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Finally, I Closed My LinkedIn

737 点作者 rohmanhakim将近 5 年前

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ThePhysicist将近 5 年前
From a professional standpoint LinkedIn gave me a lot of value for free so I&#x27;m mostly feeling positive about it, but I agree that like any social network it has downsides and can lead to psychological stress.<p>Personally I live by the mantra that &quot;scrolling is dangerous&quot;, i.e. I try to never interact with social media or news platforms that incite me to scroll down a feed of algorithmically curated news or updates, as I find this to be the primary mechanism by which these platforms try to suck people into their content machine (there are other mechanisms like notification spam). Most of these systems seem to target dopamine-releasing pleasure mechanisms in the brain, but some are built around darker psychosocial patterns (e.g. success relative to others, the feeling of adequacy and social confirmation).<p>HN is like a diet to my brain in comparison as it just presents a single page of news without inciting me to scroll to the next page and doesn&#x27;t show any notifications to me either. Please keep it that way!
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gregdoesit将近 5 年前
It’s clear from the comments that many people have no positive experiences with LinkedIn. For me, LinkedIn was the tool that not only helped me get into better companies, but also introduced me to Hacker News.<p>I joined Skype&#x2F;Microsoft, then Skyscanner, then Uber: all after a LinkedIn recruiter reachout. They were opportunities I did not know or think about and I would have never applied to any of them at the time. I was <i>very</i> happy the time working in investment banking, and had zero reason or motivation to change this up. I needed that &quot;nagging&quot; from a recruiter to actually consider what if I was building the next Xbox that millions of gamers will use on day one, instead of a trading system that no more than a dozen of traders use.<p>In hindsight, all the positions were a step up in professionally, financially, and from a personal growth point of view. I even learned about Hacker News when I was working at Skype, from colleagues. If it wasn&#x27;t for LinkedIn, I might have permanently been stuck in investment banking and my career would have turned out very differently.
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BrentOzar将近 5 年前
If you ever want to become an independent consultant, LinkedIn has a value that won&#x27;t be immediately apparent to you.<p>While YOU might hate it, there are some business folks who search LinkedIn first. They want to see consultants&#x2F;contractors who&#x27;ve been used by other people in their network, been recommended, etc. I know it sounds odd to us - I would neeeever search LinkedIn first - but I&#x27;ve heard from prospects who have, and they&#x27;ve contacted me on LinkedIn first.<p>It&#x27;s never worked out for me though - the billable rates on those kinds of gigs have been pretty low.
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ravenstine将近 5 年前
I&#x27;ve never found a job through LinkedIn. I do like Easy Apply a lot, but it never resulted in anything. Every job I&#x27;ve ever had was found either through someone I know or by applying directly on a company website. I&#x27;ve had a few interviews resulting from LinkedIn, but it&#x27;s not like LinkedIn gave me much of an advantage beyond Easy Apply. I didn&#x27;t exactly get <i>more</i> interviews. In fact, I may have been getting fewer interviews on average, but it didn&#x27;t seem like it because it was easy enough to apply to a lot of companies.<p>In terms of the actual social network... people use that sh<i></i>? I&#x27;ve had my moments of Facebook addiction in the distant past, but there&#x27;s nothing about LinkedIn that makes me look forward to logging in. My feed is mostly composed of inspirational quotes, people celebrating their anniversary at their current job, corporate brown-nosing, articles on productivity, articles about people quitting their job, etc. All generic, mostly low-effort junk. Let&#x27;s not even get started on the recruiter spam!<p>Unfortunately, it we will have to wait for a serious decline of LinkedIn before a serious competitor can make headway.
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lordnacho将近 5 年前
I find that a lot of serendipitous connections are made on LinkedIn. People will see my profile and strike up a conversation. Seems to work OK for what it is.<p>What it isn&#x27;t great for is content. There&#x27;s never anything remotely useful there, the whole feed is a weird corporate version of the self help section in a bookshop. A lot of stuff is written purely to get attention.<p>But I also don&#x27;t see the tradeoff in as poor a light as say FB. What&#x27;s so personal about where you work? If people can see what I&#x27;ve done they can offer relevant services, mainly they can try to recruit me.
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Avalaxy将近 5 年前
The author says it himself in the introductory paragraph:<p>&gt; I never used LinkedIn... hadn&#x27;t even updated my profile in the 9 months since I left my last software engineering job.<p>So you use LinkedIn only passively, never do anything on the platform and then write a rant on how it provides you no value? Maybe actually _try_ to use the strengths of LinkedIn before you dismiss it?
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take_a_breath将近 5 年前
LinkedIn jumped the shark when they started heavily promoting their skill endorsement section. I remember receiving a notification that my mom endorsed my ability to perform discounted cash flow analysis. She didn’t know what a discounted cash flow was, but endorsed me all the same.<p>This is the moment it became spam. I do still use it for job searches.
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ChrisMarshallNY将近 5 年前
LinkedIn is fairly useless, but it’s a game I play. Some folks just expect me to have a LI profile, so I keep it up, and treat it respectfully.<p>I do like to have a platform where I’m not constantly reading troll screeds (but it’s starting to show cracks).<p>I mainly use it to reinforce my “personal brand,” and give people a place I can send them to, where they can find out about me, in a format with which they are comfortable.<p>I don’t treat it casually, as a lot of folks take it seriously, and treating it badly is disrespectful (IMO).<p>&gt; Hiring is broken<p>Yup. Not LI’s fault, though.<p>I won’t even begin to address that, but, as an older techie, with an enormous portfolio and experience, and mediocre “schoolboy test” performance, I have encountered this in spades.
arexxbifs将近 5 年前
LinkedIn began as something that actually seemed useful, but it long since turned into Facebook for middle management types for feeding their echo chamber with self help stories and 10 Things All Successful People Do.<p>I have not come across a single serious recruiter there for years and I closed my account 6 months ago or so. Perhaps it&#x27;s still useful for freelancers.
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actualwill将近 5 年前
The feed is nothing but useless hustle porn. 99.99% of recruiter messages I get are offering the same position I have now, but at a less mature company. However I got my first software job using it (don’t have a degree), and found my most recent job via the easy apply. LinkedIn has been a net positive for me, and can safely be ignored for a long time while not hunting.
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kerkeslager将近 5 年前
I&#x27;ve never had a LinkedIn, but I regularly receive emails from recruiters that start, &quot;Hey, I found your profile on LinkedIn and...&quot;. These get a form response from me which says basically, &quot;No you didn&#x27;t, and given the first words you say to me are a lie, I have no interest in working with you. And if you feel guilty enough about how you <i>actually</i> got my email that you feel the need to lie about it, maybe you should consider whether you want to be the kind of person who gets people&#x27;s emails via unethical means and then lies about it.&quot;<p>Some of these recruiters apparently work for Amazon, which isn&#x27;t unsurprising given their track record on other ethical concerns.
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gshulegaard将近 5 年前
I am not sure how I feel about LinkedIn but I did want to expand on this:<p>&gt; But one thing I am sure about: no one will notice.<p>LinkedIn remains one of the largest and best data sets for the recruiting industry. I don&#x27;t want to speak too broadly since my experience is limited to my current employer and personal experience, but if you remove your LinkedIn you will effectively be invisible to the recruiting agency I work at.<p>Many companies rely on outbound recruiting tactics since inbound is often too noisy; not having a LinkedIn would dramatically reduce (if not eliminate) the chance of a recruiter finding you without prior contact (referral, application, former colleague, etc). And this is not just limited to recruiters reaching out via LinkedIn. There are companies that scrape LinkedIn and sell that data to recruiting agencies and VC&#x27;s (and who knows who else).<p>As an anecdote, having recently complete a job search myself, I have to say that traditional inbound applications (e.g. apply via company website without any contacts) was shockingly ineffective. The difference in traction between self applications using my professional network, job boards, or recruiting markets (e.g. Triplebyte) was night and day.<p>Since the author seems privacy oriented, removing his LinkedIn is probably the right thing to do, but I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s accurate to imply that there is no opportunity cost to doing so.
jll29将近 5 年前
LinkedIn has its advantages and disadvantages. I would characterise it as a net positive for me, but it depends who you are, how you use it and what for.<p>Why net positive? For my second start-up, I found our first customer through LinkedIn. After lots of attempts to source a paying customer that led to no conversions, one day a message arrived saying &quot;You&#x27;re the only ones in Europe doing this. We want to work with you.&quot;. No networking, no clever lead generation, just being there being found in a search did the job.<p>Never used it for jobs because I got these all conference networking and by personal email exchances or being headhunted. It also gave me lots of speaking engagements.<p>Recently, LinkedIn has had some issues with too much Facebook-like noise (people posting non-professional content), so I think if there was a more focused, mininmalist alternative, lots of people may switch. There is also the question of potential conflict of interest: LI sells to HR&#x2F;Hiring functions and to people that already work for companies that use it for these functions. So if I was you, I wouldn&#x27;t apply via LI to any kind of job in case you&#x27;d like to keep that fact from your current employer&#x27;s HR.
