Hacker Mods Old Calculator to Access the Internet, Casio Files DMCA Complaint

452 点作者 fraqed将近 5 年前

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robotmay将近 5 年前

This isn't the only bad PR tactic I've seen from Casio lately. There's a piano reviewer on YouTube who noticed a flaw in the action of a new digital piano they make, and their responses varied from claiming he was lying to _reportedly_ spamming his videos with negative comments. Here's the 3 relevant videos where he first raises the issue, responds to Casio, then just straight up dismantles the piano and proves it:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7xHgXFEJUE" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7xHgXFEJUE</a><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKAfScFK0QU" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKAfScFK0QU</a><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqNK3w-2C6I" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqNK3w-2C6I</a>

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souterrain将近 5 年前

The following changes should be made to DMCA:1. Forbid delegation of enforcement to third parties. If you’re the copyright holder, you or your actual attorney may be the only ones to file a complaint. The copyright holder is solely responsible for such DMCA complaints.2. Complaints found to be invalid shall result in reimbursement by the copyright holder an amount equal to three times the costs incurred to defend the complaint, including time, legal fees, etc., to the aggrieved party.3. Three strike rule: if a copyright holder commits a false complaint action three times for a particular work, that work’s copyright is immediately invalidated and shall revert to the public domain.

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tomxor将近 5 年前

> I am writing on behalf of CASIO [...] The code the repository contains is proprietary and not to be publicly published. The hosted content is a direct, literal copy of our client’s work. I hereby summon you to take expeditious action: to remove or to disable access to the infringing content immediately, but in any case no later than ten days as of today.The code is not even for the calculator, it's for a "esp8266-12E" which is an arduino-like board. This has more to do with the plastic case than electronics or code:If you watch the video of the modification to the calculator at the bottom of the article you can see the only thing the calculator board appears to share is a power source - this is essentially a duct tape mod that went to the effort of fitting a separate computer and display inside of the case. If you can find a fork (git links in the comments) you will also notice that it's all arduino code.Casio simply dislikes the mod because it adds a separate computer to their exam-approved calculator case, turning it into something only suited to formative assessment while being difficult to differentiate from the original. However the repo has pretty much nothing to do with their calculator other than the fact that it was once used on an arduino board that was glued inside of a casio calculator in a youtube video - IANAL but pretty sure DMCA has no ground - their statement certainly seems to be a lie based on the fact that the code is not for the Casio, then again they probably also have no legal grounds against people using their own plastic casio calculator cases for something that's not a casio circuit... so this is quite possibly a willful abuse of DMCA processes on Github to get it illegally removed.[EDIT]On closer inspection it should be possible to invalidate the complaint on the spot... the full complaint is included in the article, including a link to the supposed "original copyrighted work":<a href="https://support.casio.com/en/support/download.php?cid=004&pid=729" rel="nofollow">https://support.casio.com/en/support/download.php?cid=004&pi...</a>It contains some generic example formulas in a simple looking expression language which I expect runs on their calculators. Not exactly something you could set up a http connection with, and definitely not a "literal copy" of the arduino code in the other repo.

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elliekelly将近 5 年前

> Neutrino informs us that he has already filed a DMCA counternotice with Github to get his project back.I’m increasingly uncomfortable with the balance of knowledge/power/experience in the counter-notice process. The repo owner is at a huge disadvantage when going up against the experienced and expensive lawyers filing these claims. Even when the law is on the developer’s side it’s almost an unwinnable battle.

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jventura将近 5 年前

I,ve seen the video at the bottom and the guy uses at most the calculator plastic case to house a oled display and a ESP. How can Casio (or someone on their behalf) find any plausible argument to file any complaint at all?I guess if people had to pay at least one dollar to file a complaint like this, you’d have less.Also, why did github removed the repo before checking things out first?

