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Saying thanks: testing a new Reactions feature

71 点作者 bprasanna将近 5 年前

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throwaway4666将近 5 年前
The main issue I&#x27;ve had with SO, which while anecdotal seems to reflect the sentiment of a lot of people on here whenever the subject is brought up, is that it&#x27;s infected with the YX problem.<p>Now you guys probably know the XY problem (asking the wrong question X to when you really want to solve the problem Y). The YX problem, on the other hand, goes like this:<p>User: &quot;Hi, how do I do Y?&quot;<p>SO: &quot;Why do you want to do Y?&quot;<p>User: &quot;Because I want to do [use case]&quot;<p>SO: &quot;Are you sure you don&#x27;t want to do X instead?&quot;<p>User: &quot;No I don&#x27;t, I have this constraint and this use case so I&#x27;m pretty sure this isn&#x27;t about X and I really want to do Y.&quot;<p>SO: &quot;Are you sure this isn&#x27;t a duplicate of [some question involving X]?&quot;<p>User: &quot;No it&#x27;s not, the question while similar doesn&#x27;t have the same constraint or usecase and I have searched SO for a while for questions that specifically involved these and didn&#x27;t find any so I really need to do Y.&quot;<p>SO: &quot;Wow, I can&#x27;t possibly imagine why you, for a use case you&#x27;ve examined for a while and which I have been made aware of five minutes ago, could possibly want to do Y while not doing X. I don&#x27;t know and I rest my case. A solution to Y probably doesn&#x27;t exist anyway.&quot;<p>Answerer: &quot;Hi to do Y you have to do this [hacky snippet]&quot; (answer accepted)<p>User: &quot;Cool, thanks!&quot;<p>SO: &quot;This is <i>bad</i> practice and I don&#x27;t condone it. It shouldn&#x27;t be upvoted or the accepted answer.&quot;<p>--------<p>Of course this is the optimistic scenario, where the question <i>does</i> get eventually answered.
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kjhughes将近 5 年前
For a long time now, StackOverflow has lost its way.<p>Their voting system began as an outstanding mechanism to separate the QA wheat from the chaff. It evolved and improved organically. It provided a much needed means to surface the best questions and answers, and it provided a sort of incentive system, however imperfect, whereby contribution quality could be quantified.<p>Then something happened. I think a major part of the problem was that leadership lost its way in guiding the system&#x27;s evolution. Rather than continuing to evolve the scoring system to better reflect the quality of contributions, at some point they seemed to adopt the outlook that improvements were futile: It would always be possible to game the system such that scores would never approach true quality of contribution, so why try? I believe this was a mistake.<p>Evolution from there ignored the scoring system. They went off in failed Documentation efforts. They focused on &quot;being nice&quot;. They fought with their own volunteer moderators. They seemed to look everywhere else but the origin of their initial strength: Community contribution fairly rated in a manner that allowed good moderation to scale. They should have continued to improve this system to root out the problems of over-eager closure and popularity dominating whatever prefered qualities the community would have liked to have seen measured.<p>An adjunct &quot;thank you&quot; mechanism that&#x27;s redundant to the voting system is a sign that those in control do not appreciate the merit of, and do not know how to evolve, the voting system.
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ChrisMarshallNY将近 5 年前
My main issue with SO is that it has become a rather &quot;snippy&quot; place. The &quot;be nice&quot; ethos just means that the nasty is more eloquent.<p>It&#x27;s now quite painful to ask questions, there, because someone will pretty much <i>always</i> ding it. Usually, you have no idea why, or who. In fact, that happened to me just a day or so ago.<p>Also, I think that downvoters should be notified when the question&#x2F;answer is edited, so they can review if the downvote still applies.<p>I once trolled a community (not SO) by writing an obviously inflammatory post, getting a gazillion downvotes, then editing it to be very reasonable, so everyone was on record as having downvoted a very decent post. Petty, but fun (They did not have edit records for posts, but you could see what users up&#x2F;downvoted).<p>I like the idea of a &quot;Thank You&quot; reaction, but that&#x27;s really just porcine lip gloss.<p>I think that it would be more valuable to <i>require</i> an explanation for a downvote, even if anonymously. I would have no problem telling folks why I downvoted a question or answer (in fact, when I do, I add a comment, mentioning the reason, unless it is blatantly obvious). As is evident by my HN profile, I am making a point of standing behind what I post. I got rid of my last anonymous Internet account months ago.<p>Standing behind my words has helped me to be a bit more careful about what I post, and that&#x27;s a good thing.
