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MuseScore 4: Moving from notation software to composition software

311 点作者 programLyrique将近 5 年前

23 条评论

scottious将近 5 年前
I&#x27;ve long been impressed with the progress that MuseScore is making and this seems like a huge jump forward.<p>&gt; Under the design direction of Martin Keary, we are making significant improvements to the interaction models and interface of MuseScore 4<p>For those interested, Martin Keary (aka Tantacrul on YouTube) creates these very impressive YouTube videos of reviews of music notation software. His reviews are usually very scathing, but an honest critique.<p>After his video reviewing MuseScore, the MuseScore team spent a lot of time addressing the issues he pointed out and eventually hired him!
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dry_soup将近 5 年前
Exciting news! This feels like a Blender 2.8-style project.<p>What&#x27;s funny about this is that a composer&#x2F;music YouTuber&#x2F;UX designer called Tantacrul meticulously roasted MuseScore&#x27;s UI on YouTube, and the MuseScore team ended up hiring him, leading to this project.<p>The video in question: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=4hZxo96x48A" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=4hZxo96x48A</a>
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bambax将近 5 年前
As an occasional user of MuseScore (which I like a lot), I&#x27;d be weary of them going down the DAW path. They really should focus on music notation.<p>There are already more DAWs than needed, some free, some inexpensive, and most of them pretty good.<p>It&#x27;s unlikely a MuseScore DAW will bring anything new to the scene, whereas on the music notation front they occupy a unique and very strong position (their competitors being either outrageously expensive or not good).<p>My two cents.
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tunesmith将近 5 年前
Open source music notation is a thankless job - notation is <i>hard</i>, and when you&#x27;re composing, you run into corner cases pretty quickly.<p>I&#x27;m personally a big fan of lilypond because I&#x27;m also a programmer (and I also like LaTeX, which has a similar model), and I love that with lilypond I get both superior output, and source files that I can track with git, which is great when I have different versions of some of my works - I can actually compile them.<p>Here&#x27;s a sample of a simple full-orchestra film cue I notated with lilypond which made me appreciate how easy it was to override default behavior: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;tunesmith&#x2F;TheForgivingSea&#x2F;blob&#x2F;master&#x2F;1M2&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;1M2.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;tunesmith&#x2F;TheForgivingSea&#x2F;blob&#x2F;master&#x2F;1M2...</a><p>Browsing the git repo above shows how scores and parts can be structured - from the same codebase, that repo can generate the parts for the individual orchestral instruments, similar to how many other notation packages can, except with lilypond I have total control. And it&#x27;s the only notation solution I&#x27;ve tried that makes me comfortable that I&#x27;ll have decades of compatibility - I can&#x27;t even open most of my old Finale&#x2F;Sibelius scores from college since I stopped paying for upgrades. Many composers also believe that Lilypond has the best engraving quality of all notation software.<p>But lilypond&#x27;s been stuck on MusicXML support for years, and with pretty poor sound output options. On the other hand, sound output isn&#x27;t a major priority for me, I usually use a sequencer or a piano to sketch out ideas, and I think there&#x27;s something of an impedance mismatch between notation and sequencing anyway.<p>For MuseScore to go in this direction implies that they must be thinking they&#x27;re already nailing the notation side. I&#x27;ll try it out at some point to see if the UI ease-of-use makes up for the other things it loses - maybe I can use it for lead sheets - but I kind of doubt they&#x27;re moving in a direction to be able to support serious composers.
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save_ferris将近 5 年前
I’ve lost a lot of faith in MuseScore over the last couple of years. Their UX still has some major warts over Finale that haven’t improved, and they completely screwed over their users by encouraging them to upload their compositions to MuseScore’s cloud library and then cutting off free access to the cloud library. They ginned up as much content as they could from users and then announced this huge change in access a few months later.<p>I’ve lost a lot of faith in this business model because early users get screwed the hardest and as time goes by, it’s harder and harder to justify using this app. Why is it that these projects so often promise the world early on only to continuously chip away at their own promises and undermine the faith of the community that gave them business to begin with?
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panpanna将近 5 年前
I feel they are on the wrong path.<p>Musescore has significant UX issues and things have been getting worse with each release. Instead of adding new complex functions that are already done better by others they should try to fix the basic things first.
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hexmiles将近 5 年前
