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Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

1178 点作者 _fwu1将近 5 年前

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geza将近 5 年前
I definitely feel for the author - the Chrome Extension team has been growing increasingly developer-hostile recently. My own open-source extension HabitLab ( <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;habitlab.stanford.edu&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;habitlab.stanford.edu&#x2F;</a> ) that I&#x27;ve been maintaining for the past 3 years is going to be removed in 2 days (got a 14-day removal notice for permissions even though all permissions it requests are used and needed, and every update I try to submit is rejected by their system after about 3-4 days) and I feel utterly helpless. It&#x27;s only used by about 12,000 users so unlike PushBullet I probably don&#x27;t have the visibility to get a human to intervene, so will be going the way of Kozmos most likely.
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iforgotpassword将近 5 年前
I get it, Google loves to automate stuff to save money. Makes sense, I agree. But I&#x27;m seriously wondering if all the people in charge of automating such processes are those delusional ego-programmers who think they can solve anything with machine learning, aka &quot;AI&quot;. Really, I cannot understand that there aren&#x27;t basic safeguards in place like &quot;hey this extension got repeatedly flagged and when a human finally reviewed it we found it was a mistake each time, so maybe set a flag on this extension to double-check next time&quot;. Or maybe, have such incidents automatically bubble up to the team responsible for the automatic screening. But why do that if you&#x27;re a wunderkind programmer who never makes mistakes?<p>Sorry, this is the only explanation I have for this, I&#x27;ve worked with this kind of person twice. Once they got the first version of something running they are done, no further testing, no sanity checks, no asserts or logger.warn() for &quot;this can never happen&quot; branches.
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mcrittenden将近 5 年前
I maintain a paid Chrome extension (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;chrome.google.com&#x2F;webstore&#x2F;detail&#x2F;shortkeys-custom-keyboard&#x2F;logpjaacgmcbpdkdchjiaagddngobkck" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;chrome.google.com&#x2F;webstore&#x2F;detail&#x2F;shortkeys-custom-k...</a>) and I&#x27;ve had a very similar experience with the frustrating repeat automated shutdown emails, except that so far my extension hasn&#x27;t been actually shut down. I&#x27;m just waiting for the day that it happens at this point. I&#x27;m surprised it has not happened before now, since my extension requires a lot of permissions to do its job.<p>In my case, I make a nice little side income from that extension so it would be a noticeable income hit. But I&#x27;m not sure of anything I can really do to prevent it from being shut down if and when Google&#x27;s robots decide the time has come.
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tdeck将近 5 年前
&gt; Google (Robot): We&#x27;ll take your extension down<p>Me: Hey, this must be a mistake<p>&gt; Google (Robot): No mistake, review these policies, your extension violates one of them<p>Me: It does not violate any of them, this is a mistake!<p>&gt; Google (Finally human): Oh, sorry, a mistake.<p>Obviously someone just needs to create a robot that automatically replies to the takedown notices and disputes them, thus closing the loop!
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calpaterson将近 5 年前
I have a side-project that is partially a browser extension. I use a single codebase for both Firefox and Chrome.<p>Even with my trivial side-project and a grand total of two releases so far, Google ar itrarily rejected one release for being &quot;spammy&quot; when there was literally a 5 line diff between it and the previous release. Thankfully just finding the depreciated dashboard and uploading an icon (the &quot;new dashboard&quot; doesn&#x27;t have this feature yet apparently) got it through after resubmitting it.<p>It feels like they&#x27;ve set themselves as gatekeepers of Chrome extensions (Windows users can only install from the &quot;store&quot;) but they aren&#x27;t actually interested in doing the job even though you pay an admin fee for the privilege of developing a free extension for their browser.
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fiddlerwoaroof将近 5 年前
The worst outcome of the iPhone is the general move of programmers from people who write software for a platform the user fully controls to people who write software for a platform controlled by a company that the user borrows a device from.