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IfOnlyYouKnew将近 5 年前
I&#x27;m Stackoverflow user #823 or so and still in the top 4% of reputation, and...I don&#x27;t get how the narrative has turned against SO.<p>I visit the site once or twice a day, and probably write two answers per month, which should make a decidedly average user. And for the life of me I could not tell you what people are complaining about?<p>I still find answers there more often than anywhere else, so whatever is supposedly broken doesn&#x27;t seem to affect the primary function too much. The imaginary points still mostly point in the right direction. If happened to feel they diverged from perfect meritocracy I would try really hard to care about real problems, instead. Failing that, I would hopefully manage not to complain about it too obnoxiously, fearing it would make me look childish.<p>And then, much like Github, they seem to have committed the cardinal sin of tech communities of mildly opining that maybe racism or whatever isn&#x27;t something they personally want to support with their work, which gets them into all kinds of strange arguments with one sort of people who are obviously not racists but just feeling the urge to defend some grand principle they just came up with, like ethics in game journalism.<p>Github is a very similar example: they single-handedly got millions of people to contribute to open source code, and made working in this ecosystem <i>so much better</i>, compared to source forge and various crappy custom systems that came before it. StackOverflow similarly replaced the most obnoxious, google-spamming, click-baiting, sign-up-to-see-the-answer grifters, and I will forever be thankful for their contribution.
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eugenekolo将近 5 年前
The problem with SO is that it tries to be two things. One is a reference&#x2F;encyclopedia of questions, and answers. And the other is a welcoming place to ask for help. Those two don&#x27;t seem to line up 100%.<p>It&#x27;s clear the old school moderators seem to think of SO as a reference, but the company itself wants to view it as a place to seek help.
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haolez将近 5 年前
I wonder what happens when you have a successful product that doesn&#x27;t need any more tinkering but you still have a lot of people working on it. Maybe this is it :)
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woogley将近 5 年前
Some pretty thorough discussion on Meta: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;meta.stackoverflow.com&#x2F;questions&#x2F;398367&#x2F;feature-test-thank-you-reaction" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;meta.stackoverflow.com&#x2F;questions&#x2F;398367&#x2F;feature-test...</a>
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aarongray将近 5 年前
This is stupid. Why not give people a way to actually say thanks without cluttering up the comments? A real thank you written by a human is much more touching and encouraging than a clapping icon with a counter on it. The article starts with a beautiful image of real thank you’s, and then immediately turns around and implies that clicking a clap button is the same thing?<p>These kind of things are what dehumanizes the internet, they don’t make for better human connections. It’s also basically the exact same as the current upvote icon. A way to send a message to the author privately saying thanks seems much more touching. Or even a hidden “thank you’s” list of grateful words that can be expanded on the question but that is hidden by default. Either of those would be better than this weird duplication of robotic thank you’s.
mangatmodi将近 5 年前
How is it different from upvoting an answer? People who want to write will still write thanks, I already found some posts on the home page with thanks comment and the feature.<p>Also what about the change in reputation when being thanked? It should be there in the blog post.
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fbelzile将近 5 年前
I&#x27;m more curious about what caused the recent spike in &quot;thank&quot; showing up in questions and answers. 19% -&gt; 23% in a couple months seems statistically significant.<p>Did the pandemic&#x2F;lock down cause a slew of newer developers that are generally more appreciative?
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soheil将近 5 年前
The combination of Google + SO always seemed too good to me compared to most everything else on the Internet. It just works really well. I think this is the closest thing we have to mind reading at least when it comes to programming problems. It&#x27;d be shame for it to go away be it SO doing more and more dumb shit like adding touchy feely bs like &quot;thank you&quot; mechanism or Google being hit by antitrust into oblivion.
einpoklum将近 5 年前
Thanks, but no thanks. See my (slightly) longer post here:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;meta.stackoverflow.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;398494&#x2F;1593077" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;meta.stackoverflow.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;398494&#x2F;1593077</a><p>(and the rest of the discussion there.)
seph-reed将近 5 年前
Perhaps a new user sandbox would make sense. A place where new users can work together to triage each-others questions into something good enough.<p>If SO was a video game, it&#x27;d make sense to have newbies team up.
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jp1016将近 5 年前
new comment : thanks for adding the &#x27;thanks&#x27; button