they actually hired the person behind this video (tantacrul):<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=4hZxo96x48A" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=4hZxo96x48A</a><p>It criticize the user interface and experience of various music application. I find it very entertaining yet still informative
pier25将近 5 年前
I find this move a bit weird to be honest. It seems like they are targeting the wrong users. People interested in writing sheet music usually do not need a DAW. And if they do, they probably already have one.<p>Also, instead of focusing on polishing their product core (writing sheet music) they are diluting their efforts.
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lamby将近 5 年前
This actually represents a major and fundamental philosophical shift in the sense that it takes Musescore from being a tool of representation to a tool of creation. I may be overinterpreting this of course, but I am reading a lot into how this might be following (or bucking) a general trend in internet&#x2F;tech&#x2F;wider culture that could be characterised as favouring mediums and platforms of consumption over ones of curation… yet alone creation.
jancsika将近 5 年前
Does MuseScore have feature parity with Finale wrt notation? Essentially:<p>Speedy Entry or its equivalent (keypad-entry ftw)<p>An escape hatch for the user to paint their way out of all western notational edge cases (splayed stems, chord clusters, crazy slurs, etc.)<p>If it doesn&#x27;t have the first then you lose all the copyists (gotta go fast).<p>If you don&#x27;t have the second then you don&#x27;t get the contractors engraving Henle editions (because control over the score isn&#x27;t fine-grained enough).<p>Edit: I initially wrote &quot;reliable escape hatch&quot; but removed reliable-- at least when I was using it, many of Finale&#x27;s workaround tools were buggy. Stuff like dragging a shape and the shape drifts away from the pointer the further you drag it from the origin. But you could power through the bugs and eventually get exactly what you want and print it out.
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jcpst将近 5 年前
For those that are not afraid of using a DSL to generate scores, Lilypond is great.<p>Much like using graphviz to generate workflows, you can just hop in an editor and start typing out your score, creating reusable chunks along the way. There is also a decent live-reload style editor called Frescobaldi.
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unicornfinder将近 5 年前
I&#x27;m mostly just impressed by how many improvements they&#x27;ve made to their UI since hiring Tantacrul.
ThouYS将近 5 年前
&quot;the first step in achieving this expanded focus&quot;, haha I know this one, the &quot;expanded focus&quot;.<p>I hope they can pull it off, MuseScore 3 is amazing!
TeaDude将近 5 年前
Holy moly! As a big user of midi (I&#x27;m trying to make music for embedded platforms) the sequencer is a KILLER feature.<p>I&#x27;ve used LMMS in the past as I still find it much easier to compose with a sequencer than an actual music sheet but the major flaw is it&#x27;s midi export not exporting the instruments meaning I have to touch it up in Aria Maestosa.<p>Ps. The musescore soundfont is probably the highest quality open source one out there, not a single instrument sounds wrong. It&#x27;s my goto soundfont for composing
fenwick67将近 5 年前
Oh man, I could have really used the sequencer when I took my music composition classes in college. Finale and Sibelius are not conducive to actually writing music.
alphabetter将近 5 年前
The thing the most frustrates me about Musescore is the core dev-teams irrational refusal to add scroll-bars to the score panel (even as an option). Requests in the past have always been met with a “you are doing it wrong” response <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;musescore.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;node&#x2F;268908" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;musescore.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;node&#x2F;268908</a><p>Has new input on the design changed this approach?
prvc将近 5 年前
Want to add that they really need to revamp their note entry process, which is very unpleasant and inefficient, and necessarily involves a lot of backtracking and redundancy. I hope this is included in the next version.
TomMasz将近 5 年前
I&#x27;ve used MuseScore on and off, mostly because it&#x27;s UI frustrates me and gets in the way. It&#x27;s powerful, but it needs a way to make simple notation easy. If they&#x27;re truly going to make it better for casual users, I&#x27;m all for it.
abjecton将近 5 年前
Exciting times. I appreciate the team&#x27;s work on creating such high quality software. It doesn&#x27;t feel like some random open source software. But it&#x27;s always a work in progress, at the same time.
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severak_cz将近 5 年前
Sounds very promising for me as a man who cannot read musical notation at all. :-)<p>I am looking for some software which will do something like MIDI -&gt; notation transformation.<p>PS: Sibelius crashed!
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TuringNYC将近 5 年前
I just checked out the product site, this seems extensive and impressive. How do you make money?
ttflee将近 5 年前
&gt; We have moved to the new code style.<p>Finally.
adamnemecek将近 5 年前
I&#x27;ve been working on an IDE for music composition <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;ngrid.io" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;ngrid.io</a>. I&#x27;ll release it soon.
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