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Rediscovering the Small Web

472 点作者 livatlantis将近 5 年前

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kickscondor将近 5 年前
If you&#x27;re interested in recent innovations on this front: (rather than just retreading the same Web as before)<p>* Beaker (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;beakerbrowser.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;beakerbrowser.com</a>) the peer-to-peer browser just released their beta release - and it has some exciting features. Particularly the built-in editor, meaning you can edit, serve and read your pages all from the browser. (Blogging in Beaker is as simple as visiting: hyper:&#x2F;&#x2F;a8e9bd0f4df60ed5246a1b1f53d51a1feaeb1315266f769ac218436f12fda830&#x2F;. And the posts are stored locally.)<p>* <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;special.fish&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;special.fish&#x2F;</a> This completely low-tech social network has taken off. The innovation here is that it&#x27;s all just focused on profile pages - not feeds of random posts.<p>* There&#x27;s a growing subculture of public Tiddlywikis (philosopher.life, sphygm.us, etc) - rather than focusing on protocols and APIs, they are much more focused on how to organize and style personal hypertext.<p>* As for RSS, well, as HN custom insists, I am also commenting to plug my own fraidyc.at. See, you knew it was here.<p>* On a related note, I&#x27;ve also been working on an RSS&#x2F;Atom extension to handle ephemeral posts: live streams, &quot;stories&quot;, pinned posts, etc. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;kickscondor&#x2F;fraidycat&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;RSS-Atom-Extensions" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;kickscondor&#x2F;fraidycat&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;RSS-Atom-Exten...</a><p>* There&#x27;s also a forum on tiny personal link directories that&#x27;s been forming at <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forum.indieseek.xyz" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forum.indieseek.xyz</a>. The idea here is to use Yahoo! or DMOZ style link directories at a smaller scale, to catalog corners of the Web. (Note that this whole comment itself is a kind of small &#x27;directory&#x27;. Rather than an algorithm stepping in to show you &#x27;related&#x27; stuff, I have.)
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asaibx将近 5 年前
My favourite portal for discovering sites like this is something I discovered just recently here on HN: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wiby.me&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wiby.me&#x2F;</a><p>It never fails to amaze me how much amazing stuff is out there online, hidden by a thick layer of top search results, and even more than that, the sheer amount of individual and collective effort that has been put into each of these sites. Someone mentioned the word &quot;niche&quot; and there is certainly some weirdly (or wonderfully) specific content you will find in the Wiby.me index. Lots of sites that haven&#x27;t been updated since 1998, but still have an enormous and encyclopedic list of everything related to some topic (like the characteristics of different types of tomatoes, or how to build a motorcycle from spare parts or whatever). Some of it may be a little out of date, but a lot of it has been submitted for indexing precisely because of its timelessness or continued usefulness.<p>Whenever I feel hopeless about the current state of the web, I find this is the perfect antidote!
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stavros将近 5 年前
I&#x27;ve been thinking about this for ages, and I want my own contribution to this to be a simple webring service.<p>If you&#x27;re unfamiliar with the concept, a webring was a simple circular linked list. You had a link on your knitting-themed site to the &quot;next knitting-themed site&quot;, that site had a link to the next one, etc.<p>To join the ring, you just emailed someone and said &quot;hey, I, too, have a knitting-themed site, can you add me to your webring?&quot;, they looked at your site, and changed their link to your site, you added the link they previously had, and the ring continued.<p>I want to build something simple that&#x27;ll serve a small widget with previous&#x2F;next&#x2F;random site buttons, it&#x27;ll work like the webrings of old regarding the curation aspect, so to get added you&#x27;ll need to be referred to by someone.<p>Would you use something like that? You&#x27;d basically just drop a bit of HTML on your page and it wouldn&#x27;t load heavy JS&#x2F;analytics&#x2F;crap, just whatever was necessary to paint a few links.
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chris_f将近 5 年前
When I picture it in my head I think of the early web as more of a library. Over time it has transitioned into a shopping mall.<p>If I continue with this thought exercise, a lot of the big indoor shopping malls around me have been knocked down and replaced with standalone outdoor stores (walled gardens?).<p>I&#x27;m not sure where things are going next.
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zargon将近 5 年前
Somewhat related is <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;millionshort.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;millionshort.com&#x2F;</a><p>It&#x27;s a search engine that removes the top million domains from your search results (or top 100,000 or 10,000, etc). I find it useful sometimes to discover things on more obscure sites.
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fossuser将近 5 年前
This is a great post and makes me miss this type of content.<p>I created a subreddit recently to help with the discovery problem and posted it on HN earlier this week.<p>Show HN: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=23287286" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=23287286</a><p>Subreddit: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;hnblogs&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;hnblogs&#x2F;</a><p>It’s been going well so far, only a small solution to a big problem, but it’s been fun to discover a lot of interesting blogs from people in this community.<p>If you missed the initial post feel free to join and add yours too.
