is the kind of company that exploits people&#x27;s desire for privacy to become a rent seeker for creators and publishers, sprinkled with some crypto tokens as bait.
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