Ecstatify将近 5 年前
I hate LinkedIn, majority of the articles are rubbish most of the job offers you get are not related to your skills but I still feel it&#x27;s valuable to have when I want to look for a new job or just to keep in contact with people I have worked with in the past.<p>My inbox is full of boring templated messages<p>&quot;Hi XXX, #I noticed you work as XXX @XXXand it is why I send invitation to your LinkedIn. Looking forward to connect with you for open discussion about logging, monitoring, troubleshooting and cloud SIEM. #stayletsconnect&quot;<p>&quot;Hello XXX, I am a Success Manager of XXXHiring Platform. I will be glad to become a part of your professional connections and build collaboration with you. best regards XXX&quot;<p>I found an extension to unfollow all my connections so I have no reason to stay on LinkedIn anymore than I need to.
lbutler将近 5 年前
If you publish content for a professional niche, then LinkedIn may be your best choice to reach your audience.<p>I&#x27;m a hydraulic modelling engineer, and people in my field don&#x27;t hang out on the internet together like software developers.<p>So when I write articles or develop some FOSS, I&#x27;ll go to LinkedIn because I can reach thousands of other engineers doing the same type of work.<p>I don&#x27;t believe I could get the same reach or engagement on any other platform.
ptmcc将近 5 年前
LinkedIn has directly led to me getting two great jobs and accelerating my career by leaps and bounds.<p>I don&#x27;t read much&#x2F;any of the news feed, and only occasionally check in on it at all, but it&#x27;s a fantastic passive job search platform.<p>The vast majority of recruiter contacts I get are not worth following up on, but that rare message that just happens to be the right time&#x2F;place is invaluable.
jasonv将近 5 年前
I deleted LinkedIn about 5 years ago when I went totally independent. I was super happy not to have it. I recently re-created it because a consulting engagement put me back in the center of &quot;Are you on LinkedIn?&quot; discussions.<p>I do look forward to closing my account again. There&#x27;s a lot of &quot;professional posting&quot; that goes on -- professional signaling, and uplifting daily posts. Knowing the people who are posting these things, and how they go about their daily work lives -- it&#x27;s a lot like fitspo&#x2F;fitfam posts on Instagram.<p>And companies I have some back office knowledge of are flat out lying about their responses to the pandemic (No, you didn&#x27;t respond to the pandemic by laying off any FTEs; yes, you did lay-off all your contractors on day 3; and actually, you did have a round of FTE layoffs subsequently but your posting army got their &quot;I&#x27;m so proud of my company and the fact that they didn&#x27;t do any FTE layoffs&quot; posts out the day before the layoff round).<p>Glad some people get value out of it. Feels of our social times too much for me.
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hyko将近 5 年前
The idea that you need LinkedIn to further your career is a myth straight out of the LinkedIn marketing budget.<p>It was a weak signal that is now pure noise.
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karussell将近 5 年前
Maybe a bit unrelated but who else has <i>always</i> serious page rendering issues when visiting LinkedIn? I do not visit it often but there are so many problems lately that I doubt that I&#x27;m the only one, especially since all other sites are fine. These problems appear when I open LinkedIn pages in a tab or for the initial rending but also just when I click on new messages or &#x27;Start&#x27;. Is it because of Firefox and&#x2F;or uBlock Origin?
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m23khan将近 5 年前
If you are Developer or even a DevOps or Data Engineer, LinkedIn is a very handy tool in order to get connected with recruiters and also to apply for jobs that are posted there.<p>Sure, there are other great online job boards and even physical job agencies but I find (LinkedIn) by being marketed and promoted as a professional job seeking &#x2F; networking tool, even the type of conversations you have with your contacts tend to be of a professional nature.<p>Yes, there are some fluff on LinkedIn especially when it comes to variety of videos or feel-good or motivational messages being posted but I take them in stride -- not everybody is same and if some people are social and have desire to share their social feelings with others, then so be it.
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myth2018将近 5 年前
In my country, probably the most well-known IT-related jobs website (www.apinfo.com) is something around 20 years old and uses basically the same technologies and concepts that were mainstream at the time. Coldfusion, plain HTML, ad spaces sold directly to advertisers.<p>No social networking. No fancy stuff (they don&#x27;t even use icons, it&#x27;s plain text everywhere). Just a simple, straightforward website.<p>It&#x27;s not perfect though. Doesn&#x27;t perform that well and the searching capabilities are poor even after some improvements they&#x27;ve attempted. But during my whole career (17 years) I&#x27;ve gotten 100% of my jobs there, despite having tried some other websites.<p>I wish that UX folks payed more attention to cases like that.
berkes将近 5 年前
Interesting and it resonates with me.<p>Just today, I wrote an introduction on a &quot;federated linkedin&quot; that we&#x27;ve been working on for the last few months: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;socialhub.activitypub.rocks&#x2F;t&#x2F;early-feedback-and-presentation-of-a-federated-professional-business-network&#x2F;743" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;socialhub.activitypub.rocks&#x2F;t&#x2F;early-feedback-and-pre...</a><p>Basically, aiming to set up a &quot;rolodex on steroids&quot; or a &quot;place to manange your business network&quot; without all the privacy-issues, recruiterspam and duplicated social-network-features.<p>We are in early phase, currently working through problem interviews and market positioning.
nwsm将近 5 年前
I&#x27;ve been on LinkedIn for a while, and I don&#x27;t mind it for what it is. I have not taken a job that started with LinkedIn, but it has given me leads, multiple interviews, and an offer at one of the big tech companies. On most of my job applications I&#x27;ve attached my LinkedIn, but I doubt it does anything as all that info is on my resume.<p>Secondly I appreciate seeing my childhood, college, and ex-coworker friends&#x27; careers progress. I like knowing where they&#x27;re at and what they&#x27;re working on, and a LI update from someone I know has sparked lots of conversations.<p>As far as content, we all know it&#x27;s worse than any other platform. I roll my eyes at over half of the things on my feed. But sometimes I find good article shares that aren&#x27;t just marketing, and occasionally there&#x27;s an actually interesting post. However I think they do a good job of showing you your connections&#x27; updates from a few weeks ago even, which is great for not following your feed constantly like Twitter.<p>I agree it is not at all necessary for finding a job, and I don&#x27;t use it as a normal social media where I expect interesting content. So I definitely understand anyone who decides not to use it. But I&#x27;ve found value in it myself, and I certainly don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s doing me <i>harm</i>. The author never explains what the &quot;harm&quot; is.<p>I think this sentence in the article sums it up:<p>&quot;It doesn&#x27;t really matter, but that&#x27;s not a world I want to participate in.&quot;<p>OP wrote an article about deleting an app that no one thinks is essential.
olcor将近 5 年前
Linkedin provides value to me in two ways:<p>- My connections list would make a potential recruiter (and maybe even the Linkedin Algorithm) be slightly more confident that I am who I say I am, i.e. I did work at the companies and studied at the schools I listed) because there would be people in that list who have shared that history with me. I make sure these are the only people in my connections list, apart from a few recruiters I wouldn&#x27;t mind chatting with again.<p>- I can be discoverable professionally&#x2F;personally by a google search. I don&#x27;t have any other social media accounts.<p>I take some effort to maximize this value and minimize the other irritations and distractions. Example: I unfollow everyone I connect, so my feed is mostly empty. I don&#x27;t connect with people I don&#x27;t know or those who don&#x27;t bother interacting in any other way except just sending a request.<p>Some people could go a few steps further and use uBlock origin&#x27;s element picker to permanently block the UI elements constituting the feed and anything else they don&#x27;t want to see. This way all you get is maybe a few emails a month maximum, and potentially good job opportunities. Everyone else just sees a quasi-official page about my professional experience.
Springtime将近 5 年前
Just wanted to give a bit of praise for the blog post&#x27;s illustration as a rather delightful little example of how lightweight and smooth SVG animation can be (and SMIL no less).<p>44KB for a scalable, looping blog graphic. Imagine if more of the web were like this.
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paysandu将近 5 年前
LinkedIn had enormous value for me after I graduated from a PhD and was desperately looking for a job in industry. I got the LinkedIn Premium, which allowed me to message any people directly (without the need to be connected first). My first attempts at cold approaching people were not successful, but I slowly refined my communications and was able to get many replies.<p>I would search a company that was interesting and then message an employee asking for questions about the company, if we had a good conversation, they would hook me up with the recruiter. Sometimes I would directly contact a startup founder with a pitch of how my expertise would be helpful to them (my field is pretty niche, so there aren&#x27;t any job titles for it). I got my current job by directly approaching the recruiter responsible for the position I wanted. It escalated pretty quickly from the first contact.<p>I didn&#x27;t need to manufacture my profile in an artificial way. I just put everything I did and know there. The platform gave me the visibility I didn&#x27;t have, as I come from a small university. The single ability to find who works at a certain company, and how many insiders you already know has enormous value.
headmelted将近 5 年前
LinkedIn is a very strange place to me.<p>I’m there, but like the author I never really bother with it. Maybe every year or two I’ll check it’s up-to-date with work history but that’s about it.<p>I get a lot of calls from recruiters. I can only assume they’re cold-calling a list from linked in search results and I can’t think of a single incidence where the call has lead to anything.<p>The bizarre part is that I know several people on LinkedIn and Facebook (to be fair I haven’t signed in on Facebook either for about two years for lack of interest - if I haven’t bothered to call you in the last three years then I really don’t care what you’re eating for lunch these days).<p>On Facebook people post cat memes and talk about things they’re genuinely interested in, like how Janet’s friend Steve caught coronavirus from a telecom mast.<p>On LinkedIn the same people’s feeds are repost after repost of how they’re living their most Agile Scrum Synergy-driven Goal-oriented life.<p>As best I can tell, it’s a website for sucking up to employers you might some day have or hope to impress. Every post reads like the applicant side of a job interview where no-one even asked a question. Maybe it’s just me, and I don’t get it, but I just have better things to do with my time.