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pbasista将近 5 年前

From what I was able to see on YouTube and read in the repository's clone, the author of the original repository did not use the calculator's electronics or software at all. They only slightly modified its hardware by removing the solar panel and then installed some completely independent electronics in there.Yet, REACT (also known as the Anti-Counterfeiting Network), which represents Casio, claims that:> The code the repository contains is proprietary and not to be publicly published. The hosted content is a direct, literal copy of our client’s work.I would be interested to know which of their products uses WiFi and connects to a Firebase database.

supernova87a将近 5 年前

I don't know about you, but I observe that when a company's legal filings outweigh its product innovations, its management is sleepwalking on autopilot, being caretaken by lawyers, and is soon to be fed to the private equity wolves.

skdd8将近 5 年前

What in the actual fuck! I laughed so hard at this video just to watch in disgust how the DCMA and it's lackey GH would take down a repo that has nothing to do with Casio other than the name perhaps. Where is the freedom to tinker? If I modify my Toyota Corolla to take a Ferrari engine would Ferrari or Toyota come to my house and take my car away?Fight for your right to repair:<a href="https://www.eff.org/issues/right-to-repair" rel="nofollow">https://www.eff.org/issues/right-to-repair</a><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npd_xDuNi9k" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npd_xDuNi9k</a>

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bubblethink将近 5 年前

The easy solution to all these source-code DMCA problems seems to be self-host your git repo in a sensible country. Why don't projects do that to begin with ? Every week some github drama makes it to the front page. github is not the same as git. If enough people host it elsewhere, maybe somebody in the US will wake up. There isn't any other solution to it.

dukoid将近 5 年前

What are the penalties for wrong DMCA complaints?

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anotheryou将近 5 年前

Have they even watched the vid?He doesn't touch the computing part of the computer, he just fits a micro controller with screen, battery and wifi in the case and removes the solar panel and a bit of plastic for that.Sadly that makes the whole project a bit less exciting, but still :)

JayOC84将近 5 年前

I think this is to keep the calculators in schools. Teachers may start freaking out if they think students could cheat using this hack.

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dylan604将近 5 年前

"This week REACT wrote to Github, "<snip> "CASIO may somehow feel it’s in the right here but it does seem just a little bit petty."More likely REACT reacted on their own as that's what their entire existence is about. This was probably yet again some lawyer working for the group that has no knowledge of coding, see's the trade name of a company they are representing, and took action.Of course, I'm just playing armchair QB and have no knowledge whatsoever either way. He said, EvilCorp said, He loses.

teh_klev将近 5 年前

The twitter account @CasioMaths seems to the be last remaining active Casio calculator twitter account (appears to be UK based) I can find. I've already tweeted them to point out the error of their ways. Perhaps others could follow suit, but obviously in a polite and civilised manner, let's not have an abusive pile-on.

daniel-thompson将近 5 年前

It's shitty behavior, for sure, but it's rational given what I assume to be their incentive: to stay in the good graces of the people who set calculator policy for standardized tests. The College Board has an explicit whitelist and general guidelines here: <a href="https://collegereadiness.collegeboard.org/sat/taking-the-test/calculator-policy" rel="nofollow">https://collegereadiness.collegeboard.org/sat/taking-the-tes...</a>> You are not allowed to use any of the following items as a calculator: ... Models that can access the Internet, have wireless, Bluetooth, cellular, audio/video recording and playing, camera, or any other smart phone type feature

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nomadluap将近 5 年前

Does anyone have a clone of the original repository?

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Aeolun将近 5 年前

Somewhere, someone in Casio is so done with life that they figured that this was a reasonable way to spend their time and company money...

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garfieldnate将近 5 年前

One product I absolutely loved from Casio was their Japanese electronic dictionaries. At some point they replaced their black and wide LCD screens with backlit full-color LCD screens and the hardware became much slower. I've been looking for resources on reverse engineering or jailbreaking the late 2000's models, but haven't been able to find much.

goatinaboat将近 5 年前

freedom-to-tinker’ proponents throwing their hands up in despair wondering why big corporations have nothing better to do.This is not about Casio really, this is about React who need to justify their existence to their sponsors. Casio probably wasn’t even aware this was happening at first.

miga将近 5 年前

It is concerning that big companies have such undue influence on industry and engineering of an individual who legally bought a product, and was not in any way stealing it.

rasz将近 5 年前

Wasnt aware Casio was running their calculators using ESP8266. That would be the only plausible reason for copyright claim ...

agumonkey将近 5 年前

Quite sad, company providing calc tools to learn .. most probably aiming at future tech heads.. bashes on guy who does tech.