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bartread将近 5 年前
Maybe they&#x27;re still angry with him about leftpad.&lt;&#x2F;joke&gt;<p>Yes, it really is the same guy: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;kodfabrik.com&#x2F;journal&#x2F;i-ve-just-liberated-my-modules" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;kodfabrik.com&#x2F;journal&#x2F;i-ve-just-liberated-my-modules</a>. And, joking aside it would be wise to bear in mind that we&#x27;re reading only one side of the story here. As with leftpad, there&#x27;s another side to this.<p>With leftpad he told Kik, &quot;fuck you&quot; (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@mproberts&#x2F;a-discussion-about-the-breaking-of-the-internet-3d4d2a83aa4d#.ld8o5zqz7" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@mproberts&#x2F;a-discussion-about-the-breakin...</a>), and then wrought global havoc on npm users. Now he&#x27;s claiming the Chrome Extension Team &quot;continuously troll developers&quot;, and is pulling down something he&#x27;s created... again.<p>I only have two data points, so the behaviour here is a coincidence rather than a pattern, but I will guarantee you whatever you think of Google there is more to this than meets the eye.<p>I&#x27;m not without sympathy for the author, but neither am I about to uncritically take his side.
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deadwing0将近 5 年前
Is it possible that Google writes code to automate the moderation (for lack of better word) of the extensions in the Chrome Store because they are trying to avoid paying hundreds of people to do it manually? I know it&#x27;s easy to say &quot;Google doesn&#x27;t care about you,&quot; and generally it as a company may not care, but they also are not in the business of putting us out of business.<p>It feels like to me that they have just become a sprawling mass of interconnected yet disjointed divisions but without any real customer service department that can handle the amount of requests or situations like in OP. I am not on their side in any way, but Occam&#x27;s razor and all, it just seems the most likely explanation to me is that they are just too cheap to pay people to handle the volume of customer issues they have? Or would it not be economically feasible? What do y&#x27;all think?<p>[Edited to divide into two paragraphs for slightly easier reading]
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hkyeti将近 5 年前
As someone who&#x27;s Google ad account was mysteriously suspended for no given reason (even before a single ad was run) and am now up to 4 days waiting with no reply nor phone number I can call, I hear you..
omnifischer将近 5 年前
It is disgusting that no one from media asks Sundar Pichai touch questions like:<p>1. Non human (AI) usage for termination google accounts. 2. No repeal process<p>At least some employee from Google here in hn must do things and understand mentality of other people.<p>It increasingly looks like - well... we employees live in bubble but if you are unlucky then you are screwed. Do not ask us?<p>What kind of programmers wrote such code that terminates account without human intervention? Please do not blame it on Project Managers.<p>You are human - so is some one that was affected by your code.<p>Amen
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dorkinspace将近 5 年前
It seems like trying to build a business on any Google property is simply a bad idea. Or, if you do, have an alternative ready for when Google shuts down the product or cancels your account.
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nyreed将近 5 年前
Do you remember when browser extensions could be installed from a developer&#x27;s own website and didn&#x27;t require any kind of dysfunctional &#x27;gatekeeping&#x27;?<p>I know there are benefits to having someone vet browser extensions, but it seems a shame that they remove the self-distribution option completely when their moderation is so ineffectual.
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Guzba将近 5 年前
There are people inside Google that must have thought this review and communication process was a Good Idea. It wouldn&#x27;t have gotten built otherwise.<p>Will these individuals continue to be putting Good Ideas into production indefinitely or is there some sort of immune response inside Google?<p>I have no interest in a scape goat or anything like that, I&#x27;m just curious if there&#x27;s a way to incorporate the real-world consequences of choices like this into who is empowered to make choices going forward.
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reidacdc将近 5 年前
I see these stories from time to time, and I can&#x27;t help but wonder if there&#x27;s an opportunity for some kind of third-party support for Google.<p>Like, if you were a former Googler or someone who&#x27;d been through their customer-support wringer, and you had some contacts, you could set yourself up as a consultant for small-scale Google account holders who run into this. Charge a fee for access to your higher-tier contacts, maybe even sell &quot;Google insurance&quot;, a group of small devs could pool some money to pay for access to Google support when the hammer randomly falls on one of them.<p>This idea brought to you by my experience with various government bureaucracies, which are nominally publicly accessible, but, due to under-staffing and high demand for services, are more productively approached through the right kind of lawyer.