nonines将近 5 年前
&gt;&gt; The corporate work culture survives on people&#x27;s fears. If you don&#x27;t play by the rules of the people in power, how will you make money, how will you feed your family, how will you contribute to society?<p>&gt;&gt; When people long for the days of the early web, the glorious idiosyncracies of personal sites and forums, they are really longing for a time and a space where people were free to communicate their own values. Now that space is owned and rented to the highest bidder. A site like LinkedIn wraps you up into a tiny, uniform package, sets you in an enormous data warehouse next to millions of other tiny people just like you, and sells the lot of you.<p>A lot of what he says resonates really strongly. Fact of the matter though is that we are locked in this state of affairs. Specially if you are in a not-exactly-buzzing job market. I don&#x27;t know if there is a will and a way to revert ourselves back to something more than a commodity. And I don&#x27;t see a way to move forward to something beyond that.
dijit将近 5 年前
I have conflicting feelings about linkedin. It suffers greatly from all the things that SV success&#x27;s suffer from: feature bloat, the need to be all things and above all; trying to steal and keep your attention.<p>If you kill off 90% of notifications, the inane &quot;feed&quot; and some of the duplicitous behaviour in trying to pilfer your contacts list then you end up with a solid platform for recruiters and professionals.<p>I have recommendations from people on my linkedin page that has much more merit than if I included such a thing on my CV.<p>I have people who endorsed me for skills, which when presented well can mean that people are vouching that I have at least some area of knowledge there.<p>This means that overall linkedin is a more standardised, searchable and credible source for my working history than my CV is.<p>So I think that if you treat linkedin simply as a &#x27;live CV&#x27; then it has a lot of value, even if you do get some recruiter spam sometimes.
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bad_user将近 5 年前
&gt; &quot;<i>unless your profile is exceptional for some reason, it probably does more harm than good</i>&quot;<p>Isn&#x27;t this true of your resume as well? What makes LinkedIn any worse than a public resume?<p>And if you don&#x27;t have a good resume, that&#x27;s totally fine, many companies will still call you in for an interview, however the companies that have a long queue of interviews, will use those resume for discriminating between potential candidates and there&#x27;s no way around that.<p>If your online profile isn&#x27;t good, then improve your online profile. Work on some public projects, write a blog, read some marketing books and apply that knowledge.<p>And on LinkedIn ... actively ask your former colleagues to recommend you on LinkedIn. People writing words about you is the best kind of endorsement you can get. Don&#x27;t be ashamed of asking for it.
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code4tee将近 5 年前
LinkedIn is mostly full of people trying to reach or impress other people who are broadly not really using LinkedIn.<p>Most people have a profile but few people I know spend any time on the site unless their activity fits the description above. Thus it’s never really clear to me what the point of it all is.
dep_b将近 5 年前
I have a LinkedIn account for quite a few years now after some initial hesitation and the bad feeling never quite went away given the fact they still scrape address books and other dark patterns.<p>I used to leave it on &quot;not interested in new work&quot; because I already got so much spam, but then I flipped the switch in March because I temporarily lost all of my customers at once due to Coronascare and I had to scramble for new work.<p>Most leads that I get that I wouldn&#x27;t get before are pretty high quality I have to say. I do see that once a new job lands that matches my profile multiple recruiters reach out on the same day for the same job and I see the same opening repeated several times over.<p>I don&#x27;t understand why the job market needs to be so opaque.
Nginx487将近 5 年前
The title reminds me of a joke &quot;I chased you to say I&#x27;m a vegan&quot;. Well, you deleted your account, we are happy fir you. If you&#x27;re a regular employee, your benefits from LinkedIn could be limited to a job search. However, being an independent consultant, author of your content, owner of a product, you should care about building your community and increase your &quot;influence&quot; in this community. I do not agree nothing much happen there, probably nothing that could be interesting a big corporation employee. In terms of building business connections that is the only available worldwide social network.
eeZah7Ux将近 5 年前
Excellent points:<p>&gt; Fear of scarcity. Not having a job when you need a job is a terrible feeling, I get it. It&#x27;s why I joined LinkedIn in the first place.<p>&gt; Fear of missing out. Maybe some magical opportunity might trickle down through your network of connections? The truth is, if you&#x27;re relying on LinkedIn to manage your network, those relationships are thin as tinsel.<p>&gt; The corporate work culture survives on people&#x27;s fears. If you don&#x27;t play by the rules of the people in power, how will you make money, how will you feed your family, how will you contribute to society?<p>...and social media played on similar fears around social life.
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geomark将近 5 年前
Just to toss in my two cents, Linkedin has been of no use career-wise for me. But it has helped me find some people in a niche whom I failed to find through a lot of Googling and forum trolling. So a net positive for me.
SCdF将近 5 年前
I&#x27;ve said it before, but if your CV is one of hundreds that are being reviewed for a role and you don&#x27;t have a linkedin, it basically means that everyone else is more legitimate than you.<p>This sucks, I am aware. But since people send fake &#x2F; bullshit &#x2F; impossible to verify CVs all the time, I&#x27;m not really sure what the alternative is.<p>So by all means delete your linkedin, but maybe instead consider just never logging in until you need to update your job history, once every couple of years. Or do delete it, but just be aware of the reality of how that may play out.
082349872349872将近 5 年前
I keep my LinkedIn mostly to be aware of how much they know about several decades of my true social graph.<p>(cf Böll —he did work in statistics, so I think the irony is strong in this one— <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tandfonline.com&#x2F;na101&#x2F;home&#x2F;literatum&#x2F;publisher&#x2F;tandf&#x2F;journals&#x2F;content&#x2F;ucha20&#x2F;2002&#x2F;ucha20.v015.i03&#x2F;09332480.2002.10554810&#x2F;production&#x2F;09332480.2002.10554810.fp.png_v03" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tandfonline.com&#x2F;na101&#x2F;home&#x2F;literatum&#x2F;publisher&#x2F;t...</a> )
mehdix将近 5 年前
I was in doubt whether to delete my LinkedIn or give it a facelift. After Corona hit, I did indeed improved my LinkedIn presence.<p>I have diabled all the distractions and focuse on the network though. I realized there is value in keeping in touch with potential decision makers and employers.<p>If you are an expat, live in a faraway place, lack community in your town, etc, LinkedIn could be valuable for you. If you are in a tech-hub, have access to lots of communities and potential employers, sure, LinkedIn looks useless to you.
dlkf将近 5 年前
I liked this essay. I don&#x27;t agree with all of it. But it has a lot of interesting musings, and it&#x27;s written without the sort of hyperbole or bombast that typically accompanies pieces about &quot;why I&#x27;m not using x.&quot;<p>&gt; I&#x27;d go so far as to say that unless your profile is exceptional for some reason, it probably does more harm than good.<p>This can&#x27;t possibly be true. LinkedIn is the go-to sourcing tool for every HR department in the world. Right now —even in the midst of a global recession —thousands of recruiters are trawling LinkedIn to fill a role. If you don&#x27;t have a LinkedIn account, you are immediately disqualified from the pool. Moreover, a lot of HR departments will simply expect a LinkedIn profile. They like having a standard mode of comparison that&#x27;s easily digestible.<p>&gt; You and I are just another candidate in a tall stack<p>This is a false dichotomy. Having a LinkedIn profile isn&#x27;t mutually exclusive with a portfolio, blog, github, kaggle account, stackoverflow profile etc. And if the recruiter is only going to look at your LinkedIn <i>anyway</i>, then how is your awesome blog going to help? I would go in an opposite direction, and describe LinkedIn as a sort of Pascal&#x27;s wager. At worst it&#x27;s a net neutral; at best you might get an interesting job offer.<p>&gt; When people long for the days of the early web, the glorious idiosyncracies of personal sites and forums, they are really longing for a time and a space where people were free to communicate their own values. Now that space is owned and rented to the highest bidder. A site like LinkedIn wraps you up into a tiny, uniform package, sets you in an enormous data warehouse next to millions of other tiny people just like you, and sells the lot of you.<p>Well put. It&#x27;s definitely kind of depressing. But at the same time, I feel that it&#x27;s possible that a centralized platform like LinkedIn can serve as an equalizing force (depending on its search&#x2F;discovery capabilities). I suspect that a world where we are all using blogs and forums is much more siloed than one with LinkedIn. Information asymmetry in job markets is bad for workers. For all their faults, tools like LinkedIn and GlassDoor are (or at least could be) a force that alleviates this. I don&#x27;t really have a final word here, I can see benefits to both worlds.