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pcmaffey将近 5 年前
The word is <i>niche</i>.<p>There are 2 major factors that will power a resurgence, that could use better tools:<p>1. Discoverability - self-reinforcing webrings, blogrolls, directories, ad free-search etc.<p>2. Creation - next-gen Dreamweaver. A low-code site creator app that exports a static website as a folder of readable CSS&#x2F;HTML that people can tinker with by hand (and learn), instead of being locked into one of these cloud WYSIWYG site generators. Hosting is solved. No need to tie the one to the other...
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the_af将近 5 年前
This is a great article, the kind of stuff I find interesting on HN.<p>Some of the &quot;old school&quot; web style clashes with my aesthetic sensibilities these days -- a lot of words to say I find it somewhat ugly! -- but I miss its hobbyist, non-commercial aspect. A lot of hobby style content I find interesting has moved to YouTube or Facebook these days, and everyone who&#x27;s been reading HN is aware of the lack of control authors have over those platforms...<p>I found myself nodding in agreement to a lot of what the author was saying.<p>I don&#x27;t miss the &quot;geocities look&quot; though!
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x3blah将近 5 年前
&quot;The Commercial Web (of Marketing)<p>There has always been a place for commerce and marketing on the web.&quot;<p>Not really true as I remember it. The web opened up to the public in 1993. There was no commerce and marketing in the beginning. Even by 1996 while commerce and marketing may have existed, e.g., Amazon founded in 1995, its place was in the background. As I rememember the early web, the foreground, the &quot;starting point&quot; or &quot;portal&quot;, was something like Yahoo! You had to pick a topic (direction) that you wanted to go in. For example, if you were after music, you might end up browsing the Internet Underground Music Archive. The &quot;front page&quot; of the portal was predominantly non-commercial, mostly generic headings for topics. If you wanted to search out something commercial, no doubt you could but the initial starting point was <i>intellectual curiosity</i>. This is IMO what has been lost over time with regard to web use: intellectual curiosity and the ability to actually satisfy it. (A fun tangent here is the collections of inane queries that people type into Google. These are simultaneously hilarious and disturbing.)<p>As an experiment have a look at the Yahoo! page today. It is full of low quality mainstream &quot;news&quot;. There is zero attention to intellectual curiosity. Nothing to see here, folks, but here is the latest news. For part 2 of the experiment, run a Google search for the term &quot;music&quot;. The results are dominated by YouTube. Every result is directly or indirectly commercial (either selling something or conducting surveillance and serving ads), except one: Wikipedia. The chances of someone new to the web not following a link to YouTube or some other Google-controlled domain would seem almost nil.<p>The &quot;onboarding&quot; process for new web users is very different today than it was in the early 1990&#x27;s. Perhaps it is still possible to approach the web with a sense of awe and wonder, pondering &quot;What is out there?&quot; However a new web user is scant likely to end up on a non-commercial website besides Wikipedia. What is out there? Surveillance, ads and an endless supply of soon-to-be-obsolete Javascript du jour.
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lxe将近 5 年前
I just got into ham radio. The websites related to the hobby are basically what the web was like before everything coalesced around search and social networks.
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ferzul将近 5 年前
there&#x27;s also pubnix (public unix-like servers), gopher, and a new protocol called gemini (which adds simple links and viewer-owned formatting to to gopher). i think there&#x27;s certainly something to the idea behind more restrictions, with just enough rather than plenty.<p>i almost want to give myself nothing but wikipedia, api docs, and “small web” and pubnix. i&#x27;m not sure that i can give up hn or its ilk (but the ratio of interesting content to poor content is terrible)
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entha_saava将近 5 年前
I used Opera mini on a J2ME phone on a 2G GPRS connection in Rural India (when studying in High school). The average speed was 5-10 KiB&#x2F;s.<p>Opera Mini is one awesome browser for such connections. Average page sizes were around __20 KiB__ (They use some compression proxy). No Javascript was loaded. (Simple JS tasks were delegated to server side. I guess with some optimizations they could save on those full page reloads, but maybe it was computationally expensive for those phones).<p>There was a vibrant ecosystem for those phones. Till this day, those websites that host pirated music from Indian movies work with simplest of WWW browsers.<p>That&#x27;s nostalgia. I remember a Modded version of opera mini which had tonnes of other features that worked on those phones with 4-8 MiB of memory (I don&#x27;t know exact specs though, they were not mentioned for those phones).<p>Even today, with my paranoid no-js no-web-fonts browsing (UBlock origin), there are parts of web that are efficient. Hacker news or i.reddit.com, for example.
