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I Just Hit $100k/year On GitHub Sponsors

1469 点作者 calebporzio将近 5 年前

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Ndymium将近 5 年前
Reading these makes me sad about the law in my country, Finland. The lowest tier of OP ($7 for no reward) would be illegal here.<p>We have a law called &quot;Money Collection act&quot;, which states that to gather donations (i.e. payments with nothing in return), you have to get a permit. This permit costs money, is not given to individuals, and is given only for non-profit activities.<p>So this means that if you see a donation&#x2F;sponsorship button on a software project where the money goes to a Finnish person, it is illegal (unless they have obtained a permit, which is highly unlikely). If you see a patreon&#x2F;sponsorship with rewards, it&#x27;s a grey area. The only clearly legal way is by selling actual things, and of course then you quickly need to set up a business.<p>I host a free project myself and I&#x27;ve had to set up a business (sole proprietorship) and sell things in order to get money for server costs. Even though people have been interested in donating, I can&#x27;t do that legally.
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kemitchell将近 5 年前
The more individual developer stories I look into on Sponsors or Patreon or wherever, the more I see a recurring pattern. The vast majority of developers don&#x27;t make any significant money. The outliers that do use the platform as a general-purpose payment processor. They take donations, but they also sell things. The line between isn&#x27;t terribly clear.<p>The platforms help style all the payments as &quot;donations&quot; or &quot;sponsorships&quot; or &quot;patronage&quot;. That avoids harshing the project vibe with overtly commercial overtones that turn off the financially immature and preternaturally entitled. But in reality, they&#x27;re often really payments for products, services, access, and so on. Some people do simply donate, usually small dollars, and don&#x27;t receive or care about &quot;perks&quot;. Others buy the perks on offer specifically, as a simple exchange. Somewhere in between, people and companies may be inspired by donation-like feelings, but use the benefits to get their payments approved and expensed.<p>It&#x27;s hard to draw any broad conclusion from outliers. But it all points to there being strange value in muddying the concept of paying developers with a lot of ambiguity, on both the buy side and the sell side. It&#x27;s like one of those statues that looks like one thing from one angle, and something completely different from another.
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drummer将近 5 年前
&gt;Now, people watching the screencasts will naturally encounter these “private” screencasts and if they like the free ones, they will sponsor me (at $14&#x2F;mo.) to get access.<p>Why are we calling this &#x27;sponsoring&#x27;? It just factually is selling a product to people for a specific amount. Sponsoring&#x2F;donating is more like people giving money for something that would otherwise be free. Otherwise Microsoft could also require a 500 usd &#x27;sponsorship or donation&#x27; for a Surface Go. And requiring it monthly is just plain subscription service payment.
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phodge将近 5 年前
Joel Spolsky does a good job of explaining what&#x27;s actually happening here in his old &quot;Strategy Letter V&quot; from 2002 [1].<p>Caleb hasn&#x27;t discovered some secret means of convincing people to pay for OSS they can download for free. What he&#x27;s done is create a commodity (the open source package) and then once it&#x27;s popular, make a tidy profit off its complimentary product (training videos).<p>Unfortunately it&#x27;s still true that people generally won&#x27;t pay for software they can download for free, but if you&#x27;re willing to dip into some other types of work (e.g. consulting, creating training videos) then you can make more than enough profit top keep going indefinitely.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.joelonsoftware.com&#x2F;2002&#x2F;06&#x2F;12&#x2F;strategy-letter-v&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.joelonsoftware.com&#x2F;2002&#x2F;06&#x2F;12&#x2F;strategy-letter-v&#x2F;</a>
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sytelus将近 5 年前
I hate sponsorware concept OP is proposing. It seems to work for him but it’s opposite to the spirit of open source. His idea is that keep code secret until you find N sponsors. Further, he will hide important tutorials if you are not sponsor. I would hate to use this kind of open source project.<p>Here is more viable freelancing:<p>- create framework&#x2F;library that everyone needs<p>- for feature requests&#x2F;bug fixes, prioritize sponsors<p>- do office hours for sponsors<p>- invite sponsors&#x2F;allow them to vote for future road map<p>- offer consulting credit to sponsors
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bluedino将近 5 年前
Comparing $90k as a W2 employee doesn&#x27;t really compare to making $112k as a LLC or contractor. Taxes, health insurance, retirement...<p>On the other hand, his amounts are going up, so I&#x27;m interested to see how high they will go, and what it will consistently level out at.
