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Ask HN: As a dev, what are the major anti-competitive issues with App Stores?

6 点作者 getpolarized将近 5 年前
The issue with Hey being blocked by Apple has made me want to build a central list of issues that are problematic and anti-competitive and place a harsh burden on independent developers:<p>https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theverge.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;6&#x2F;18&#x2F;21296180&#x2F;apple-hey-email-app-basecamp-rejection-response-controversy-antitrust-regulation<p>I think a short list would be:<p>- requiring &#x2F; forcing the use of their APIs - arbitrary reasons for termination of your app - when deleting + restoring your app all reviews are lost - No ability for developers to report false reviews<p>... this has been evolving for a decade or more so would be nice to hear what you guys thing as I&#x27;m sure I&#x27;m missing some.

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davidajackson将近 5 年前
The fact that if Apple ever copies you, they will have a 30% margin over you (&amp; 15% after first year) with subscriptions. Not sure if you have them listed but Spotify made a big deal of this and even hired some animators to make this video:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=FyZ5jzxsCmw" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=FyZ5jzxsCmw</a><p>As far as I understand Apple basically said, &quot;we do the work to maintain the app store&quot; which is true, but Spotify sure put a lot of effort into that video. 30% IMO is too high. Discussion: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=19377322" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=19377322</a>
hibiscus4156将近 5 年前
Not exactly relevant but thought you may find interesting. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youdownloadtheappanditdoesntwork.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youdownloadtheappanditdoesntwork.com&#x2F;</a>
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zepto将近 5 年前
Is anyone interested in also building a list of the positives?<p>There is a general call for the dismantling or regulation of the App Store or forcing it to be possible to install other app stores.<p>If we are going to list the burdens, we should also list the benefits.<p>For example - preventing governments from forcing privacy destroying apps on people. E.g. the UK is now using Apple and Google’s decentralized API rather than sending everyone’s location data to Palantir.<p>Forcing the use of APIs, also protects the user against resource misuse - I.e. app that drain the battery or waste bandwidth etc.<p>Any notion of a ‘burden’ is relative to some counterfactual.<p>Do we mean the burden would be reduced if we were dealing with more stores?<p>Or do we mean compared to how things were before there was an App Store?<p>Or do we mean we want the government to make the rules rather than Apple?<p>Apple is imperfectly protecting consumers from various kinds of harm done by bad developers.<p>In other industries when there is no store or trusted broker the government ends up regulating the suppliers with licensing.<p>Would you prefer to need a software development license and liability insurance over complying with Apple’s rules?<p>What’s your opinion of cookie dialogs on every web app?<p>That’s the direct result of the web being an open space that is regulated by governments rather than Apple.
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factorialboy将近 5 年前
The very fact that an App Store is the ONLY way for a normal user to install an app. That itself is restrictive and anti competitive.
andrefuchs将近 5 年前
Some important APIs are only available for Apple and not for 3rd party developers. See the recent Spotify vs Apple conflict.