ajtjp将近 5 年前
I&#x27;ve found LinkedIn to be great for two things - becoming aware of companies&#x2F;opportunities I wouldn&#x27;t have heard of otherwise, and building relationships with recruiters so that when I&#x27;m ready to move on from a job, I already have ins at the companies they work with. So far, that has led to two jobs, although not my current one. But it&#x27;s absolutely been worth having a profile.<p>I mostly use it as some other people have mentioned - having notifications for messages, and ignoring the News Feed and most other features. Once a twice a year, I update my resume, and update my LinkedIn as well, which is not much extra work, but is essentially really low-cost marketing of my skills and experience.<p>Of the messages I get, some aren&#x27;t worth responding to - the &quot;I have a job to fill using Java, and you used Java once, you should apply&quot; type - but some are from recruiters who are willing to build a relationship and place you when the time is right, even if that isn&#x27;t right away. It&#x27;s often worth taking a 30 minute phone call with them, or meeting up for coffee or lunch.
apple4ever将近 5 年前
I never had a problem with LinkedIn. Sometimes I get recruiter emails, but those are easy to deal with. I actually got my last job via LinkedIn, so it has helped me get a job.<p>As a hiring manager, I immediately get red flags when someone doesn&#x27;t have a LinkedIn. Its easy to create and keep updated, so to me it seems like they are hiding something. Not that its an instant deny, but it is a part of the decision.
fabiomaia将近 5 年前
I saw the same thing a while ago and deleted it. I got my first job in a different country easily without LinkedIn. I see no value in LinkedIn for job hunting, many of the ads are just links to different job boards or application forms that I have to fill out or upload my CV to anyway.<p>Ironically I created a LinkedIn again after starting this job, I think mostly to flex on my exciting new job and measuring myself against my peers from college, while some small part of me also thought it could be important for networking. If you really want to keep in touch with peers from college you will find a better and much more genuine way of doing so. If you want to network maybe it can be a useful tool but I&#x27;m not sure stroking each other&#x27;s ego is the best way to do that.<p>Once again I was coming to the conclusion that it&#x27;s a useless and pointless platform (like most social networks, but that&#x27;s another topic). My feed right now is nothing but cringe memes, humblebrags, and weird flexing. Thanks for bringing this to my attention, I think I will delete it for real this time.
dreen将近 5 年前
You might have closed the account, but good luck stopping them from emailing you!
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ementi将近 5 年前
If I didn’t worry about money, I would certainly delete my LinkedIn. The author’s opinion is that having a LinkedIn will hurt in getting a job. I was thinking that it would help since a lot of companies ask for it.<p>For me, having a LinkedIn is certainly out of fear however I haven’t had many benefits from it. I paid for premium for 2 months and didn’t get anything out of it in terms of getting a job.
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redelbee将近 5 年前
Anyone else notice significantly more notification spam from LinkedIn lately? It seems like I’m guaranteed to get a badge notification daily now compared to once a week or so in the past.<p>LinkedIn is one of the few apps I still allow notifications from. In retrospect I probably turned them on in fear of missing an opportunity when looking for a job. I can confidently say I haven’t missed out on any opportunity and the content notifications are mostly terrible. It’s so bad I’m considering following the author’s lead and getting off the platform altogether.<p>What does the future look like? I can only assume someone at LinkedIn is looking at daily active users and trying to juice that number with app notification spam. In theory LinkedIn is perfect: keeps business and personal separate, a dedicated platform for work-related everything after the Microsoft acquisition. In practice it’s awful. Is there any future where a social media company like LinkedIn could coalesce around something useful instead of chasing metrics (DAUs, etc)?
ThomPete将近 5 年前
Linkedin works for me not the other way around. Its a giant rolodex, stays mostly out of the way and make it easy for me to investigate various things like who knows a person or what does company x do I even pay for the premium account and have for years. Its not useful for everyone and definitely not all the ti e but when its is, its all the money worth.
inglor将近 5 年前
I don&#x27;t understand why as a developer I&#x27;d want to use LinkedIn. I have StackOverflow and GitHub which a lot of relevant leads come from.<p>When I buy a used car - I don&#x27;t publish a &quot;I&#x27;m looking for a used car&quot; post and wait for car salespeople to approach me. I go and charactarize what I&#x27;m looking for and then go car-shopping.<p>When I look for a job - I don&#x27;t publish a &quot;I&#x27;m looking for a job&quot;. Talking to the recruiters (HR people) is very boring and often counterproductive.<p>Contributing to open source and meeting and talking to engineers and building things is a lot more fun and rewarding.<p>That&#x27;s why I don&#x27;t have a linkedin (well, only an account for the API). It always seemed like &quot;opting in to a lot of spam&quot; without getting any value as a developer. I don&#x27;t even think I&#x27;m particularly good - but great developers probably have this x100.<p>Of course if I was not a developer but a sales person my situation would be completely different.
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runawaybottle将近 5 年前
I’m noticing a lot of pretentious at best, contrived at worst, mythology posts on LinkedIn. Everyone’s career is being transformed through the narrative machine, and it appears a lot of people suddenly persevered ‘against all odds’.<p>Every super hero needs an origin story. Social media encourages exhibitionism, and gone are the days of quiet accomplishment.
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AlexandrB将近 5 年前
LinkedIn was and is mega-creepy. They still prompt me to &quot;discover my network&quot; by giving them my Gmail username and password. Based on the comments here, it seems that everyone has at this point accepted LinkedIn&#x27;s creepy business practices and now we&#x27;re just arguing about its relative utility. Great.
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pulkitsh1234将近 5 年前
Off topic: I find that LinkedIn is bloated with features (most of the &quot;social&quot; aspects of it seem to be just ripped off of FB), which often facilitate spam (Look at my new certificates, Sharing of TikTok videos, Motivational quotes) and just a weird way to share information (&quot;Link in the first comment&quot;). I believe LinkedIn thinks they are improving customer &quot;retention&quot; and all other metrics might be ringing hard, but it suffers from massive feature bloat.<p>The only reason I am on LinkedIn is just that every other person is on it.<p>And from [0] shared on HN yesterday, it will not work if just a couple of people move to a new platform, they need to move AND share that fact as loudly as possible.<p>[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fs.blog&#x2F;2020&#x2F;06&#x2F;coordination-problems&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fs.blog&#x2F;2020&#x2F;06&#x2F;coordination-problems&#x2F;</a>
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mud_dauber将近 5 年前
80% of my LinkedIn feed feels like absolute dreck. &quot;Humbled to announce..&quot;, &quot;We had a great time at..&quot;, or &quot;Announcing availability of..&quot; .. you know it when you see it.<p>And I completely get the sentiment that much of the rest is just somebody amplifying an opinion for likes, clicks or connections. But consider this alternative scenario.<p>If you&#x27;re dissatisfied with your professional lot in life, LinkedIn is a way to vent. LinkedIn posts don&#x27;t have to be of the &#x27;please consider hiring me&#x27; variety - they may be somebody who doesn&#x27;t have another outlet for their creativity or feelings on how a topic is being handled by the world at large.<p>I&#x27;m in this category. I use Li to show that I&#x27;m out here, alive, and have some value. I strenuously try to avoid the whole &quot;thought leader&quot; vibe.<p>Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
JoeMayoBot将近 5 年前
As an independent consultant, Linked-In has worked well for me. I&#x27;ve been contacted there for more opportunities that I can count - real customers. I have very few recruiter contacts and weed them from my list every once in a while. In fact, I received a referral a couple weeks ago that&#x27;s a paying customer today.<p>One of the things I do that I don&#x27;t see much is to reach out and stay in contact with people occasionally. Sometimes I&#x27;ll make a referral too. Networking works many ways and you have to give to get. (#givefirst) Sometimes just replying to the anniversary, new job, or giving a technology kudo means something to some people (maybe more so in a pandemic world).<p>I also like the points that a few other folks made that customers almost always look at the Linked-In profile.
Plutonsvea将近 5 年前
I&#x27;ve always used a mantra of &quot;You can&#x27;t win the game without playing it&quot;. A large majority of recruiters and job searchers in the world use LinkedIn. If you&#x27;re not willing to throw yourself out there in the LinkedIn world, I think you&#x27;ll find you&#x27;re not opening yourself to enough opportunities for your career growth. This is strictly from a growth perspective though.<p>I got my current job and wake up incredibly happy every day, and this opportunity only came because I glossed-up my linked-in profile and a few recruiters expressed interest.<p>Linked-In networking might be a terrible and sometimes cringe-y game to play, but trust me, you&#x27;ll be glad you expended the few braincells it took to fake it when employers and recruiters start knocking.
aroberge将近 5 年前
I did the same and the amount of spam emails (trying to sell me services or products related to my job) dropped down by at least 80%. If I were at the beginning of my career, I imagine that the network effect might compensate for the annoyance, but that is not the case for me.