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NickBusey将近 5 年前
I hit $500&#x2F;yr on Patreon this week for my open source work! :)<p>Nice work, I should think about having paid only videos as well, I believe I can do that pretty easily on Patreon. Good tips in here.
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vmception将近 5 年前
&gt; Here’s how Sponsorware works:<p>&gt; Create a cool piece of software<p>&gt; Make it exclusive to people who sponsor you until you reach a certain number of sponsors<p>&gt; Then open source the project to the world<p>This is how ICOs worked, for the teams that actually delivered anything. Without any other monetization path they resorted to taking presales of tokens shoehorned in convulated ways into products that didn&#x27;t need them, but frequently involved open source code for a community. This resulted in many misaligned interests for people that eseentially were sponsors.<p>It&#x27;s nice to see the same sentiment reflected in other parts of the tech industry in a way that more people respect and can relate to.
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wongarsu将近 5 年前
His data clearly shows most &quot;sponsors&quot; only sponsor him to view his webcasts. Is it really right to call that a sponsorship, as opposed to a subscription? What are the legal implications? (and yes, I&#x27;m aware that this is how most of patreon works too)
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tluyben2将近 5 年前
The sponsorware idea was something we also want to do;<p>- add sponsors as collaborators in the project<p>- give sponsors access to all versions from the get-go<p>- set a $ limit, when reached, will trigger full open-sourcing of the project<p>- have public sponsor income page where people can follow the progress
rsweeney21将近 5 年前
Sponsoring the official screencasts&#x2F;educational content for an open source project is a great idea. I run a company[1] that provides a service targeted at software engineers and I&#x27;d pay several hundred to several thousand a month to have a 30 second promo at the start of a video, depending on the size of the project.<p>Is there a website out there where I can find content I can sponsor?<p>Also, keep in mind that when you are self employed you need to make 20-30% more than your salary as an employee if you want the same take home pay. That covers the extra self-employment tax you have to pay, health insurance, business insurance, etc. If you charge by the hour, you might find this article on how to calculate an hourly rate helpful: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;help.facetdev.com&#x2F;docs&#x2F;how-do-i-calculate-my-hourly-rate" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;help.facetdev.com&#x2F;docs&#x2F;how-do-i-calculate-my-hourly-...</a><p>[1] Shameless plug: www.facetdev.com
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jfengel将近 5 年前
Props. Well done.<p>The thing that struck me most was the podcast appearance. I was distantly affiliated with the music industry at one point and I saw over and over the value of being in the right place at the right time. Great bands languish because they just weren&#x27;t seen.<p>I don&#x27;t mean to diminish the work, either the technological or the effort of finding sponsors. I just want to caution about extrapolating success stories to utopianism. Success is more random than we&#x27;d like to believe, and there is a risk when failure leads to victim blaming.
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ocdtrekkie将近 5 年前
The IRS website sometimes uses exact dollar amounts of reported tax information as identity verification. Author <i>probably</i> should replace screenshots of tax forms with rough figures.
soheil将近 5 年前
For those wondering here is the repo in question and it has 4.5k stars <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;livewire&#x2F;livewire" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;livewire&#x2F;livewire</a>
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habosa将近 5 年前
Wow there’s so much negativity here.<p>I just want to say congratulations. I think the sponsorware concept is very cool and could be good for the community. I’m glad someone has found a way to make money in open source.