jamesjyu将近 5 年前
J.K. Rowling is releasing a new novel chapter by chapter called &quot;The Ickabog&quot; on a website [1]. I went there, fully expecting some over-engineered and productized site, and was pleasantly surprised that it&#x27;s a very clean, static site: webmobile optimized, light svg graphics, clean markup.<p>No bullshit, just focused on the text and reading.<p>Hoping that more authors take this route when releasing stuff for the web.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theickabog.com&#x2F;home&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theickabog.com&#x2F;home&#x2F;</a>
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lukehack将近 5 年前
Not to be too spammy, but discovery of such sites is why I&#x27;m making Feldot, a social domain aggregation site. There are so many sites available out there like this to browse, but we never see them when using existing search engines.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;feldot.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;feldot.com</a>
gregoire将近 5 年前
Related: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;tilde.club&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;tilde.club&#x2F;</a><p>&gt; tilde.club is not a social network it is one tiny totally standard unix computer that people respectfully use together in their shared quest to build awesome web pages<p>And the story behind it: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;message&#x2F;tilde-club-i-had-a-couple-drinks-and-woke-up-with-1-000-nerds-a8904f0a2ebf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;message&#x2F;tilde-club-i-had-a-couple-drinks-...</a>
bovermyer将近 5 年前
My own website is starting to &quot;revert&quot; to this concept. A few years ago, it was primarily an about page and a resume. Now it has a blog, a links page, and a &quot;knowledge base&quot; that&#x27;s mostly just notes for myself.<p>I&#x27;m too burnt out on web &quot;best practices&quot; to care about that for my personal sites anymore.<p>If you&#x27;re curious: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;benovermyer.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;benovermyer.com</a>
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matheusmoreira将近 5 年前
Related: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;contemporary-home-computing.org&#x2F;RUE&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;contemporary-home-computing.org&#x2F;RUE&#x2F;</a><p>&gt; It isn’t a particularly sophisticated way to show emotions or manifest an attitude, but still so much more interesting and expressive than what is available now:<p>&gt; First of all, because it is an expression of a dislike, when today there is only an opportunity to like.<p>&gt; Second, the statement lays outside of any scale or dualism: the dislike is not the opposite of a like.<p>&gt; Third: it is not a button or function, it works only in combination with another graphic or word. Such a graphic needed to be made or found and collected, then placed in the right context on the page—all done manually.<p>&gt; I am mainly interested in early web amateurs because I strongly believe that the web in that state was the culmination of the Digital Revolution.
z3t4将近 5 年前
I like this article, and I also like hand typing HTML and CSS. But coding is not for everyone. What we need is a better Wordpress, so ordinary people can publish their own website. It has to look good, perform well and be secure, but most importantly publishing content should be quick and easy.
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pea将近 5 年前
I had this the other day when I was reading about the origin of the word &#x27;bear&#x27;. I found this page: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;charlierussellbears.com&#x2F;LinguisticArchaeology.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;charlierussellbears.com&#x2F;LinguisticArchaeology.html</a><p>This is anecdotal, and I&#x27;m not making a &quot;then vs. now&quot; argument - but there was something about the exchange that I found reminicent of this &#x27;old web&#x27;, and totally devoid from the way people communicate nowadays. I can&#x27;t put my finger on it - but on what social platform where would this exchange live now?
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totalizator将近 5 年前
I would love to see some kind of a proxy to parse modern websites so they can be viewed via 56K modem on a 386&#x2F;486 era computers. Any ideas? Some Squid Cache wizardry maybe?
divbzero将近 5 年前
I like the use of human navigation and curation in discovering the <i>small web</i>. It feels more organic, more transparent, and less prone to manipulation than AI driven search engines (Google) or aggregators (Facebook).
ekez将近 5 年前
The author makes a distinction between the &quot;commercial web&quot; and &quot;small web&quot; but I can&#x27;t help but wonder if some overlap is possible.<p>I&#x27;ve recently been tasked with building a website for a small organic food distributor in Oregon. I don&#x27;t think the traditional image heavy &quot;commercial web&quot; fits well with their company culture and image but am struggling to find examples of &quot;small web&quot; commercial websites to show them as examples of a different way.<p>It would be nice to see another post discussing how we might bring the small web to the commercial one.
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wickerman将近 5 年前
I&#x27;ve been actually posting in a few telnet BBS, as well as some SSH forums as of late. I love the small web. I love the freedom of anonymity. I grew up in the 2000s and also got into web design through notepad and hand written HTML. I do have a squarespace website but I&#x27;m thinking of just going to neocities and start over with some plain HTML one.
autorun将近 5 年前
I have friends who ask me to design theirs websites because I&#x27;m a web developer, and it&#x27;s not their fault, but what&#x27;s explained here. I wish there were more tools on the same page as Frontpage&#x2F;Dreamweaver, so anyone could make their own website, and publish it with a single click.
exabrial将近 5 年前
What about we make a tor, but limited to dial-up speed and no protocols invented after 2000 are allowed?
jll29将近 5 年前
altavista.com now redirects to Verizon (Yahoo!).<p>Is there a Web search engine that only indexes non-commercial content?
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fudged71将近 5 年前
Digital Gardens
treelovinhippie将近 5 年前
These folks have a brilliant philosophy on small tech: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;small-tech.org" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;small-tech.org</a>