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Do the Real Thing

272 点作者 reedwolf将近 5 年前

24 条评论

zomglings将近 5 年前
Definitely agree with the article, and would like to offer a useful supplement to &quot;doing the real thing&quot;: &quot;watch someone very skilled do the real thing&quot;.<p>Watching a pro can really accelerate skill acquisition because it will expose you to high quality ideas that would have been difficult to develop on your own.<p>Want to get better at Backgammon&#x2F;Chess&#x2F;Go? Play a lot of games (at various time controls). Yes. But also watch professional players and read their analyses of games.<p>Want to get better at programming? Write a lot of programs. Yes. But also read a lot of high quality code written by others.<p>Want to become a better mathematician? Spend your time mastering mathematical knowledge and techniques. Yes. But also spend some time trying to get in the heads of the masters - learning their patterns of thought at the mathematical and meta-mathematical levels.<p>The increased accessibility of this kind of content is one of the greatest achievements of the internet.
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hymnsfm将近 5 年前
Possibly an over-simplification. Take this example: I want to sight-sing hymns. I know a bit of music theory but it&#x27;s been cobbled together over the past year in an haphazard fashion. I pick up a hymnal to sing the first hymn and immediately need to look up the key signature (I never memorized them). Then I see the hymn is 12&#x2F;8 time and realize I only superficially covered rhythm and time signatures. I go on YouTube to refresh my memory. This is before being able to sing a single note.<p>When I do attempt to sing, my mind&#x27;s ear says I&#x27;m way off (even when I&#x27;ve never heard the hymn before). I&#x27;m not hitting the notes. So now I need to learn solfège and music intervals.<p>Doing the &quot;real thing&quot; requires having the tools and basic skillset first. I suggest the opposite of this article: break the goal down into manageable parts and work the periphery. Get some small wins. Then you can realistically take on the &quot;real thing&quot;. There may be no other way.
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abraae将近 5 年前
As with all good advice, this reads well and makes sense but the devil is in the details.<p>&gt; Eric Barone, who went on to sell millions of copies of his game, overcame his struggles at creating art by making and remaking the art assets for his game dozens of times.<p>To someone else, frigging around with their art assets and remaking then over and over again could be the very definition of not doing &quot;the real thing&quot;.
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gfodor将近 5 年前
You gotta do both. Research, analyze, digest, and then execute. With time, you can reduce the duration of the cycle. Taking the first step often requires a lot of research and thinking, and then a lot of execution to go from zero to one. Then, iterate, with shorter cycles. Failing to think is as much a problem as failing to execute, you have to balance it.
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imheretolearn将近 5 年前
Recently, (or maybe it&#x27;s just me) I have seen a surge of articles providing advice on $Thing. Most of these articles seem to me an expansion of aphorisms which people have been saying since time immemorial. This reminds of the saying,<p>&quot;Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.&quot;<p>Such articles can be compressed into a common adage that most people are aware of.
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aazaa将近 5 年前
&gt; People trying to get in shape who buy fancy workout gear instead of exercising.<p>Translating this idea to learning a programming language, the best way to learn a language is to apply it to something real, almost immediately. Following tutorials has a use, but you&#x27;ll get a lot more out of it after having flailed around trying to make the most ridiculously minimal version of something you really want to build.<p>This is one of the main problems with science education. In most cases, there&#x27;s nothing like the &quot;flail around&quot; stage while you try to do something applied but which you are desperately underqualified to do.
zexodus将近 5 年前
This article reminds me that I don&#x27;t really know what I want to do in the first place.
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Kye将近 5 年前
After tens of thousands of photos, hundreds of songs, and millions of words, I can confirm that doing the thing is more effective than aimless research and analysis. The doing guides the learning.
m463将近 5 年前
I&#x27;m glad there&#x27;s this internet website that can make me <i>feel</i> like I know what the best way to do something (without the inconvenience of actually like DOING it).<p>(which is the problem described)
jkhdigital将近 5 年前
I’m in the middle of listening to Scott Young’s book <i>Ultralearning</i>, and honestly this article captures the most important idea. 90% of becoming an “ultra learner” is having the courage to tackle the real thing immediately; the rest is just tactics.
closeparen将近 5 年前
C25K does not start with a marathon. Skiing lessons do not start on a black diamond. Intro CS does not start by writing an OS. Skill development is an incrementalist game for patient people. I&#x27;ve made much more progress by finding a sustainable pace and chipping away over time, than by trying to conquer something in a weekend.<p>Natural language acquisition is kind of a special case here, in that you are <i>actually</i> wired to do this one from scratch.
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Animats将近 5 年前