iandanforth将近 5 年前
I&#x27;m not sure I fully understand the sponsorware model. Hopefully someone will educate me.<p>If my costs for writing a piece of software are initially X, I&#x27;d hope to make at least X back before I open source it. (Ignore loss-leaders for now)<p>If I&#x27;m counting number of sponsors, do I calculate them as if they will stick around for a year? 100% retention seems unlikely. Do I only open source after I&#x27;ve had Y sponsors for Z time such that sum(Y.donations) * Z == X?<p>Then after I open source it I have ongoing costs. His experience seems to imply that educational content (paid) then <i>also</i> pays for ongoing maintenance costs. Is that correct?<p>What if I later decide to stop supporting a project? Is there any mechanism to stop a stream of income from a group of sponsors, or will I have to assume they will &quot;naturally&quot; stop sponsoring when I kill new education content and updates to the project? This seems problematic as inertia will cause some people to keep paying despite not getting further value, which will cause some of them to be angry and demand &quot;refunds.&quot;<p>What if my project really takes off? What would be a possible path to scale from say 1-5 paid collaborators?
adamzapasnik将近 5 年前
I&#x27;m not sure what is more impressive, the thought of 100k in 5 months from sponsorship or that the author ported a solution to another environment and got 100k sponsorship out of it?<p>Wow, Good job!<p>Not really understanding the comparison to SV salaries. This opens up many doors for the author, something that money wouldn&#x27;t be able to do.
tomerico将近 5 年前
If Github sponsors proves to be a viable and scalable solution for OSS developers, this could spike a huge boost in quantity and quality of OSS.<p>We&#x27;ve seen a similar effect with YouTube - by providing a monetization path for creators, it attracts talent, and allows them to finance a lifestyle around it. And it&#x27;s a self-accelerating cycle - the growth in quality and quantity increases demand for the content which increases the quality and quantity.
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bjoernw将近 5 年前
Coil and Mozilla are working on something very similar to sponsorship but instead with micropayments that are streamed to content creator&#x27;s wallets via a new open Web Monetization standard. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;webmonetization.org&#x2F;docs&#x2F;getting-started.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;webmonetization.org&#x2F;docs&#x2F;getting-started.html</a><p>Would be neat to see more sites adopt the web monetization standard via coil or other sites like it that enable content creators to offer paid content and get paid passively as more people discovered their content.
hirundo将近 5 年前
&quot;All of this works because I spent years and years honing my craft and producing software that is truly useful. I’ve poured everything I have into that work, and there are no shortcuts there.&quot;<p>This reminds me of Steve Martin&#x27;s, &quot;You Can Be a Millionaire ... and Never Pay Taxes&quot;:<p>“You say, ‘Steve, how can I be a millionaire and never pay taxes?’”<p>“OK first,” he explains, “get a million dollars.”
xgenecloud将近 5 年前
That&#x27;s phenomenal! Hitting $100k in 5 months.<p>Here is OP&#x27;s repo - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;livewire&#x2F;livewire" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;livewire&#x2F;livewire</a>
msoad将近 5 年前
$100k is still not even close to how much you can make in SV as an engineer. Specially an engineer at this caliber. But working on OSS full time is probably 100x more fulfilling than building CRUD for a boring ad company.
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Hedja将近 5 年前
Since people are showing interest in GitHub Sponsors, I just wanted to mention: The types of services listed in the article likely falls under VAT in specific regions which can be a pain to calculate. That&#x27;s one of the reasons I&#x27;m sticking with Patreon; they handle tax and chargebacks so the fee isn&#x27;t a big deal. GitHub Sponsors explicitly says the tax is all on you. They don&#x27;t mention chargebacks in their docs so it&#x27;s hard to say, if they&#x27;re processing the payment on their end, I&#x27;d guess they handle it.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;help.github.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;github&#x2F;supporting-the-open-source-community-with-github-sponsors&#x2F;tax-information-for-github-sponsors" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;help.github.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;github&#x2F;supporting-the-open-source...</a>
omot将近 5 年前
I honestly think that platforms like Github and Patreon is the future of universal basic income. I think as labor becomes deprecated due to globalization and automation, more and more people are going to quit their jobs and pursue more creative and meaningful endeavors.<p>Obviously in the beginning, power law will take into effect where a few people will have enough income to thrive in these platforms. I do think that these platforms will eventually have more features like pooled donation, say you could donate to a collective of creators that you care about, will lead to significant portion of the economy to more meaningful work.