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xg15将近 5 年前
Old and busted: Google unexpectedly cancelling their products.<p>New hotness: Google unexpectedly cancelling <i>other peoples&#x27;</i> products.
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leonardteo将近 5 年前
I feel you...<p>We had similar issues with the Google Play store for the ArtStation App (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;magazine.artstation.com&#x2F;2018&#x2F;12&#x2F;happened-artstation-android-app&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;magazine.artstation.com&#x2F;2018&#x2F;12&#x2F;happened-artstation-...</a>), it simply got taken down and appealing continually got rejected. It was only after the issue got picked up as the top story on Hacker News and other sites that exposed the dysfunctional nature of their moderation that finally Google subtly changed their policy so that if the content is primarily “artistic” it’s allowed, but the catch is that only they deem what is appropriate and not...<p>We recently updated our Chrome extension also and it just seems to me that not a whole lot of effort is going into the Chrome Web Store, at least on the developer side where you update the extensions.
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antjanus将近 5 年前
Wish I had known about this product. This seems like a really awesome bookmarking service -- better than most I&#x27;ve seen. :(<p>This is also so terribly common. I had a Twitter account get suspended for 2 months...with no explanation. I appealed it but it still took 2 months. What if that had been my main source of revenue? They restored the account without much explanation.<p>We really need _real_ people to make decisions like this. Oh it&#x27;s not scaleable? Then maybe it&#x27;s not a product you can sustain.
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Cymen将近 5 年前
Hi Azer! It&#x27;s been a while.<p>I had the same problem with a Chrome extension for my side project Defero (school information system). It uses InboxSDK to integrate the Defero address book with GMail. Unfortunately, it got flagged for security review and it kept getting rejected no matter what I changed. I ended up concluding my authentication mechanism and&#x2F;or my use of InboxSDK was causing problems so I&#x27;m going to try changing the authentication mechanism.<p>But working with the Google to try to get it fixed and finding the cryptic warnings they hide in various parts of the developer console has been extremely annoying. I don&#x27;t blame you for your decision.
mcintyre1994将近 5 年前
I have to wonder how PayPal are feeling about their $4 billion acquisition of Honey now, which requests permission to read&#x2F;write on all websites and exists solely as a browser extension. They&#x27;re on multiple browsers, but I doubt either Mozilla or Apple will be particularly interested to protect what&#x27;s presumably now a massive PayPal data mining operation.
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ianwalter将近 5 年前
It&#x27;s a shame that so many of the comments have to do with left-pad. Kozmos was a great piece of software and I will miss it even though I haven&#x27;t used it in a while. It came very close to how I personally think a bookmarking service should work, which is pretty incredible for something made by a single person. Seems like a lot of people have been complaining about the Chrome extension store lately. I wonder what&#x27;s going on behind the scenes there. Anyway, looking forward to your next project Azer.
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monadic2将近 5 年前
I imagine it must be painful to tie your agency to a large corporate entity that clearly doesn’t give a shit about you.
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vzaliva将近 5 年前
I had a small harmless extension which does not access ANY user information and completely client-side. I received cryptic takedown notice and was not able to convince them it is not in violation of their policies. They never specify what policy exactly you violate, just keep referring to the whole document. Finally I decided it is not worth it and took down my extension.
scottporad将近 5 年前
I’m sorry that you had that experience. Maybe enough up votes will get Google’s attention.
