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OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

134 点作者 smacktoward大约 5 年前

15 条评论

econcon大约 5 年前
As I read some women in the article are making as much as a talented ivy league graduate who joins a tech company.<p>It seems amoral to prevent them from making money, why don&#x27;t we see it as a talent as we see &quot;tech jobs&quot; as talent?<p>Can it really do more damage than what tech companies specially one who pedal ads and sell customer data and give people anxiety?
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diffrinse大约 5 年前
The problem with modern society is everyone&#x27;s a master of plausible deniability. Our obsession with legalism over plain ol ethics in America has created a culture where everyone&#x27;s assessing what they can and cannot get away with and going from there, in so many ways and domains.<p>This is why enough comments in this thread are just circular arguments thinly veiling an opinion that does not want to fully shed itself into the light.<p>America has thus become such contradictory place that trust between random strangers is null and void, already a Hobbesian game of stalemate.<p>Progressives aren&#x27;t any better; they rely on implicit, unwritten rules just as much as any strictly heteronormative conservative and so struggle with ethical nuance just as much.<p>Until Americans stop trying to game each other for what they can get instead of exposing themselves to one another utterly whenever they have to confront real, indissoluble ethical problems that can&#x27;t be brute forced by partisanship.<p>And it&#x27;s precisely because America really has no culture that it falls on America to face up to this task more than any other country.<p>Edit: No really, go back and re-read Leviathan, Hobbes doesn&#x27;t say a state of nature is all-out violence, he specifically says <i>nothing</i> happens (&quot;no industry or culture&quot;); it&#x27;s a stalemate. Nobody makes a move, so <i>everybody</i> loses
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ausbah大约 5 年前
I am all for letting people do what they like with their bodies, but if people are trying to makes ends meet and they believe the only way of doing so is via selling pictures of their bodies - I think society has another massive moral failing on its hands<p>and this probably an unrefined opinion, but I feel like firing a worker for running a NSFW OnlyFans account (or similar) would, if not should, run agrounds for sexual harassment or unlawful termination. or at the very least be should be called out for being rooted in unwarranted social standards and expectations
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rland大约 5 年前
I watched this video recently about OnlyFans: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=djMojvschs0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=djMojvschs0</a><p>It&#x27;s more than just the content itself. &quot;Becoming a fan&quot; is a simulacra of a relationship, commodified. This already existed with escorts, of course, but never at this scale.<p>My personality type is probably closer to being a &quot;consumer&quot; than being a &quot;producer&quot; of content on OF. I don&#x27;t use the site. But if I did, my status as a consumer would totally preclude being in a romantic relationship. Gonna go out on a limb and guess that most consumers and producers are in a similar situation -- if they&#x27;re on OnlyFans, they&#x27;re not in a real relationship.<p>It&#x27;s only natural that taking genuine human connection, turning it financial, and then using the internet to turn it into a commodity and producing profit would extend to sex. I&#x27;m actually surprised it took so long.
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drummer大约 5 年前
Remember to read &quot;the manipulated man&quot; by esther vilar.
legostormtroopr大约 5 年前
More power to people selling if it works for them, I&#x27;m just concerned they aren&#x27;t thinking about their futures. As crass as people will say this is, selling your body is selling access to a depreciating asset. While they might be making good money now, eventually these girls will grow up. Slowly they&#x27;ll see subscribers dip, but only enough for them to think they can adjust their product.<p>But there will always be someone younger, or just newer, and what they are selling won&#x27;t be a &quot;hot commodity&quot; any more. At that point to either drop out broke, or creep towards more hardcore offerings.<p>Eventually they&#x27;ll be burned out of the system, they&#x27;ll have burned through their early career, likely with little to show for it, and with no real career skills or plan.
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oceanghost大约 5 年前
I find the whole thing narcissistic, shallow, and distasteful. HOWEVER, that is part of the cost of a free society (as much as we are). People are free to make mistakes.<p>My problem with this is how it&#x27;s marketed.<p>I happen to have found myself single earlier this year... and I would say 80% of the traffic on dating sites is these onlyfans&#x2F;snapchat folks. The rest of the split is outright scammers and the occasional lonely heart peppered in.<p>The dating sites have a symbiotic relationship with these folks-- they need someone to draw users&#x2F;payers in and this is the way to do it with the most plausible deniability.<p>Some dating sites are way more guilty than others, with a few being outright scams in my opinion (Hily is one that&#x27;s a scam).
rjpn大约 5 年前
It is surprising as well as depressing that someone can get enough money to buy a house from OnlyFans payout. Goes to say how many people spend money on that kind of stuff. Instagram models living rich lifestyle is different as they endorse products and advertising is involved. This is just people paying to watch someones naked photos.
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Igelau大约 5 年前
&gt; the farmer’s market of porn<p>Now that&#x27;s an elevator pitch.
rewoi大约 5 年前
Interesting I read yesterday that OnlyFans started banning for nudes and is refunding customers. Some models lost thousands of dollars.<p>Running porn site requires a lot of paperwork and is relatively risky.
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marpstar大约 5 年前
My opinion: Porn is the new drug. Our daughters are the dealers and our sons are the users. Sex addiction fueled by free internet porn has ruined countless lives.<p>At least OnlyFans is behind a paywall, keeping it out of view of children.
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generalpass大约 5 年前
This was among my first thoughts when the first unemployment report came out. We are sending our daughters to OnlyFans. Still not sure where our sons end up.
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seibelj大约 5 年前
Who would have guessed so many people on HN are against individual freedom? There is absolutely zero ethically or morally wrong with someone selling sex, or buying sex from someone else. Or maybe we should ban pop music stars from revealing too much skin in their music videos? Where do you draw the line between &quot;This is immoral!&quot; and &quot;Wow, what a successful person!&quot; Just ignore it if you don&#x27;t like it. No one puts a gun to your head to pay someone for sex - so don&#x27;t point your guns at them for doing so.
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mydongle大约 5 年前
As a guy, I&#x27;m cool with this kind of stuff. But what message does this send to girls who are not considered attractive enough or just don&#x27;t want to do this kind of work? The message is that all the study, work, and effort to work in a meaningful career is a freaking joke, when all it takes is to be born a certain way and make huge amounts of money selling your body.<p>On the other hand, we have a generation of young males who will be trapped in this vampiric system where their money and time are spent on girls who wouldn&#x27;t even look at them if they crossed paths on the street, instead of going out there and building real relationships.<p>I&#x27;m just generalizing of course, don&#x27;t think I&#x27;m saying this applies to everyone. But man, we are so fucked.
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troughway大约 5 年前
To people coming in to read these comments - are you surprised?<p>Me neither.
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