Pedrit0将近 5 年前
I can underestand the author&#x27;s point of view about the uniformizing atmosphere on Linkedin, but I could not quit. I am IT system architect in Paris. It means linkedin is my magic tool to get tons of job opportunities without even searching. Closing my account would be a meaningless and self-harming move... But by the way I use it only as smart and dynamic resumé &#x2F; job offer board and never use it as a social network. And I never read at personal publications as they are mainly about corporate spirit BS clichés and pathetic personal development advice. And I personnaly think that people who spend much time commenting on Linkedin often offer a bad image of themselves : they should work more and self-promote less.
asplake将近 5 年前
I totally get that it’s not for everyone. For me though, way more traction there than in (say) Twitter or Facebook. But for me it is not “glorified resume site” (to quote the article) but a place actively to connect with people. You get out of it what you put in I guess.
codingdave将近 5 年前
I&#x27;ve gotten multiple jobs from LinkedIn. I&#x27;ve caught up with old friends after not having talked for years, because I saw a job update from them, and it was a good reminder to get back in touch. I&#x27;ve reached out to people local to me, and to people from my college who I never knew, but I now see work in my field, in my area, and gotten to know more people. I&#x27;ve seen well-written articles, and found new people and blogs to follow who talk about the non-technical side of this industry - management, product ownership, leadership, and other such things.<p>Clearly, LinkedIn does have its share of warts. And if isn&#x27;t for you, there is nothing wrong with not participating. But you get out of it what you put into it.
mcv将近 5 年前
I&#x27;m no fan of LinkedIn. It&#x27;s a mess of dark patterns, and I think that shortly after I joined, they tried to con me into giving them my Gmail password. They certainly offer me a lot of contacts who I do know, but they have no business knowing that I know them. There&#x27;s certainly fishy stuff going on.<p>At the same time, though, recruiters find me there. Despite my CV being years out of date, and me ignoring LinkedIn most of the time, recruiters keep finding me there and offering me interesting freelance positions.<p>A co-worker who is also a freelancer uses LinkedIn more actively, and uses it to connect to hiring managers of companies he might want to work for. That way he finds work without middlemen.
raverbashing将近 5 年前
&gt; but I&#x27;d go so far as to say that unless your profile is exceptional for some reason, it probably does more harm than good.<p>&gt; You and I are just another candidate in a tall stack—ie. our profiles are more useless information they can use to cross our name off.<p>That seems a very naive interpretation. Or maybe my profile is truly exceptional (who knows)<p>I&#x27;ve came across several potential good job opportunities in LinkedIn, and of course, while you won&#x27;t jump hoops too frequently and most of them might be not great opportunities, I can totally see the value.<p>And those are not only through direct recruiter contacts, but also through friends sharing job posts (or candidates).<p>(Yes, recruiters still ask for CVs sometimes <i>sigh</i> )
benbristow将近 5 年前
I found my last 2 jobs through LinkedIn. One through direct application through LinkedIn (the Easy-Apply feature) and then once through a recruiter&#x27;s message.<p>I couldn&#x27;t imagine not having LinkedIn nowadays, it&#x27;s invaluable.
makison将近 5 年前
Created Linkedin account while I had a job, kept it passive for a while - 6 months. Became active when I quit, recruiters started contacting me. Got a new job, during covid and only because of Linkedin, in 2-3 months.
Beldin将近 5 年前
I use linkedin for having a reasonable reliable connection to people from the past. I.e., primary school friends, high school friends, colleagues, etc.<p>I&#x27;ve never used it for job hunting, but for the feeling that i might be able to get back in touch with someone i was close with at one point in my life. Basically, i just want Facebook without the feed. Linkedin admirably fits that niche.<p>Admittedly, I hardly use it - but it&#x27;s the ultimate fallback for when all other options run out.<p>Apparently people post things there. But i don&#x27;t think anyone holds it against you if you do not interact.
paul7986将近 5 年前
Ive found just about all my software&#x2F;UX Design gigs on Linkedin via recruiters.<p>Also, it&#x27;s been a way to get my next best deal via job hopping and starting conversations with recruiters telling them how much Im making (which is really how much i want for my next job). Either the conversation continues or I went to high and it doesnt. Now out of 100 times doing this I&#x27;ve landed 5 to 10 jobs over many years. A lot of the times I&#x27;m not looking, but interested in what the market will bear for my experience.<p>Personally, couldn&#x27;t imagine deleting Linkedin.
bsd44将近 5 年前
Am I the only one not seeing the argument in the blog post? All I read was &quot;LinkedIn is bad and being on it does more harm than good&quot; without anything to support the premise.<p>I&#x27;ve been on LinkedIn for years and it did nothing but good for me. I found nothing but quality jobs on it, I stopped visiting job websites as a result, I&#x27;m getting approached by companies as a result instead of me applying. I don&#x27;t understand what the author was doing to find LinkedIn &quot;bad&quot; and &quot;more harm than good&quot;. I think this is nonsense.
AlchemistCamp将近 5 年前
I also closed my account recently because they wouldn&#x27;t let me update my profile without providing a location.<p>I&#x27;ve been a nomad most of the last 5 years and everything I do professionally is over the internet.
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jcun4128将近 5 年前
It works great for me with regard to job hunting get pinged almost everyday by recruiters... my connections mostly are recruiters other than people I know&#x2F;work with. Other than that I don&#x27;t participate in social stuff as it has my name on it.<p>Granted I have some social accounts(reddit) that are doxxable but mostly they&#x27;re not... I don&#x27;t attack people I&#x27;m just weird&#x2F;can&#x27;t really be me with my name. YouTube is almost borderline but thankfully as of yet I&#x27;m not aware of an easy&#x2F;public way to scan YouTube comments.
gwbas1c将近 5 年前
I used to get a lot of recruiter spam so I locked down my profile.<p>I opened it up a bit because I&#x27;m looking for a job. It&#x27;s still spammy, but the pandemic has really slowed things down.<p>IMO: LinkedIn is bad at managing spam.
raydev将近 5 年前
I see a lot of complaints here about the News Feed, which I agree with, but I spend approximately zero minutes looking at it.<p>All I have to do on LinkedIn is exist and it&#x27;s led to some useful job connections and a few offers (which I ended up not taking).<p>Honestly, the tone in the post tells me this person is at a point in their career where they feel confident they can walk in anywhere and get a job. I don&#x27;t know if I&#x27;ll ever feel that way and I like recruiters reaching out to me.<p>Just don&#x27;t read the News Feed, and LinkedIn is good.
lma21将近 5 年前
I&#x27;ve had many positive experiences because of LinkedIn, whether noticing new interesting people or companies. Though most importantly, I got connected to good companies through LinkedIn and went through their recruitment process. I don&#x27;t think that would have been possible without it, unless I was actively applying and searching for a job myself. It&#x27;s not a bad thing to thrown with some new opportunity without being the one actively applying.<p>What would be the downside of keeping a LinkedIn profile?
Rafuino将近 5 年前
I don&#x27;t think there&#x27;s much value if you&#x27;re a SW developer. You have many ways to show off your work, but if you&#x27;re not in that field, hiring is much more based on word of mouth, credentials (ugh), or self-promotion.<p>I&#x27;m not a huge fan of LinkedIn, but the most it helps me is with understanding the background of someone I&#x27;m about to meet (even if internally since I&#x27;m at a huge company at the moment), or at least see what kinds of jobs are out there when I&#x27;m casually looking.
hnaccount02将近 5 年前
Just adding my $0.02. I was pretty neutral about LinkedIn for a long time. I just made one because a couple friends recommended it, but it was neither bad nor good for me. Later in my career, I actually had recruiters reaching out to me and I had old colleagues that I wanted to hear from&#x2F;reach. For my last job hunt, I was actually able to find an opportunity to nearly double my salary and shorten my commute. The feed is pretty meh, but I still think it&#x27;s useful having a footprint. YMMV
otar将近 5 年前
I can freely attribute my previous and current job, as well as my current partnership (emerged from the current job) to LinkedIn. I&#x27;ve been reached out by recruiters both times and apparently it did work out.<p>From another POV I understand the criticism, it&#x27;s been a while I haven&#x27;t visited LinkedIn, nor have I updated the profile, and it&#x27;s mostly caused by the &quot;noise&quot; I feel on social networks. But, it still can be beneficial for some professionals at a certain phase of their career.
cryptozeus将近 5 年前
Completely biased article.<p>“As everyone knows, LinkedIn is a glorified resume site. Nothing actually happens there (unless you are a recruiter or in enterprise sales?).”<p>This means op could not get any benefit out of an online tool, this does not mean nothing happens there. LinkedIn has been tremendously helpful to find my last 2 jobs. You have to know how to use it, specially the premium account. The market research aspect of it is amazing. I do not enjoy the social media aspect and the timeline approach. Stay away from that.
davidcollantes将近 5 年前
Never liked it. The first time I open a LinkedIn account, a long time ago, most of my connections were people I didn&#x27;t know. It seems--like with any other social media--people likes to see big numbers, and I connected with people I had no relation simply because I accepted their request.<p>The second time? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;collantes.us&#x2F;2019&#x2F;07&#x2F;29&#x2F;closing-linkedin&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;collantes.us&#x2F;2019&#x2F;07&#x2F;29&#x2F;closing-linkedin&#x2F;</a>
bengale将近 5 年前
LinkedIn could really do with a way to segment recruiters. I don&#x27;t know how that would work but I tend not to go on there an interact as most of my feed is recruiters either listing jobs I don&#x27;t care about or talking about the recruitment industry which I also don&#x27;t care about.<p>However, I still want to be connected to them, its useful for them to be able to reach out to me if they have something that aligns with my skillset, I just don&#x27;t need them in my feed I guess.