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cryptoquick将近 5 年前
I wonder if anyone is keeping track of just how many developers are completely writing off Google just because their support is so terrible, and their policies so absurdly draconian.<p>People give shit to Jeff Bezos all the time, but compared to Google, there is no comparison to the level of company-wide user hostility and blatant privacy violations with such little public accountability, as that of Google&#x27;s.
droitbutch将近 5 年前
Scrolling through the comments, many seem to think this was unintentional, mistake, or overzealous AI. However, the author said this has been ongoing for 2years:<p>&gt; &quot;Google&#x27;s Chrome Extension team has been giving me a complete nightmare since last two years.&quot;<p>What if the extension violated some policy that he either overlooked or is not publicly stated?
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VohuMana将近 5 年前
I keep seeing these things pop up on here and I am starting to get the sense that the Chrome team at Google feels it is too big to fail. They don&#x27;t seem to care about fixing their system, but once developers leave to your competitor you&#x27;re in trouble. Just look at Windows Phone, pretty solid OS had some nice features that Android and iOS didn&#x27;t but at the end of the day no developers really wanted to make apps for it so it died a slow death.<p>With the new Edge supporting Chrome Extensions, I wonder if some of these devs are going to move their extensions over to that or do like Kosmos and just move on to some other project that is outside the reach of Google.<p>All in all it is sad to see Kosmos go, I used it back in 2017 and really liked it. I didn&#x27;t make the jump to the paid version but it was a well put together extension and solved a problem I think many users have.
rusabd将近 5 年前
Eventually, somebody will write bots to deal with this robotic bureaucracy and it will be matter of how much licenses and CPU power you have to negotiate a better deal. Essentially, it will be like rich people nowadays solve issues between themselves using lawers.
js4ever将近 5 年前
This story explain perfectly why I will never create anything relying on Google tech or services again... Too many horrors story... And I have 2 projects killed by their dumb AI and without any possibility to talk to a human Google is Skynet!
carapace将近 5 年前
I&#x27;m keeping an eye on cookiengineer&#x27;s &quot;Stealth&quot; proxy ( <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;cookiengineer&#x2F;stealth" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;cookiengineer&#x2F;stealth</a> ). It reminds me of the old (and still kickin&#x27;) Proxomitron ( <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Proxomitron" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Proxomitron</a> )<p>If you MITM your own browser you can do whatever you want without an extension (that&#x27;s almost a hostage to browser makers.)
trashburger将近 5 年前
Another victim of the Chrome Extension AI. Seems like the PR move of last week was nothing beyond that, a PR move. I expect them to backpedal again like they did with Pushbullet, but it&#x27;s too late now.
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shripadk将近 5 年前
&lt;rant&gt;<p>I feel Google, Facebook and Twitter need to take a big step back and stop antagonizing paying users: be it developers or advertisers. A majority of the issues stem from horribly strict enforcement of policies. What these sites expect from us mere mortals is to do a tightrope walk every time we create and launch something. And some of these policies are actually ridiculous. I understand the fallout of Cambridge Analytica has caused all these sites to give more importance to policy enforcement but the solution to that problem does not lie in automating it through use of technology alone. Business and people&#x27;s livelihood depend on these policy enforcement. God forbid your business Ad account is shutdown for good because you used a word that causes some stupid algorithm somewhere trigger an automatic ban.<p>It has happened to me. And worst part is you have no recourse. I have spoken directly with Google Execs who were assigned to a client of mine for managing a big ad account. Even they were clueless as to why the system suspended the account. After a lot of digging around I realized that it was because I had used the same credit card in two different accounts. I mean really? Come on! I am lucky I had a Google Exec who was in contact with me because the client was high value. What would small businesses be going through if the same thing happened to them? I shudder to think.<p>All these sites need to relax with their enforcement of policies. Deploy humans for this. We already have a lot of unemployment due to this pandemic and this would be a great time to payback some of those profits by employing more support staff. AI is good but it is not good enough yet to have such levels of control.<p>&lt;&#x2F;rant&gt;
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Kaze404将近 5 年前
I don&#x27;t understand how we&#x27;ve normalized Googles behavior to the point where this doesn&#x27;t even shock me anymore. When I used Google Play Music a couple years ago there was a feature that was broken for YEARS according to the bug reports I could find, and in a classic Google move they shut the service down before ever fixing it.<p>That might sound like a non sequitur but it&#x27;s ridiculous to me how little Google cares about anyone (users or the people who make content for their platforms) yet we still use their products. These days I try to avoid them wherever possible, not only for a small satisfaction of boycotting the company, but also because if I grow to like one of their products it will just shut down eventually.<p>What can we do about this?
