DuckDuckGo, Google, and Android choice screens

390 点作者 x32n23nr将近 5 年前

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skrebbel将近 5 年前

Does anyone here understand how it is that Bing is powering DDG?Does DDG just generate lots of Bing searches and scrape the result? If so, why wouldn't MS block them?Or did they strike some sort of deal? If so, how can that be in Bing's interest? They're just creating a Bing competitor, right? Given that Bing reasonably wants to be the #2 search engine, supporting a formidable competitor striving for the same spot doesn't sound like a winning strategy for Bing. Right?What am I missing? :-)

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benbristow将近 5 年前

DuckDuckGo is good, I've used it for a few months at a time in the past.Always end up switching back to Google because of local results (I live in the UK, DDG's results are very US-centric even when local results are turned on). Maybe it's gotten better recently. I've seen lots of billboards for DuckDuckGo recently around my hometown in Paisley, Scotland; not a very techie place so they're clearly trying to gain a reach!I've been using Bing for the past few months and been quite happy with it, only switching to use Google for Maps results and the odd very niche query.The bonus of Bing is that it pays you in supermarket shopping vouchers where Google doesn't. Sold!

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bla3将近 5 年前

I like DDG, but this is strange rhetoric. DDG is as much for-profit as Google. It's not *fighting back", it's trying to make a profit by trying to position itself in a way that's different from Google and in a way that it's hoping is compelling. So far, it's mostly failing at that and only serves a niche population. A growing one, though.

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leephillips将近 5 年前

“we expect that advertising funded search engines will be inherently biased towards the advertisers and away from the needs of the consumers.”-- Sergey Brin and Larry Page:<a href="http://www.zdnet.com/article/google-advertising-and-search-engine-bias/" rel="nofollow">http://www.zdnet.com/article/google-advertising-and-search-e...</a>

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dageshi将近 5 年前

Google got rich finding the information you wanted.

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Semaphor将近 5 年前

It’s funny. I’m currently having some hardware problems, figuring out what the problem is, I reinstalled windows. A lot. And every time FF defaulted to google (because apparently Search Engines are not synced). And holy hell. Google Germany results are utterly unusable. For anything I searched that had an original download site, google gives me some scammy German site that either relinks the original site after several (ad-riddled) clicks or even worse, has their own installer, presumably bundling the original with adware.I always read here about people complaining about how bad DDG’s localized results are. Considering they usually talk about switching back to google, I can’t comprehend that.

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chrisco255将近 5 年前

I've been using DDG for a year now and don't miss Google. I feel like I often get worse results on Google as I have to sift through more ads and click bait.The only thing I worry about, is if DDG gets too big, what stops them from becoming Google-like?

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whisps将近 5 年前

I've used DDG as my default search for both desktop and mobile for about a year now. It's good enough in a lot of cases, though I still find myself using Google for a lot of local searches and current events-related searches.

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mohan85将近 5 年前

I am not against the need for data privacy, protection, etc., but got this question when looking at this.How much people got rich from Google - by quickly accessing the relevant blogs, articles or information, finding answers to the questions, code snippets and so on?

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surround将近 5 年前

I wish that DuckDuckGo would focus more on their search engine. DuckDuckHack was responsible for instant answers, but they discontinued it in favor of developing their browser extension.<a href="https://duckduckhack.com/" rel="nofollow">https://duckduckhack.com/</a>Their browser extension sucks. It’s just a bunch of different privacy extensions (Privacy Badger, HTTPS Everywhere, TOSDR) which have been watered down and mashed together. And it automatically changes your default search engine to DDG, which was the real intent for developing the extension all along.Instant answers are important. Ever search for the definition of a word (<a href="https://duckduckgo.com/?q=assonance" rel="nofollow">https://duckduckgo.com/?q=assonance</a>), or want to set a timer (<a href="https://duckduckgo.com/?q=timer" rel="nofollow">https://duckduckgo.com/?q=timer</a>)? These were made possible by DuckDuckHack. Now they are stuck; they cannot be changed, and no new ones can be created.

dang将近 5 年前

I couldn't find any representative phrase [1] in the article that would make a better (less baity, more accurate and neutral) title, so have taken a crack at making something up. If someone has a better suggestion we can change it again.[1] <a href="https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20representative%20title&sort=byDate&type=comment" rel="nofollow">https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...</a>

bko将近 5 年前

I love ddg and use it as my primary search engine, resorting to !g for google queries about 25% of the time. If anyone is curious about how ddg results compare to that of google, check out a site I made Search Compare [0] that shows the results of each side by side. Note that it looks at the html version of ddg results. One downside of ddg is that they do a worse job at filtering our conspiracy theories[0] search-compare.netlify.app

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wdn将近 5 年前

I used DDG until I've searched for "PDF watermark remover free" and the top result is watermarkremoveronline.com, a scam site. Probably with malware as well.I did the same search on Bing and Google and the scam site is not part of the search result.DDG emphasizes on privacy. Yet, allow scamming site returned as top result.

mrgreenfur将近 5 年前

I like DDG as much as the next person, but does anyone else think that Mozilla should offer a privacy-friendly search engine? I know it's a big part of their revenue model, but it seems like a core piece of internet infrastructure that should not be so open to monetization.