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cybert00th将近 5 年前
LinkedIn got me the job I&#x27;m currently in at this here publishing saltmine back in 2013, so I&#x27;m a little ambivalent about it - but only a little.<p>Let&#x27;s put it this way, in the beginning LinkedIn was useful - very useful, but as many commenters are noting here, it&#x27;s now become something wholly different from what it started out as.<p>I deleted my account a good few years ago now and I don&#x27;t regret it. And I doubt now that I would ever go back - even if I needed to find another job.
morberg将近 5 年前
I use LinkedIn as a Rolodex where the contact info is kept up to date by the people in it. Professional contacts only, and only people I’ve worked with or met through work.
joyj2nd将近 5 年前
Relevant and formerly on HN:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;theoutline.com&#x2F;post&#x2F;5495&#x2F;how-to-beat-linked-in-the-game" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;theoutline.com&#x2F;post&#x2F;5495&#x2F;how-to-beat-linked-in-the-g...</a><p>I closed my account over 8 years ago. Sometimes a business partner of mine is bitching that I don&#x27;t have a profile but that&#x27;s about it. I am not very successful but the successful people I know (speak XX-XXX MM USD) don&#x27;t have a profile there.
saos将近 5 年前
Fair enough.<p>Linkedin has helped me find and secure new roles. I do agree that its becoming that sort of FOMO experience when I think about. In fact thats why I deleted Facebook, Twitter and Instagram many years ago, which has positively helped me. But, I do feel like its turning into that Facebook experience. I do often reject those random Linkedin connection requests from time to time. Other than that I just play along with it. Use it when I need to use.
ayhoung将近 5 年前
I got my job at AWS from LinkedIn.
627467将近 5 年前
I share a lot of the commenters opinions: most of the toxicity (and intrusion) of social networks are due to... THE FEED. and they only affect us because we keep checking on them. Yes, they are engineered to &quot;make&quot; us go back over and over again to check for &quot;news&quot;, but if we are aware of that, there are (arguably convoluted) ways to minimize that effect. The following is my experience on how I dealt with facebook, but I have since applied to linkedin and others.<p>Years ago I started &quot;leaving&quot; facebook by just: not visiting it. I didn&#x27;t delete my account, I didn&#x27;t explicitly posted anything announcing what I was going to do. I just stopped visiting it.<p>Now, it wasn&#x27;t a trivial as that, because facebook will notify you, will email you, will send you messages reminding of everything I was missing out. So, along with the decision of &quot;leaving&quot; facebook I had to manually go and disable every way facebook could reach my attention. It took a while but it wasn&#x27;t hard: I disabled email alerts (or just filtered them straight to trash) whenever I received one. For years I didn&#x27;t have fb or messenger apps on my phone, or I would just disable them if I couldn&#x27;t remove them. Now, with more granular control over notification I may install them but disable notifications <i>entirely</i>. In fact, I take a similar approach to email. While I do receive visual notifications of email, I don&#x27;t get sound of vibration. In fact, my phone is in silent mode practically all day (I do have some rules that allow certain calls to breakthrough)<p>To me, gaining back control was about removing the ability of apps (and people) to digitally reach me whenever they felt like. And this is the core of my attitude with &quot;leaving&quot; social networks: it&#x27;s about controlling when I want to actively use them (as little as needed). So, deleting account feels (to me) as I gave up having control (and extracting the little benefit of a network).<p>Also, it&#x27;s not just about control how apps reach us.<p>It&#x27;s also about establishing the social boundaries with friends, family and acquaintances: socials networks are NOT how you can get my attention. you may get my attention, but don&#x27;t count on it. if you really need to find me you probably know how.<p>I still extract value from facebook&#x2F;ig&#x2F;linkedin on my own terms. But those companies probably get much less value out of me given their business models. I feel it&#x27;s alright. In fact, I feel (maliciously?) better in this approach.<p>I still get linkedin job offers, and I do respond to them, probably after a few days when I feel like checking.
keeganpoppen将近 5 年前
did this ~7 years ago; haven&#x27;t regretted it once. <i>have</i> been met with bemusement on many occasions when people ask for my linkedin, which amuses me. it&#x27;s always struck me as the most flagrant &quot;give my personal data to someone else to profit on for virtually no reason&quot; of all of the social networks. at least on Facebook i can talk to my friends...
sarah180将近 5 年前
I wouldn&#x27;t drop it altogether, but getting dozens of connection invites daily from people I&#x27;ve never met is very obnoxious. Even somebody from LinkedIn bizdev spammed me after I asked them to stop; I had to block them…. I&#x27;ve since adopted a &quot;have we directly interacted or had a known introduction?&quot; policy and refuse any other connections.
chaostheory将近 5 年前
What led me to killing my LinkedIn account back then was the near constant email notification spamming of nothing. It just kept asking me whether I worked with some stranger over and over again. Notifications of no importance and no relevance to me is the same reason why I stopped using Facebook. Same company, but Instagram was way better for that reason alone.
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robomartin将近 5 年前
One of the most perplexing things on LinkedIn is the terrible response rate to messages. No, I don’t mean spamming your connections. That’s not what I’m talking about.<p>In my experience, if you send a connection request to someone, they accept and you message them, you might receive a response in 5% of engagements.<p>My best guess is that people are accepting connections as a pavlovian response.
rapnie将近 5 年前
I hope someone picks up a project similar to CloutStream [0] meant to be the LinkedIn for the fediverse (but now dead).<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;git.feneas.org&#x2F;feneas&#x2F;fediverse&#x2F;-&#x2F;wikis&#x2F;watchlist-for-activitypub-apps#its-dead-jim" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;git.feneas.org&#x2F;feneas&#x2F;fediverse&#x2F;-&#x2F;wikis&#x2F;watchlist-fo...</a>
acd将近 5 年前
I think we are past peak social network. At the plateau of productivity whatever that means for social networks.<p>I think it’s healthy to question what value if any the network provides. Plus what kind of personal info you give away about yourself. Social network news feeds are designed like slot machines with random awards, so that you login and check it every now and then.
archon810将近 5 年前
I find LinkedIn immensely useful for finding out who works in certain roles at certain companies, then reaching out to them directly, say on Twitter, to report a bug in their software.<p>It&#x27;s been a proven strategy that works time and time again compared to the void that eats up bugs reported to large companies (if you can even figure out how to report one).
jeff_vader将近 5 年前
I sort of liked LinkedIn until they (like Facebook, twitter and others) made &quot;liking&quot; or commenting equivalent to sharing. There&#x27;s no distinction nowadays. And, as a result, my feed is now mostly recruiter memes. I also stopped reacting to any posts in any way since I don&#x27;t want all of my connections to see everything I do.
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sevensor将近 5 年前
I never really got into Facebook, but as far as I can tell LinkedIn is mandatory Facebook for work. TFA hit the nail on the head with &quot;I don&#x27;t want people to think I&#x27;m a weirdo&quot; being the reason to use LinkedIn. The only value in having the account is in not having to explain to colleagues why I don&#x27;t have one.
sdan将近 5 年前
I was thinking of closing my Linkedin, but it came down to this: Suppose I wanted to join a company &#x2F; get to know someone and didn&#x27;t realize that someone I already knew, knew them?<p>How could I figure out who knew who to give me warm intro w&#x2F;o Linkedin? For that reason I&#x27;m probably going to keep my Linkedin until I find it unnecessary.
game_the0ry将近 5 年前
This blog post comes off whiny and weak, with a tone of unearned moral and social superiority, all while making sweeping generalizations and false claims. The author used LI poorly, then complained publicly about being dissatisfied.<p>I get that randoms invites and messages are annoying, but the inconvenience shouldn&#x27;t outweigh the benefit from LI replacing resumes for professional branding.[1] The 1 page resume is an obsolete concept. LI is like a living resume, with the added benefit of having employers reach out to you.<p>The resume needs to die. LI should replace resumes. Maybe it will replace recruiters too (where hiring manager reach out to you directly).[2] But it won&#x27;t happen if you think like the author.<p>The flip side is waisting time by applying to job, and you&#x27;ll get ghosted either way.<p>Yes, the feed is annoying. Yes, sometimes recruiters suck. But those annoyances should be tolerable considering the benefits.<p>FWIW, I got a very good job from a recruiter that messaged me on LinkedIn. Great companies reach out to me bc I use LI effectively.[3]<p>[1] Yeah, I hate the word &quot;brand&quot; too. Pro tip - figure it out and use it to your advantage, bc you certainly wont be able to change it. This blog post is an example - the irony is that the author&#x27;s blog post will do more harm to his image than his LI profile ever did.<p>[2] Recruiters are not bad people. They&#x27;re hustling hard just like everyone else.<p>[3] How to use LI effectively: buzzwords, appropriate profile pic, readable, accept lots of recruiter connections so it looks like you&#x27;re popular and special.