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LatteLazy将近 5 年前
Why are google unable to offer ongoing services? Anything that requires management is always a disaster for them (DCMA notices on YouTube, hell any part of YouTube for creators, Nest, now this). I’ve worked at small trading companies where if you’re not directly involved in the act of trading, you’re just a cost centre to be minimised. Is it that?
mikulabc将近 5 年前
Someone should collect all those HN posts and send them on LinkedIn to all google employees as a PM, there must be someone important that will review this or forward it directly to a department? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.linkedin.com&#x2F;search&#x2F;results&#x2F;people&#x2F;?facetCurrentCompany=%5B%221441%22%2C%22791962%22%2C%2216140%22%2C%2210440912%22%5D" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.linkedin.com&#x2F;search&#x2F;results&#x2F;people&#x2F;?facetCurrent...</a>
duncan_bayne将近 5 年前
I remember when the Free Software movement really started to make inroads into the corporate world, which in my circles was the late 90s &#x2F; early 2000s.<p>It was like a revelation.<p>No longer were we tied to inflexible, command-and-conquer style platforms. We could fix bugs ourselves, instead of waiting for years for vendors to <i>maybe</i> fix the bugs we diligently reported.<p>We could distribute our own libraries and packages in minutes, with licenses of our own choice. There was no corporate gatekeeper standing in the way. (But what of security, you ask? Look at Lenovo and Superfish ... that was a MITM attack <i>produced</i> by the supposed gatekeepers).<p>Now it seems things have come full circle, and a younger generation of developers is discovering, once again, that writing software for closed, proprietary systems is a mug&#x27;s game.<p>Only now, those platforms seem even <i>more</i> strongly entrenched, courtesy the mobile duopoly and web monopoly.
znpy将近 5 年前
I wonder if it would be possible to build a casa against Google and start a legal litigation on this matters.
m00dy将近 5 年前
This is same the guy who owns the leftpad package on npm :)
dade_将近 5 年前
Digital needs a human touch. Google never understood this, and I would never trust them with anything important. Too many nightmares with their robots. Generally, I don’t care, dumped Google and Chrome, but the Nest thermostat hurt.
dvfjsdhgfv将近 5 年前
The worst part of the so called modern Google experience for me is that somehow mediocrity seems to be accepted as good enough. Quality human work has been replaced by software that is far from perfect. The worst part: others try to emulate that, &quot;because Google is doing that.&quot; But Google is a Behemoth that can afford not caring. Moreover, since they know they can&#x27;t be search leaders forever, they really can&#x27;t afford not diversifying and not experimenting with all possible services, trying to see which one sticks and which could be monetized. So I expect it&#x27;s going to be much worse in the future.
bdcravens将近 5 年前
&gt; Imagine having the same conversation, and starting it over and over from scratch every a few weeks<p>Seems like after doing this 2 or 3 times, I&#x27;d be making plans for a pivot or change to my business model.
saltking112将近 5 年前
It makes me wonder when behaviors like this becomes an anti-trust issue.
tomaszs将近 5 年前
I like that the author called automated answer system of Google Chrome extensions what it is. And it is bullying indeed. It is yet another raport about misbehaviour of this company torwards developers. Why in earth we should accept corporation bullying developers when we set up policies in communities for everyone to feel safe? There is no place for double standards. I hope the author will support the free internet by providing services outside the closed ecosystem of Google
sneak将近 5 年前
This isn’t a Google issue. This is a platforms-that-can-enable-censorship issue.<p>Google is just an instance of the class. All of the instances of the class are subject to this problem. Fixing Google’s policies will not eliminate this danger.<p>Censorship platforms that do not permit the user an escape hatch (iOS App Store, I’m looking at you) are ultimately able to decide what we see, what we read, what we are allowed to think. They can disappear entire bodies of work without even a notification.<p>Do not use censorship platforms.
foobar_将近 5 年前
This seems like a cool service. There are few bookmark managers implementing full text search. Move to safari or firefox and notify the users ?
pictur将近 5 年前
I had the same things 3 years ago. The stupidest user experience I have seen is the process of publishing the google chrome extension.
