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People and jobs? Or wealth? The government has to decide which to prioritise

41 点作者 ivarv大约 5 年前

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roenxi大约 5 年前
This debate is harder than usual because nobody knows what is happening right now, therefore nobody can claim to know why. How many people are suffering, and what of? What is the supply chain about to do? What are the long term effects? Nobody knows. We&#x27;re in uncharted territory. Problems can&#x27;t be solved if nobody knows what they are and why they are happening.<p>The policies that are implemented in this environment will not be thought out. Until this crisis ends it will be an ugly free-for-all to find out who has political power at the moment and can implement all their long-standing agendas with no special regard for current circumstances apart from some extraordinarily big handouts.
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renewiltord大约 5 年前
The UK has triple lock pensions. Knew it was time to quit the UK when that happened. Took a while but I managed it.<p>Pensioners everywhere are powerful. You&#x27;ll never sacrifice them. They&#x27;ll eat the young whenever they get a chance. Your only hope is to get in as close to the ground floor and then eat as many young yourself.
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mydongle大约 5 年前
There&#x27;s a reason why it used to be that only landowners could vote. The powerful typically owned land and they knew if non-landowners could vote, they would outvote the landowners.<p>When the right to vote became available to everyone&#x2F;most people, the landowners shifted to using their wealth in order to influence government&#x2F;politics in their favor. This has worked out well for them, since as a general rule people either are too naive or politically apathetic to come together to outvote the landowners. Despite being grounded into dust by them, the common person still feel that they have much to lose by going against them. This reminds me of a fictional gambling game from an anime I&#x27;ve watched called E Card.<p>&quot;The game is starts with each player holding five cards, four of which are Citizens and the last being either a Slave or an Emperor. Who holds which card is decided beforehand, and is played like that for three turns before switching. The game lasts for a total of twelve turns, meaning each side gets to play Emperor twice. The players choose one card from their hand (Emperor side lays first) and place them face-down on the table. They are then flipped over to reveal the winner of the match.<p>The three card types are Citizen, Emperor and Slave.<p>The Citizen card represents the common man, and cannot defeat the Emperor who sits at the top. It can, however, defeat the Slave, who resides at the very bottom of the system. Two citizen against each other results in a tie.<p>The Emperor represents the one at the top of society. This card can defeat the citizen, but will lose to the Slave.<p>The Slave is presented as the one at the very bottom of society. Seeing as how it has nothing to lose, it can overthrow the Emperor in one last attempt at revenge. This card will lose to a Citizen, but will win against the Emperor card.&quot;<p>My thought is that we have a large population of people who have been fooled into thinking they are the Citizen, when they are little more than Slaves. They believe that they are different, more than Slaves. So they have something to lose. Thus they can never go against the Emperor, and in fact, play their role as the Citizen in keeping down the actual Slaves who could do something about that Emperor if they actually got together.<p>Now do I think people will wake up and realize they are the Slave? Probably not, but there&#x27;s a non-zero chance, depending on how the government decides to act during this crisis. Most likely though, the Citizens are going to be given some scraps, just enough that they have something to lose and keeps them under the illusion that they are more than a Slave.
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mark_l_watson大约 5 年前
I am in the USA, but similar situation.<p>I believe that if, big if!!, the public would cooperate, that a plan like Hong Kong’s makes a lot of sense. Sure businesses are less profitable and some will not survive, but it would get things restarted quickly.<p>Trouble in the USA is a lack of patriotism: people are into their own selfish thing and they feel put upon and don’t do what is right for both public health and starting up the economy again.<p>It seems to be mostly young people in my town who act irresponsibly and will thus likely ruin the economy for a long time.<p>A long term failed economy is full-stop the fault of people unwilling to be decent human beings and do what needs to be done, and, of course, the fault of our federal government leadership which has so far been poor.<p>We are just getting started with changing health practices and public interactions and we are just getting started understanding what the long term economic consequences will be. There is no quick fix here.<p>But for sure, we need less selfish and entitled behavior, and protect people who need extra protection, and be willing to pay a little more to businesses and totally cooperate with more distancing in public places and businesses and of course apply maximum social shaming pressure on people who are so incredibly selfish as to not wear masks when appropriate. It is like some people have no sense of shame.
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jackcosgrove大约 5 年前
Since the late 70s consumption growth has outpaced productivity growth. The gap was plugged with debt. You cannot roll that debt over forever, even if you are Jerome Powell.<p>The older people who hector young graduates about paying back their student loans are precisely the people who voted for deficits <i>with no intention of ever paying off the debt</i>.
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save_ferris大约 5 年前
This is a such an epic situation that I&#x27;m sure we&#x27;ll be talking about for the rest of our lives.<p>Pick two or three groups to save: workers, landlords, bankers, or businesses? Not everyone can be saved, and the political positioning of these classes makes this battle all the more impactful. This author chooses to sacrifice the banks and the landlords, and makes a pretty good case for why.<p>The wrong answer could spell the end of capitalism, at least as we understand it today. Maybe &quot;wrong&quot; isn&#x27;t the correct word here, I don&#x27;t know. I&#x27;ve never seen such huge decisions laid bare like this before.
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skybrian大约 5 年前
There are a lot of empty hotels, and it seems like prices will need to go down. Who is going to live there?
jhwang5大约 5 年前
What is this guy smoking? He presents a false dichotomy of saving &quot;labor&quot; vs &quot;assets&quot;. Look, if assets depreciate, it affects balance sheets of everyone, including corporates, and induce a balance sheet recession which reduces reinvestment into the economy. Everyone&#x27;s fked then, too. It&#x27;s all connected.
ivarv大约 5 年前
Submission statement:<p><i>&quot;Richard Murphy lays out the case for whose interests need to be sacrificed for the economy to have any hope of surviving under the conditions being imposed on businesses to keep workers and customers safe. Unfortunately, his well-reasoned recommendation, that landlords, banks, and pensioners need to take hits to save jobs and businesses, is not likely to find support in official circles. But Murphy’s argument, in essence, is that these groups are toast under any scenario, and they can’t be allowed to weigh down the productive sectors of the economy.&quot;</i><p>(summary courtesy <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nakedcapitalism.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;05&#x2F;people-and-jobs-or-wealth-the-government-has-to-decide-which-to-prioritise-and-there-is-only-one-right-answer.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nakedcapitalism.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;05&#x2F;people-and-jobs-or-w...</a>)
claudeganon大约 5 年前
The idea that landlords should be bailed out in any fashion seems folly to the extreme and I’m glad to see it argued against here. Collecting rents from people without the capital to own housing, in addition to increases in land value, is about as textbook an example of parasitism as one could imagine. Let them all take a bath and keep people housed.
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