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simonkafan将近 5 年前
Like any social network, the value you get out of it is the cumulative value your connections bring in (through news postings, recommendations, leads). If you don&#x27;t have much connections and the few you have are basically just celebrating themselves (&quot;look mum, I got promoted!&quot;) the value gain is limited.
millette将近 5 年前
Same here.<p>5-6 years ago, I started a website&#x2F;service (also closed, now) at the intersection of LinkedIn and GitHub. Then Microsoft bought the former. A few years passed, and they also bought the latter. It kind of justified my idea (not that those two services are being merged), but nonetheless I had to close my little initiative.
thelittleone将近 5 年前
I hadn&#x27;t checked LinkedIn for months. After reading this post I decided to login. First thing I saw was a post from a former colleagues hiring a position that fits my experience at one of the few companies I&#x27;d really love to work at. Messaged him on LinkedIn, spoke 15 minutes later and the process has begun.
okareaman将近 5 年前
Linkedin is absolutely useless after a person retires when it could be used to connect people to volunteer projects and meaningful non-profit groups looking for experienced free help. I&#x27;d go so far as to say it&#x27;s ageist because it sends the message that once you&#x27;re retired, you&#x27;re worthless.
say_it_as_it_is将近 5 年前
I want to make genuine new connections with people but it&#x27;s hard.<p>&gt; &quot;Hey, who is this random person contacting me? What does he <i>really</i> want? I better not entertain the possibilities.&quot;<p>If you&#x27;re on LinkedIn but you don&#x27;t wish to meet new people, you probably should do as the author did and close your account.
thrownaway954将近 5 年前
if you are looking for a job, linked in is invaluable. lots of recruiters i know, now check resumes against linkedin to see if there is anything dishonest going on. with that point, i find it very imperative that i keep me linkedin updated.<p>another thing i have found is that some job searching platforms (like indeed) allow you to import your linked in profile instead of uploading a resume. then you can import your indeed profile into ziprecruiter.<p>so when i was looking looking for a job, the first thing i did was get my linkedin profile updated and corrected. next i signed up for indeed and imported my linkedin profile to it. after that, i signed up for ziprecruiter and imported my indeed profile into that. now all my information was correct and up to date across all platforms.<p>not only that, but there are so many linkedin to resume builders out there.
ultim8k将近 5 年前
I got my last few good-paying contracts from LinkedIn, so I can&#x27;t complain. I&#x27;ve even started paying the premium plan. I know ...privacy and a lot of noise, can&#x27;t disagree. But that&#x27;s the price to pay if you want a career. Can&#x27;t become rich by living an easy and private life.
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NotSammyHagar将近 5 年前
He says people switch jobs around the 2 years time frame, which is surprising and short. Is that true, an avg say in tech? I have been doing that but I didn&#x27;t realize it was that common. In SF I&#x27;ve heard staying a year is the goal to get stock, then after that look for the next thing.
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droobles将近 5 年前
I only really get on LinkedIn when I need a job which I hope I don&#x27;t see any need for in a long, long time.<p>That said, LinkedIn got me my first job out of college and continues to provide opportunities, so I drop in once in a while to like colleagues&#x27; accomplishments when prompted. I see value in it.
thedanbob将近 5 年前
&gt; Having only 100 connections probably does more harm than good<p>Ha! I had probably an order of magnitude fewer when I closed my account in 2013. My motivation was their underhanded spamming of all my contacts with connection requests, but I guess it&#x27;s nice to know I didn&#x27;t miss out on anything.
bookmarkable将近 5 年前
I ran an experiment last year. I messaged over 100 of my 500+ LinkedIn connections with an invitation to reconnect and a link to book a call or in-person meeting. I got two responses - 2% success rate! - and zero followed through with even scheduling a call.<p>I’ll be deleting my profile soon, as well.
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shafyy将近 5 年前
I&#x27;ve deleted my LinkedIn several years ago, as it was annoying and didn&#x27;t bring any value to me. I do have a fake account to overcome their auth wall to see other people&#x27;s profiles (useful once in a full moon).<p>As others have said, LinkedIn should have stopped as a digital rolodex.
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ssm008将近 5 年前
I tried creating a LinkedIn profile some time ago. After having updated everything in the profile, it was restricted. To activate it again I have to verify my ID by sending pictures of my passport or something. I wonder which wire I tripped to get banned like that
teekert将近 5 年前
I also got&#x2F;get a lot of value out of LinkedIn, I see what my old classmates do and that helps a lot at approaching a new company. Also, our own recruiters use it to send me lists of applicants that I can judge with stars or yes&#x2F;no very fast. I like it.
wreath将近 5 年前
Thanks, I just needed a teeny tiny push for me to close it too. One less thing to think about it.
mothsonasloth将近 5 年前
I left LinkedIn over 2 years ago now, never looked back since. A lot of what I wrote is similar in theme - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tomaytotomato.com&#x2F;linkedout&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tomaytotomato.com&#x2F;linkedout&#x2F;</a>
lildata将近 5 年前
Just from a performance point of view, opening LinkedIn webpage is a traumatic experience. I&#x27;ve rarely seen something so slow &amp; heavy. It&#x27;s quite sad because LinkedIn gave birth to a lot of fantastic techs, such as Apache Kafka...
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philshem将近 5 年前
“If a LinkedIn account is deleted, and no one is there to hear it, does it still make a sound?”<p>(I previously deleted my account and then waited 12 months to see if anyone noticed. No one did. I did have to create a new one in order to create a company page.)
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bulka将近 5 年前
&quot;Finally, after I cofounded a company, I closed my LinkedIn account&quot;. It does seem that author never tried to use LinekdIn other than as an online copy of the CV. In my expirience it can be an ok job board replacement for example.
mark_l_watson将近 5 年前
I feel the almost same about LinkedIn as Facebook: I have privacy concerns and concerns about wasting my own attention&#x2F;time on those sites. My compromise is to keep my accounts but to spend less than 15 minutes per month on each site.
NietTim将近 5 年前
Did the same years ago, LinkedIn had next to 0 value for me. The only linkedin invites I still get are from a guy that I had a financial disagreement with <i>years</i> ago when I freelanced for him and who has blocked me on twitter. Heh.
jlokier将近 5 年前
Heh, I have my Hacker News profile listed as a main contact on LinkedIn.<p>Recently a recruiter who didn&#x27;t get a response on LinkedIn itself wrote an email, which began:<p><i>I&#x27;m writing because I found your Hacker News profile from your LinkedIn...</i><p>That just felt right somehow.
bigasscoffee将近 5 年前
Politely disagree. In my local market, my current job and other offers came through there. Working with recruiters made job searching extremely easy. It may not be for everyone, but in my city it worked&#x2F;works extremely well for me.<p>As always YMMV.
nickthemagicman将近 5 年前
Is social media addiction really that serious?<p>My solution to all social media is treat it as a rolodex and not GAF about it the rest of the time.<p>Why do people blame these companies for being the problem when there&#x27;s an element of personal responsibility involved?
magwa101将近 5 年前
Name, picture, background enforces instant bias in recruiting. This is a known fact. LinkedIn enables our perceptive biases. The feed that is full of thought leaders shouting how to be successful is just pablum for the drones.
Animats将近 5 年前
I got off LinkedIn years ago. I&#x27;m neither looking for work or hiring, so what&#x27;s the point? They used to have a questions section, like Stack Overflow, but when they dumped that, there was nothing to do there.
therealmarv将近 5 年前
If you are searching for a job there is no choice: Expose all your personal data everywhere on every job searching platform and job social network and confirm the usage of your data in every way.<p>It&#x27;s a privacy nightmare basically.
xavk将近 5 年前
&gt; I&#x27;m fairly certain LinkedIn has never helped me in my job search. This is likely not true for everyone, but I&#x27;d go so far as to say that unless your profile is exceptional for some reason, it probably does more harm than good. You and I are just another candidate in a tall stack—ie. our profiles are more useless information they can use to cross our name off.<p>This is exactly the problem that sparked us starting <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;otta.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;otta.com</a> - we speak to job seekers on a daily basis and the overwhelming feedback we hear is that LinkedIn really doesn&#x27;t <i>help</i> people. We&#x27;re doing our best to change that - just in London right now, and just for tech companies, but soon (hopefully) everywhere.
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era86将近 5 年前
I don&#x27;t know, I like keeping up with what my old co-workers are up to without actually hitting them up. It&#x27;s also my go-to place for job hunting. It seems like the most popular.
nottorp将近 5 年前
I don’t see what’s wrong with keeping a LinkedIn profile. Just turn off all notifications and ignore the corporate speak self promotion drivel in your feed.<p>This goes for any social networking site btw.
rodolphoarruda将近 5 年前
As a business developer, I see LinkedIn more like a business network than a job seek Website. LinkedIn favor networking above all, which eventually leads you to get a new job.
k__将近 5 年前
The good: I got good jobs from CEOs&#x2F;VPs<p>The bad: I didn&#x27;t really understand what to post there<p>The ugly: I got a bunch of messages by recruiters who didn&#x27;t read my profile and offered me crap.
bjarneh将近 5 年前
I still cannot believe they are trying to push that premium version on me. 14 years I&#x27;ve turned it down now. If it was free I still wouldn&#x27;t be interested.
markstos将近 5 年前
LinkedIn is on the top of my list of social networks I should quit next.<p>After being on the site for many years, I don&#x27;t think it helped me find a job or attract recruits.
unixhero将近 5 年前
LinkedIn generated offers for me. It&#x27;s all I can say.
rileyt将近 5 年前
If you are sick of recruiter spam, another useless feed, having your personal information sold to strangers and having to send links to your LinkedIn profile that looks like shit and has ads on it, you should check out <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;standardresume.co" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;standardresume.co</a>.<p>I&#x27;m one of the founders and it&#x27;s a super simple web resume builder. You can import your LinkedIn profile, pick a resume design that you like and publish it as a responsive website, in minutes.<p>We make money by charging for our product, not selling your personal information.