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memexy将近 5 年前

> The sheet of paper led to the creation of I’ve Got a Fang, a crowd-sourced site where people could contribute authoritative URLs on particular subjects. Weinberg, who lives in Philadelphia, believed the knowledge from people’s heads could be better than Google’s algorithms.Google initially was bootstrapped by crawling such curated lists. Now that people are relying on search instead of curating their own lists search quality is starting to decline. So I'm going to make a prediction. Federated knowledge bases with curated links are going to make a comeback because only humans can create semantically meaningful content for other humans.

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mattlondon将近 5 年前

Hopefully this will allow me to change the hard-coded Google search box on pixel home screens!I have the DDG search widget, but I cannot remove the Google search box that appears to be hard-coded to the home screen with no way to remove it or change the search provider (... unless someone knows otherwise?) So now I have two search widgets...I can use a separate launcher I guess, but it would be nice if I could just configure this without resorting to that.

Ygg2将近 5 年前

I fear this is too little, too late. Also Google is defacto a browser monopoly too.

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viach将近 5 年前

Competing with Google is hard and DDG serves very specific niche trying to do it. With this niche growing big enough both Bing and Yandex share it, in a way. Imagine a successful business which is built solely on your API. I think the real problem DDG solves is the need of independent brand for Bing and Yandex, fitting this niche.

shadowgovt将近 5 年前

I'd love to read this article, but this website apparently uses cookies to vend information about me to advertisers.

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TheJoeMan将近 5 年前

I would be more worried about Google's auction process. It's cleverly evil, because the bid price to be on the start screen will asymptotically approach the phone owner's lifetime value from search ads. Then Google couldn't give two farts which search engine you use because they get paid either way.

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ed25519FUUU将近 5 年前

From their open positions:> A fundamental understanding of complex data structures and algorithms, which enables you to develop and apply new solutions and confidently navigate and improve existing code (ours is mostly written with Perl).Would love to hear more about this. That kind of surprised (frightened?) me to be honest.

gagahpangeran将近 5 年前

I've been using DDG for almost two years. I often search the error message of my code as keyword and then there's a box that show the best solution (mostly from stackoverflow). I use that solution and mostly it works and made my work faster.

carterklein13将近 5 年前

It's interesting seeing DDG trying to break into a larger space. In my experience, the only people I know that know DDG are also people in tech.I live in NYC and I'm seeing lots of billboards in the city and on highways in NJ surrounding the city as I have family that regularly travels in/out. I've seen a lot of whack billboards in my day but it really caught me by surprise seeing them try and make this push. It's exciting, and hope it'll gain some traction. However, I think the vast majority of people will still just use whatever browser and whatever search comes bundled with their machine.

gundmc将近 5 年前

I'm surprised that there are nearly zero comments about the subject of the article - the choice screens and associated auction.It seems like a reasonable implementation to me. Maybe the number of choices can be upped from 3 to 5 to help drive prices down. But surely there has to be some upper bound of the number of options?

paulcole将近 5 年前

DuckDuckGo has been absolutely atrocious for me. Searches that Google can absolutely nail, DDG returns results where the right thing isn't even on the front page.I tried to pretend like I cared more about privacy than results but the god's honest truth is I don't. I want the results I want and Google provides them.

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throwaway4715将近 5 年前

How does Duck Duck Go make money? I clicked around their site for a while, but didn't find anything.

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Taylor_OD将近 5 年前

I have used DDG for the last few years as my search engine and phone browser. I'd like to move off chrome on the desktop as well but it feels like the changeover costs of losing some small chrome extensions that I love would be too high.

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random3将近 5 年前

I understand the monopoly concern, but disagree with the title. Somehow the fact that a company got rich by using your data is the problem and most important aspect to put in the title, not the monopoly?

telaelit将近 5 年前

I use DDG for all my general searching, but I've found that Google is better for searching for technical things. So I haven't stopped using Google Search completely :(

jessriedel将近 5 年前

Data about me is not the same thing as my data.

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tictok4将近 5 年前

I like DDG but always seem to get Russian localized results. I am in the USA.

compsciphd将近 5 年前

hah, I was going to write a Ask HN but never got around to it that I had noticed that bing and DDG has the exact same results for many of my searches.