29athrowaway将近 5 年前

I think in this case, the calculator circuitry remains the same. The only thing modified was the case.

djmips将近 5 年前

His big mistake was using the words "Hack Casio" in the name of his project. heheh.

metaphor将近 5 年前

WT actual F??From GitHub's policy on submitting a DMCA takedown notice[1] on what the complaint must contain:> (7) Include the following statement: "I have a good faith belief that use of the copyrighted materials described above on the infringing web pages is not authorized by the copyright owner, or its agent, or the law. I have taken fair use into consideration."> (8) Also include the following statement: "I swear, under penalty of perjury, that the information in this notification is accurate and that I am the copyright owner, or am authorized to act on behalf of the owner, of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed."The claimed "original content" (preloaded programs for a fx-FD10 Pro) cited in the takedown notice[2] isn't even remotely relevant to the physical host that the hack targets (a fx-991MS). After watching the 11 min video and without even looking at the repo contents, it's so obvious that REACT couldn't possibly have submitted this DMCA takedown notice "in good faith" given the standalone hack has absolutely nothing to do with the target host's firmware/software--or anything published on Casio's website--to begin with!So "under penalty of perjury", React is exploiting how GitHub passively handles these DMCA takedown notices...I mean seriously, an irrelevant download link that clearly wasn't reviewed by anything that constitutes human intelligence can nerf an entire repo?? Unfortunately, this has been the meta for as long as I can remember and this pragmatically non-existent qualifying bar is just 1 reason why I don't play on GitHub.But the part I find to be the most egregious that it appears no one is really talking about? To defend himself, this guy has to satisfy GitHub's counter notice policy[3], in particular:> (3) Provide your contact information. Include your email address, name, telephone number, and physical address.The policy doesn't even require explaining to GitHub why the takedown is bullshit; it's just to signal the other side that you're willing to defend the thing under scrutiny against further legal action. The guy already pulled the counter notice trigger, but without dedicated legal representation and/or the public media on your side, it's difficult for any 1 dood in the capacity of private citizen to expose personal identifiable information and embrace the threat of a legal harassment campaign by an organization of legal professionals. React knows they don't have anything, but if the victim doesn't have balls + legal counsel + disposable income, the gambit is that they really won't need anything either.[1] <a href="https://help.github.com/en/github/site-policy/guide-to-submitting-a-dmca-takedown-notice#your-complaint-must-" rel="nofollow">https://help.github.com/en/github/site-policy/guide-to-submi...</a>[2] <a href="https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2020/05/2020-05-20-Casio.md" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2020/05/2020-05-2...</a>[3] <a href="https://help.github.com/en/github/site-policy/guide-to-submitting-a-dmca-counter-notice#your-counter-notice-must" rel="nofollow">https://help.github.com/en/github/site-policy/guide-to-submi...</a>

MintelIE将近 5 年前

All the modern calculator companies are hostile to their user base. Their actual customers are the textbook companies, standardized test firms, and school districts, it seems.There is an exception, the SwissMicros people[1]. But that seems to be about it in this modern era. HP used to be excellent as their main market was engineers and scientists and other professionals. But the Prime is obviously made for the school calculator market.It seems that large companies have decided the school market is the only one which matters now, and compliance with standardized testing rules is more important than other considerations. That's probably why used HP calculators from the golden age cost as much or more than a new TI, Casio, or Prime.[1] <a href="https://www.swissmicros.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.swissmicros.com/</a>

foobar_将近 5 年前

Intellectual property is anti-competitive and monopolistic which is anti capitalistic. It started out as a reward system for authors and inventors. What we now have is an obscenity becauase we are rewarding corporations that neither produce nor invent anything. The legal loophole that a corporation is a person is false. Adam Smith did not have that in mind when he was extolling the virtues of capitalism. We need to force liability based capitalism without personhood and breakup all conglomerates.

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