2rsf将近 5 年前
&gt; LinkedIn is a glorified resume site.<p>And what&#x27;s wrong with that ?
petters将近 5 年前
&quot;Having only 100 connections probably does more harm than good&quot;<p>Is this true? Does anyone care about this? Serious question.<p>Should I close my read-only Twitter account as well?
prepend将近 5 年前
This is curious to me as I’m not sure the benefit from deleting. If author stated some negative value, then that would make sense, but he doesn’t call out any real downsides that can’t be trivially mitigated.<p>I’ve found LinkedIn useful for learning about where previous colleagues are now working. I’ve also found it useful as a quick way to learn about people’s past experiences that might be relevant to the issue at hand.<p>I have turned off all notifications and only visit it when I need something. That is normally to add a contact to my Rolodex or to look someone up I’m meeting with.
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abjecton将近 5 年前
I never liked linkedin. There&#x27;s is a strange &#x27;race&#x27; of getting 500+ connections, even if you&#x27;re not connected at all to them
FpUser将近 5 年前
I just used LinkedIn to find some people I knew from before. In theory I could&#x27;ve done the same with Facebook but I am not using it.
quijoteuniv将近 5 年前
I am so glad people&#x2F;blog like this one that explain very clearly matters experienced by lot of us! Good job! Thanks for sharing.
danday将近 5 年前
My current employer&#x27;s internal recruiter found me randomly on linkedin. I wouldn&#x27;t have my job without being on there :)
kazinator将近 5 年前
&gt; <i>Nothing actually happens there</i><p>That is false; one thing that happens on LinkedIn is that you can find people from your distant past.
Damogran6将近 5 年前
There was never an underperforming employee of failed project on Linked-In.<p>That said, it got me two jobs, so it&#x27;s not ALL bad.
mcs_将近 5 年前
Congratulation!<p>I remember to close all my social networks when my daughter was two years old, about 12 years ago.<p>I will never know what I missed.
yepthatsreality将近 5 年前
I do this all the time and create a new one when I switch jobs. Otherwise I get near 0 benefit from LinkedIn.
cdmp将近 5 年前
I don&#x27;t have a LinkedIn profile.<p>The only obvious difference that&#x27;s made to my life is that I never get emails from my &quot;CEO&quot; asking me to drop what I&#x27;m doing and buy him some iTunes gift cards. Which is something my LinkedIn-using colleagues get fairly regularly.<p>LinkedIn is a huge centralised database of phishing targets. Whatever upside it might provide to the world, that&#x27;s a pretty big downside.
johnward将近 5 年前
The value of LinkedIn is getting contacted by clueless recruiters and &quot;wealth managers&quot; &#x2F;s
Havoc将近 5 年前
Much like FB I keep it open as a coms channel. Doesn&#x27;t mean I need to interact with it beyond that
bitwize将近 5 年前
You sure this isn&#x27;t because LinkedIn was recently revealed to be a festering cesspool of racism?
leriksen将近 5 年前
I couldn&#x27;t disagree more. He wants privacy, I don&#x27;t, at least as far as job opportunities.
robinduckett将近 5 年前
My linked in is a constant source of anxiety and is never a source of employment
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hidiegomariani将近 5 年前
linkedin has been an invaluable tool for me professionally. The day I&#x27;ll be able to delete it is when I&#x27;ll be retiring or not having to seek employment..
kup0将近 5 年前
It never helped me. Was very glad to get rid of my account.
RoutinePlayer将近 5 年前
Has this been posted to LinkedIn yet?
sk0v将近 5 年前
I really consider getting rid of my car. I bought it a year ago, but it&#x27;s only ever sat in the driveway, I never use it.<p>The funny meta-thing about his post, is that the content he feels adds 0 value, is in fact his own post. He is literally making a post about a tool he doesn&#x27;t use. It&#x27;s the equivalent of a person making a blog post about a tv series they don&#x27;t watch but have seen the trailer for; no actual value to add to the discussion about the topic.<p>This is valueless content.
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daodedickinson将近 5 年前
&gt;Hiring is broken. People leave their jobs every 2 years or less. The corporate work culture survives on people&#x27;s fears. If you don&#x27;t play by the rules of the people in power, how will you make money, how will you feed your family, how will you contribute to society? It&#x27;s a viscious cycle perpetuated by our willingness to outsource our values.<p>I&#x27;ve never worked for someone that didn&#x27;t love me for anything longer than a weekend gig. Was amazing in school all the way into the #1 ranked grad school for my major and when I got there... I realized even my assigned &quot;mentor&quot; did not care for me. I spilled my soul to her, after experiencing so much contempt and hate, and she had no fucking reaction whatsoever. No advice, no... nothing! These hateful fucks wanted over $60,000 a year to give me no advice, consolation, compassion, NOTHING!<p>After recovering from that, as a last ditch effort to obtain a career where I could afford a family I tried get a CS degree at the local uni that I could afford.<p>It&#x27;s a complete shitshow of no standards and professors would open their lectures with emails from graduates explaining how employers saw a degree from this school as worse than NOTHING. The &quot;weed out&quot; filter test after 2 years was such a fucking joke they gave us 3 hours and I aced it in 10 minutes and then resigned myself to taking a nap for the next 2 hours and 50 minutes until someone asked to leave and was let out so I learned even the bluff about not letting people out early so that they could message people still taking the exam was bullshit, too.<p>There were over 80 people taking CS in my cohort... I was one of only 3 that seemed competent, top guy, only one that actually stayed in CS was a sociopath who was constantly hacking and stealing from the university and local businesses and expecting to be lauded despite taking his plunder. Then there was a gal who decided to stick with mathematics and give up on the creepy CS department, prolly most of all for the creepy lecturer trying to get a Ph.D. talking about how the only real way to get money he could manage with the knowledge he was teaching us was with his porn sites, and how his personal hero is Howard Stern. After he was already under investigation for gender bias, she decided to stop trying in CS and just focus on math. So during the final exam, this guy realizes that there are only 3 females in this class of about 85 because any female willing and able to learn all this would be accepted and paid to go to far better schools... he&#x27;s been told that if the grades of the 82+ guys are much better than the 3 gals he will lose his job and Ph.D. spot... and then as he walks the room during the final he walks right to her and sees she hasn&#x27;t studied and doesn&#x27;t give a fuck because she finally decided on Math and not CS.<p>So he panics and starts just outright literally in earshot of the whole room telling her every answer and begging her to write it down on her test.<p>That&#x27;s when I decided to nope out of the major. They offered me a job Ph.D. spot and I went back to my janitor job for people who love me.<p>When they die I have no idea what I&#x27;ll do. My best friend is someone ten years older than me that I&#x27;ve never been within 2500 miles of, and sometimes he really creeps me out, but I have no one else to voice chat with or watch movies with IRL or online.<p>At work... lately I mostly think about how I&#x27;m drowning in sweat having to wear a mask all the time but also I often feel glad I&#x27;m not working on some tech thing I oppose, or having to hear hate speech against me like at school...<p>The bad thing is not being able to have an IRL relationship, much less family, but that&#x27;s due to a ton of factors... in the US, it was guaranteed by NSC 68, which reacted to the Soviet, communist goal of full employment of both men and women with trying to keep women in the workforce permanently (for the ultimate purpose of winning an arms race with the USSR) as they had been forced into it during WWII. According to this plan, the US dollar was devalued so that men AND women would have to work an hour each to obtain roughly the same relative purchasing power as one hour of work by a man before.<p>If someone wanted to keep goosing up the stock market and employment numbers further by various extrapolations upon this theme... anyone see where I&#x27;m going?
gerland将近 5 年前
Most of my best jobs came from LI leads, so I don&#x27;t really get the point. I find LI to be a more open and just system than hiring a guy that knows a guy, or forcing people into slavery in open source.<p>It&#x27;s not the hiring that is broken, but the tech industry itself. There is nothing that compares in how low a measurable value is priced in any other domain. It seems that the less you can put a price on something, the more people speculate that it is worth. There is probably some fancy economical law to follow, idk.
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swiley将近 5 年前
I quit using LinkedIn after realizing that just viewing pages spams people you know with emails... Talk about unprofessional.
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brendancahill将近 5 年前
I really enjoyed your article. LinkedIn seems to not know what it would like to be. Its initial model was good - bring resumes into the 21st century. But, in an era when one&#x27;s Twitter account or personal blog is considered &quot;the new resume&quot; what is LinkedIn&#x27;s value proposition anymore? Personally, I do like the platform, but I have found its users much less likely to respond&#x2F;interact with content or DMs than Twitter. Thanks!
growlist将近 5 年前
Me too. The level of corporate virtue signalling is beyond obnoxious to the point of becoming risible, but worse, I started seeing former colleagues that I respect buying into this Stepford Wives crap.
eplanit将近 5 年前
As a consultant, I find linked in useless; they&#x27;re only about fte. Dice.com has always been far more valuable.