WesolyKubeczek将近 5 年前
Keeps me wondering, can we still install extensions outside their store? Or did they plug the last escape hatch and fucked it all up?
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fouc将近 5 年前
There is a trend here, Safari 12 killed off extensions. Now Chrome is killing off extensions. And possibly Firefox too?
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spicyramen将近 5 年前
I guess the Product Manager(s) from Chrome extensions at this should reply with clarity of how they are dealing with this.
retpirato将近 5 年前
It wouldn&#x27;t be the first time developers where &quot;trolled&quot; with take down notices. The same thing just happened to pushbullet. Fortunately they were given notice &amp; resolved it &amp; will stay on the store. At least for the time being anyway. We&#x27;ll see if it happens again. Is this a really common problem?
ernsheong将近 5 年前
I replied to the latest version update rejection email (referring to policies) from the Chrome Web Store. They actually replied and my latest extension revision went through. Point is, you can actually reply... there is a channel (form) in the Web Store as well, but of course you can only hope to get a reply.
sergiogjr将近 5 年前
Now with MS Edge, wouldn&#x27;t it be an option just to move to its store and flip Google off? Just a thought.
vezycash将近 5 年前
Developers evangelized Android and Chrome in their early days - created the monsters. People making Chrome only sites are feeding the monster.<p>Instead of Kozmos shutting down, the best revenge would making a firefox extension and getting their users to switch.
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naderkhalil将近 5 年前
If google takes down an extension but it has loyal followers, they can still side load the extension, right?
brutal_chaos_将近 5 年前
roadbeats, why not port to Firefox? That browser&#x2F;company respect your privacy, which seems to matter a lot to you. I don&#x27;t have any personal experience, though I haven&#x27;t read any(maybe one, many years ago?) horrible situations like yours at Moz:&#x2F;&#x2F;a
exabrial将近 5 年前
If anybody at Google is wondering why they are about to face antitrust action... Here you go.
irrational将近 5 年前
Google excels at closing down projects. With all the recent stories I’ve been reading about problems with the extensions team, I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that Chrome is losing extensions. No extensions - no ad blockers - more money for Google.
Awelton将近 5 年前
Maybe someday everyone will realize that google isn&#x27;t a company that provides services to users, it&#x27;s a data theft company. They don&#x27;t really care about bugs or frustrations because they aren&#x27;t in the business of providing things to you. You are not their customer.<p>The vast majority of people have forgotten that they aren&#x27;t an email, webapp, cloud storage, or online translation provider. They are an advertising company. They use their products to steal your information. They aren&#x27;t meant to help the user, because the user is not their customer. I&#x27;m sure you will get a real human employee if you are interested in buying ads from them.<p>Contrary to popular belief there are many companies that provide software besides google. Use them if you want a provider that might care about your problems. &quot;It&#x27;s not exactly the same as google ____&quot; is not a valid excuse for not giving it an honest try.
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reustle将近 5 年前
Check out privacy friendly alternatives to Google products on <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nomoregoogle.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nomoregoogle.com&#x2F;</a>
nahtnam将近 5 年前
Honestly, I&#x27;d be willing to pay $50 a year or something if that means that the bots are less strict when reviewing my app (sort of like what Apple does)
doc_gunthrop将近 5 年前
One important thing that&#x27;s missing from the author&#x27;s story is the <i>why</i>. What is it that&#x27;s triggering the robotic take-down notices?