For a contrary view, see &quot;This is It&quot;.[1] (The one from the US Navy, not the one from the dead singer.) It&#x27;s the story of four pilots who didn&#x27;t take their training seriously enough.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com.&#x2F;watch?v=fNBwBHTWec4" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com.&#x2F;watch?v=fNBwBHTWec4</a>
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SamBorick将近 5 年前
My takeaway from this is to always try for the thing that is just out of reach.<p>Doing what&#x27;s comfortable isn&#x27;t going to lead to growth. At the same time, as others in this thread say, doing things that are radically out of reach is too likely to fail without a good foundation.<p>Learning is in the struggle, so find something that is a little harder than you think you can handle.
ookdatnog将近 5 年前
This is the kind of advice that, for one person, might be exactly what they need, and for another it might be the exact opposite of what they need. For example, Christopher McCandless dove head-first into the real thing (that is, surviving without help in the Alaskan wilderness), without proper preparation and training, and died. He didn&#x27;t have to, he could have built up to it gradually by training various survival skills (aka &quot;faking&quot; it).<p>Also, the author claims that the difference between &quot;doing the real thing&quot; and faking it is what success largely boils down to. That is a completely wild claim, with of course not a shred of evidence to back it up. Does the author really believe that this is a necessary and largely sufficient condition for success?
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ajani将近 5 年前
Also by the same guy <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.scotthyoung.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;sales-pages&#x2F;learn-more-study-less&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.scotthyoung.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;sales-pages&#x2F;learn-more-stud...</a><p>Quite spammy.
booleandilemma将近 5 年前
Want to learn heart surgery? Start by doing the real thing.
oklol123将近 5 年前
No shit that doing something makes you better at something. Hacker news turns more into an advertisement orgy every day
blickentwapft将近 5 年前
This really hit the mark.
emsal将近 5 年前
This kind of writing makes me upset.<p>* It&#x27;s really self-important. Not only is it selling you on a particular strategy for attaining success, it also tries to sell success in things like public speaking and doing architectural work as an absolutely important part of one&#x27;s life, and that implicitly a person&#x27;s existence is invalidated if they aren&#x27;t constantly trying to achieve this kind of success. It doesn&#x27;t do it explicitly but the very notion of &quot;real&quot; and &quot;fake&quot; and other words like &quot;wasted&quot; complete with the trite diagrams showing that &quot;hey, all your efforts are going into this small circle&quot; give a very strong implicit value-judgement of the reader.<p>* There&#x27;s no proof. I don&#x27;t know if I&#x27;m on the mark with this one, but I think that the act of omitting any sort of data about measuring the outcome of success when taking different approaches seems to imply to the reader that the argument should just &quot;make sense&quot; i.e. it&#x27;s a truth that the reader already knows, they should just find it within their own observations in order to understand it. Here, have a handful of anecdotes to top it all off in case you weren&#x27;t convinced. Overall this just feels like it&#x27;s made to make the reader feel a certain way (motivated) rather than actually teach them any solid information.<p>* What even is real and fake? The readers are given a bunch of examples and then we&#x27;re left on our own to figure out what falls into which category. Someone commented on the article saying that if someone wanted to watch and understand anime in Japanese, they could just do that and that&#x27;d be the real thing, with the fake thing being taking the time to learn Japanese. This is obviously not going to be successful, so at this point the author&#x27;s prescription has failed as a framework for achieving success.<p>---<p>This kind of fiery motivational content could be harmful as much as it is useful. It&#x27;d be fine if an article, devoid of substance as it may be, was only meant to make readers feel motivated, but the problem is that this kind of fiery motivational content does different things for different readers. A person in a bad, self-loathing emotional state could be rendered feeling even worse, thinking that everything that they&#x27;re doing at present is fake while everything that their peers are doing are more real, even when that&#x27;s blatantly untrue. The devil&#x27;s in the details and personally, I&#x27;m not going to let myself get affected by this personal philosophy if the case for it is this weak.
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trwhite将近 5 年前
One variant of this is &quot;Do the Hard Thing&quot; and not just that but do the hard thing <i>first</i>.
bobthechef将近 5 年前
Anyone else notice how the first diagram contains the word &quot;SEX&quot;?
trevyn将近 5 年前
Also— do what makes you happy, not what you think will make you happy. ;)
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hejja将近 5 年前
to me, it feels overly optimistic in 2 ways.<p>1. it makes the assumption that failure is always positive<p>self improvement dogma: &quot;fail faster, you learn from each failure&quot;<p>peter thiel: &quot;each failure is a tragedy, it is multivariate and therefore often too complex to truly learn from&quot;<p>2. dunning kruger syndrome and learning something &quot;the wrong way&quot; is possible in more than one field.<p>Overall it was a nice read though
zeckalpha将近 5 年前
Praxis.