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Behind Irish outpouring of relief for Navajo

274 点作者 conorliv1将近 5 年前

13 条评论

aclimatt将近 5 年前
Since the article only very lightly touches on it and some may be understandably confused about the &quot;solidarity&quot; between the Irish and Native Americans, the &quot;Potato Famine&quot; was only so deadly in Ireland to the Irish due to years of colonial rule -- not because the only food in Ireland were rotten potatoes.<p>Ireland had plenty of food at the time. They even continued to export food to England. It&#x27;s just that due to systematic oppression, Irish natives couldn&#x27;t afford anything that weren&#x27;t (now blighted) potatoes.<p>That&#x27;s where the parallel comes from with the Native Americans.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Great_Famine_(Ireland)" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Great_Famine_(Ireland)</a>
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MarkMc将近 5 年前
There is a similar story described by Robert Cialdini in his classic book, <i>Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion</i> [1]:<p>&quot;In 1985 Ethiopia could justly lay claim to the greatest suffering and privation in the world. Its economy was in ruin. Its food supply had been ravaged by years of drought and internal war. Its inhabitants were dying by the thousands from disease and starvation. Under these circumstances, I would not have been surprised to learn of a five-thousand-dollar relief donation from Mexico to that wrenchingly needy country. I remember my chin hitting my chest, though, when a brief newspaper item I was reading insisted that the aid had gone in the opposite direction. Native officials of the Ethiopian Red Cross had decided to send the money to help the victims of that year’s earthquakes in Mexico City...Despite the enormous needs prevailing in Ethiopia, the money was being sent because Mexico had sent aid to Ethiopia in 1935, when it was invaded by Italy.&quot;<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.goodreads.com&#x2F;book&#x2F;show&#x2F;28815.Influence" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.goodreads.com&#x2F;book&#x2F;show&#x2F;28815.Influence</a>
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s_dev将近 5 年前
I read this -- very proud of the efforts of the Irish but proud also that they didn&#x27;t forget those small acts of kindness. Showing gratitude is important and I think this shows gratitude for the solidarity shown in the past.<p>We&#x27;re also aware &#x27;Choctaw&#x27; and &#x27;Hopi&#x27; and &#x27;Navajo&#x27; are all different tribes and Native Americans aren&#x27;t a monolithic group. It&#x27;s just hard if not nigh on impossible to give back to the exact people that helped us. It&#x27;s the sentiment that counts in this sense.
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inetsee将近 5 年前
When I see stories like this I wish there was some way on Hacker News that I could spend some of my karma points to give this story more than one up vote.
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nailer将近 5 年前
Having an Irish dad, there&#x27;s a common sense of solidarity between Irish people and other groups who are often seen as oppressed. My Dad and uncles etc. would identify with the Black Panthers, and the PLO, as and a kid (in Australia) I&#x27;d wonder why these groups that were so far away and so different were important, and they&#x27;d say something along the lines of &quot;because they&#x27;re us&quot; - like this is the most obvious thing that anyone should know.<p>There&#x27;s good and bad here (there&#x27;s a tendency to see the world as &#x27;oppressor&#x27; and &#x27;oppressed&#x27;), but it comes from good intentions.
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mywacaday将近 5 年前
In 2015 my local town erected a sculpture to commemorate the event. Maybe that&#x27;s why the story is fresh in Irish memory.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Kindred_Spirits_(sculpture)" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Kindred_Spirits_(sculpture)</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.atlasobscura.com&#x2F;places&#x2F;kindred-spirits-sculpture" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.atlasobscura.com&#x2F;places&#x2F;kindred-spirits-sculptur...</a>
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qwerty456127将近 5 年前
I&#x27;ve already read the story a number of times (incl. here IIRC) during the recent weeks so, despite it&#x27;s cool, heart-touching and inspiring, it&#x27;s nothing new.<p>What impressed me this time, however, is the quick read &#x2F; deep read switch articles on this website have. It&#x27;s the first time I see such and I bloody freakin wish every website had it!
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ConsiderCrying将近 5 年前
It&#x27;s always a bit sad to see people rely on the chance charity of others, even if, in most cases, these others come through. The Navajo people have been let down by the people ruling over their land (no, I don&#x27;t mean the Navajo leaders.)<p>But the Irish&#x2F;Choctaw friendship is one of my favorite uplifting stories if only because it&#x27;s about those who have little giving it away to people in a similar predicament. It&#x27;s still sad but there&#x27;s so much kindness in that gesture.<p>I think I remember a similar story where an Indian or Shri Lankan city sent some livestock to a starving European city, but can&#x27;t find anything at the moment.
1cvmask将近 5 年前
Hear is another similar story with a twist from English royalty:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.irishcentral.com&#x2F;roots&#x2F;history&#x2F;generous-turkish-aid-irish-great-hunger" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.irishcentral.com&#x2F;roots&#x2F;history&#x2F;generous-turkish-...</a>
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blendo将近 5 年前
I have great respect for the Navajo and Hopi people of Arizona and New Mexico.
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pwdisswordfish2将近 5 年前
<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=fn0QH-khhr8" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=fn0QH-khhr8</a>
youngNed将近 5 年前
As is the case in a lot of discussion that touches on Irish History, in this thread there are a lot of really bad takes - for anyone interested in a good, well balanced, summary delivered by experts in under an hour - i really recommend the BBC &#x27;In Our Time&#x27; podcast on this subject - as with all of these shows, its pretty dense with info and facts from a number of sources:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.co.uk&#x2F;programmes&#x2F;m0003rj1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.co.uk&#x2F;programmes&#x2F;m0003rj1</a>
edwardor将近 5 年前
There is an amazing podcast series — <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;irishhistorypodcast.ie&#x2F;category&#x2F;podcast&#x2F;the-great-famine&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;irishhistorypodcast.ie&#x2F;category&#x2F;podcast&#x2F;the-great-fa...</a> — about the Great Famine if anyone is interested in learning more.