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devit将近 5 年前
Especially since it seems that this extension is for paid users, you can tell them to use Firefox instead (or use Chromium and sideload the extension).
caogecym将近 5 年前
Google should really look into this. Improve your developer support experience, that’s the right way to treat your ecosystem contributors.
greatgib将近 5 年前
Like with appstores, Big Co are taking too much power over our free will.<p>Let&#x27;s hope that antitrust agencies will finally investigate them on this subject!
ezoe将近 5 年前
Don&#x27;t relies on somebody else&#x27;s distribution platform as you sole way to distribute your software. They totally deserve it.
molszanski将近 5 年前
I think Google is shutting down chrome extensions
diebeforei485将近 5 年前
I wonder if increasing the store publish fee from $5 to something closer to $50 would enable better customer support.
sergiogjr将近 5 年前
Well, now with MS Edge, wouldn&#x27;t it be an option to move to its store and flip Google off? Just a thought.
tomohawk将近 5 年前
Another sad story of how a person&#x27;s passion is quashed by big-corp monopoly.<p>When you&#x27;re on the receiving end, the actions of Google are indistinguishable from those of traditional bureaucracies except that instead of training people to follow scripts, they have bots that take care of things automatically.<p>Unfortunately for us humans, Google&#x27;s model of automating the disregard seems sustainable and profitable.
cft将近 5 年前
I switched to Firefox because of Google&#x27;s draconian extension policy and don&#x27;t regret it
retpirato将近 5 年前
You could always switch to firefox. Hopefully they don&#x27;t have stupid algorithms like that.
LockAndLol将近 5 年前
Firefox isn&#x27;t an option?
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vzaliva将近 5 年前
Is Firefox any better in this respect? I am seriously considering switching.
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mritchie712将近 5 年前
Kozmos, can someone suggest an alternative &#x2F; replacement?
hmert将近 5 年前
Google never invest&#x2F;pay attention enough on support.
themarkers将近 5 年前
It’s really stop me to make a extension business.
annadane将近 5 年前
Hi there Google employees that occasionally come here to comment!<p>THIS IS WHAT YOUR COMPANY DOES.<p>This among MANY other reasons is why people are pissed off with you.<p>When are you going to fix your toxic corporate culture?
softbankhater将近 5 年前
I hope Google will go bankrupt
baryphonic将近 5 年前
I have a theory about Google: They&#x27;re using AI to handle moderation (among other tasks) and it&#x27;s sort of effective but fails in a lot of frustrating cases, but they cannot admit that the lack of explainability is a serious flaw in their model or that they&#x27;d actually need to have humans in the loop to filter out the garbage experiences. Instead, they use humans but treat them almost like bots (probably easier to build more training datasets that way) and put up a hermetically sealed firewall between these moderators and the public.<p>Google briefly disabled my Google account last year, and it spooked me. I had created a &quot;brand account&quot; to use with YouTube, and for some reason the new account was flagged for suspension within the first day. I was annoyed, but it didn&#x27;t bother me too much, and I submitted my appeal (aside: I always feel wonderful having no clue what I&#x27;m appealing - I&#x27;m pretty sure even the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany would have given me the dignity of knowing what I&#x27;d been convicted of before the trial + execution&#x2F;Gulag). Two days later, I woke up to two emails from Google: the first indicating that my main Google account - the one where I have my email, several domain names and YouTube TV - had been suspended; the second indicating that the team reviewed my appeal and had found I hadn&#x27;t violated any policies and my account had been reinstated, but that I&#x27;d need to login soon. I logged in posthaste and found that my brand account was still disabled, but at least I could read and backup my email. (At the time I also happened to be in salary negotiations with my then-client and now employer. Really wonderful timing.)<p>I tried to submit another appeal on the brand account suspension, explaining that I&#x27;d received a reinstatement email referencing the original ticket number, and that all their team had done was erroneously disable and reenable my main account. This time, I got a response saying that I already had an appeal pending so I&#x27;d need to wait for it to be resolved. If I really cared that much, I could have tried again to explain again that actually it was their mistake, yada yada, but it wasn&#x27;t worth it. I didn&#x27;t want my account to be suspended again with very little recourse other than trying to use my network to get something done internally. Like with a corrupt cop, the prudent strategy was to just walk away and avoid conversation.<p>I&#x27;ve since stopped using Chrome, and I find that I prefer DuckDuckGo to Google (DDG feels like Google Search used to before $GOOG started blindly trusting deep learning to solve everything). I have hardened my resolve against ever touching an Android device, and I use an adblocker zealously. I haven&#x27;t fully moved my mail or DNS stuff away, but I am much more cautious. I didn&#x27;t realize in 2004 when I signed up for Gmail that I&#x27;d be entrusting my life&#x27;s records to an organization that makes the DMV look like an expert at efficiency and customer support.<p>I&#x27;d hope that OP and the various other developers here could maybe band together and maybe consult a lawyer. I have a feeling that given the legal realities of discrimination law and the like, Google&#x27;s policies and enforcement procedures are bound to be in violation, especially considering the law in its home state. Google&#x27;s behavior is not merely evil in these cases, but evil and incompetent.
