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PolyForm Noncompete Licenses

29 点作者 joeyespo大约 5 年前

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verdverm大约 5 年前
The real problem with the licenses is that they are not open source, but many users of them still seem to think they are doing open source.<p>The funny thing is that they are trying to protect themselves from Amazon and other competition before it usually exists, and that in reality, they are doing themselves more harm because the big co lawyers are starting to reject these unusual, project specific license. &quot;If it takes more than a few minutes to understand, then I tell the devs No&quot;<p>To all those would be users of the Faux Pas OSS licenses, why did you make it open source in the first place? If you want to protect your code, why no make it private? Why use one of these licenses?
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fenwick67大约 5 年前
Let&#x27;s say I work at Giphy and we publish a library with the Defensive license. Then the library is used by the folks at Twitter. Okay, Twitter isn&#x27;t competing with us and they send lots of traffic our way, our team is cool with that. Then Giphy is acquired by Facebook. Is Twitter in trouble?
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cycloptic大约 5 年前
As an open source developer, I wouldn&#x27;t contribute to any project that uses these licenses or trust any company that&#x27;s using them. They&#x27;re not classified as free software or open source for a reason: it&#x27;s crucial to be able to fork in the event that the company decides to become hostile. The ability for the other contributors to do this is what keeps them honest. With these licenses, that whole trust aspect gets thrown out.
verdverm大约 5 年前
Joseph Jacks has some interesting ideas for Commercial Open Source Software (COSS) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;coss.media" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;coss.media</a><p>Though he recently told me that he thinks all OSS should bootstrap and never take investment, which doesn&#x27;t exactly align with top COSS co spreadsheet he also maintains.
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mcint大约 5 年前
s&#x2F;complete&#x2F;compete&#x2F;<p>I appreciate attempts to standardize the law, and make it more accessible and cost-effective to rely on.<p>Hmmm, guess there are issues though
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vharuck大约 5 年前
Let&#x27;s say a repo on GutHub has the Perimeter license, and I clone it to a public repo. Would I be unable to include any personal changes on the clone I have? Because it&#x27;d be a substitute product that&#x27;s distributed via GitHub?
henryfjordan大约 5 年前
Are these enforceable in California? California does not like non-compete clauses.<p>See cal civ code section 16600: &quot;... every contract by which anyone is restrained from engaging in a lawful profession, trade, or business of any kind is to that extent void&quot;
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Communitivity大约 5 年前
I am not a lawyer, and none of this is legal advice, but these licenses seem SAF (Sketchy As...).<p>More precisely, using software written with these licenses would be something I would never do, either in an Open Source project or a commercial project.<p>Consider for example the &#x27;Patent Defense&#x27; section of the Polyform Defensive license. If I am reading this right then if you have a patent and use Polyform Defensive licensed software from Example,inc. to the point that stopping using the software is a major hardship, then Example, inc. can infringe on your patent and be safe because you won&#x27;t risk losing the right to use their software.<p>Or the &#x27;Sales of Business&#x27; section. Let&#x27;s say Example,inc. is building a blog hosting platform and Open Sources a library for an image carousel under Polyform Defensive. Exemple SA start using it for their Computer Based Training site. Later Example,inc. enters the CBT market. If I am reading this right then Exemple SA now has to either stop using the software, or leave the CBT market - and might not even have a choice about leaving the CBT market.<p>A lot of work has gone into making useful and effective Open Source licenses that benefit both sides when a company open sources their software (software user and the company making the software). A company has a range of protectiveness they can choose: Affero GPL, GPL v3, BSD, MIT, Apache, EPL are some well known ones [1]. Why do we need the PolyForm licenses, especially when they seem to me to be several steps back toward the dark ages of commercial licenses, and being so ambiguous you need a lawyer to evaluate it every case.<p>You also have the question of legality in every region. Aren&#x27;t noncompetes heavily restricted in California.<p>I also am of the mind that 98% of noncompetes and NDAs are hubris and unnecessary, other than to use as a collar to retain employees. Better to retain through incentivizing than threatening. And also, ideas are a dime a dozen..most people are not going to steal your idea as it&#x27;s the execution and the funding backing it that will make the difference.<p>Lastly, a key thing to not is that the Polyform Project itself says these are not Open Source licenses[2]:<p><pre><code> PolyForm is not… Open source or free software. There are plenty of existing open source licenses. PolyForm is not a substitute for them, but an alternative for those who want to license source code under limited rights. </code></pre> There are Open Source licenses out there that legal experts state will protect you, whatever your range of needs if you are willing to abide by the Open Source ideals[3]. Why not embrace the Open Source movement, instead of saying mired in the past?<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Comparison_of_free_and_open-source_software_licenses" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Comparison_of_free_and_open-so...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;polyformproject.org&#x2F;what-is-polyform&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;polyformproject.org&#x2F;what-is-polyform&#x2F;</a><p>[3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;opensource.org&#x2F;licenses&#x2F;category" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;opensource.org&#x2F;licenses&#x2F;category</a>
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