wolfgke将近 5 年前
Next time on HN:<p>Postmortem and lesson learned: Don&#x27;t make yourself dependent on BIG_COMPANY when building a product
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aboringusername将近 5 年前
One thing I&#x27;ve noticed is that there are a lot of automated decision making going on. In [1], the ICO offers guidance around what the GDPR says in regards to this subject.<p>What I don&#x27;t understand is why the GDPR doesn&#x27;t enforce the following:<p>1: Clear and concise information about the action being taken, and clear identification this was done using automation and did not involve any human oversight.<p>2: A process the user can invoke to request human intervention, and a confirmation email that a human will review the decision that was made within 30 days<p>3: Public statistics and transparency - any decision that was made that did not involve a human must be published, with stats on % of decisions made, number of cases flagged to human reviewers, and the success&#x2F;failure rates (for example, number of cases resulting in an overturned AI decision by a human).<p>This could also be beneficial in other sectors too, like automated credit decisions and insurance policies, to publish statistics and data to afford transparency and identify possible biases. It should also be a requirement in law to preserve any code or algorithms should they need to be audited, including an AI system to be preserved &quot;in time&quot;, so that the 2017 version can be audited in 2020 if an investigation is launched for example.<p>Right now, it&#x27;s a complete free for all, too many edge cases and ways to game the system if you can figure its loopholes, and no requirement in law to provide a fair basis for users to appeal to a human without causing a PR shitstorm.<p>This early adoption of AI is quite bad, and I suspect we&#x27;ll see such developments in the long term future as it matures.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ico.org.uk&#x2F;for-organisations&#x2F;guide-to-data-protection&#x2F;guide-to-the-general-data-protection-regulation-gdpr&#x2F;automated-decision-making-and-profiling&#x2F;what-does-the-gdpr-say-about-automated-decision-making-and-profiling&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ico.org.uk&#x2F;for-organisations&#x2F;guide-to-data-protectio...</a>
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abbadadda将近 5 年前
STOP BUILDING FOR CHROME. THEY WILL DELETE YOU. THEY WILL INVALIDATE YOU. OR THEY WILL COPY YOU.
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iJohnDoe将近 5 年前
Everyone should realize by now there are no bots at Google. There are only Google engineers and outsourced workers behind every single “bot”, figuratively and literally.<p>Every nightmare story about accounts being disabled by a bot, or Adsense payouts being canceled, or apps taken out of the App Store, or extensions being shutdown, all done by Google engineers or outsourced workers.<p>These Google people are doing it because they can and because they are jealous of others’ success. They are also doing it because Google has lost their way in the last few years and they are bored, among other reasons.<p>They also continually screw with web site search results to harm certain sites, individuals, and companies for much the same reasons as mentioned above.<p>Trust me when I tell you that there are no bots behind these final decisions. It’s being done by Google engineers and their outsourced workers.