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NetBeck将近 5 年前
It&#x27;s always great to read of someone making a living from what they love and a community supporting each other.
game_the0ry将近 5 年前
Google should hire people like this.<p>Wouldn&#x27;t it be awesome if developer talent was judged on the impact of one&#x27;s open source projects &#x2F; contributions versus leetcode competency?<p>Yeah, I know - it&#x27;ll never happen.
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recursivedoubts将近 5 年前
Wow, that&#x27;s a huge inspiration.<p>I&#x27;ve been sitting on GitHub sponsorship setup for htmx, but this motivates me to get that done. It would be amazing to work on a passion project and get paid for it.
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gdsdfe将近 5 年前
wow kudos, I also find it generous that github takes no cut on this giving that they offer the service. Some people here are comparing with the pay at FAANG, you&#x27;ll have to factor in the satisfaction of seeing your own ideas coming to fruition and the fact that you are free to do whatever the hell you want, anytime, anywhere. Is that worth the 200k+ difference? maybe, maybe not, it&#x27;s up to you.
alexmingoia将近 5 年前
&gt; A few weeks later I added a new “private” group of screencasts for GitHub sponsors only. THIS is the secret sauce.<p>The secret sauce is selling a product (in this case courses&#x2F;training), and using GitHub sponsors as a payment gateway.<p>It’s great, but it’s not really sponsorship.<p>If you’re a dev with a popular open source project, you can profit by selling related training&#x2F;courses. A lot of devs are probably leaving money on the table.
alexellisuk将近 5 年前
This is a success story for GitHub sponsors and I hope it will eventually become the norm and not a unicorn example. We are nowhere near this level with OpenFaaS and with a high level of churn.<p>I also have a slight concern about the author’s sales tax liability in territories such as the US and the EU. Economic nexus is real, take a look at paddle.com if you want to know more. GitHub doesn’t collect sales tax - so you shouldn’t be selling any taxable benefits FWIW.<p>My strategy so far has to turn the program into a weekly Insiders Update on the OSS projects I maintain along with regular feature length content on the industry and software.<p>There’s around 130-140 individuals, I’d like to see that get to double the number. As for companies that use OpenFaaS in production, they do not pay any form of sponsorship or support.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;sponsors&#x2F;alexellis" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;sponsors&#x2F;alexellis</a>
smeeth将近 5 年前
Step 1: create a repo with 4K stars...
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oxAAAFFB将近 5 年前
The payment scheme of the future will be something where a digital product is created and then kept locked up until it’s unlocked by Kickstarter style fundraising. Each individual person gets something they want (the digital product) in exchange for their money, just like before. But under this model, everything might be open source by default, the product only costs society what it is worth (unlike current digital products like movies and songs) and the convoluted nightmare of drm and each-tv-network-has-their-own-subscription-service can finally die.
andrew_将近 5 年前
I have a few NPM packages that get millions of downloads per week. I collect about $5.50 US per month from Patreon and exactly $0 US from Github sponsors. I still consider that $5.50 a win.
kabacha将近 5 年前
Stallman was right story once again, huh?<p>He argued that the best way to monetize libre software is to sell training&#x2F;education and 80% of OP&#x27;s income come from the educational screen-casts.<p>Maybe the lesson here is that if you want to earn money from libre software you have to learn how to create and sell training. I think this model is really beautiful — everyone wins: good software, good training material, strong communities and respect everyone&#x27;s freedoms!
FpUser将近 5 年前
Congratulations. Nicely done.<p>Also you&#x27;ve mentioned github sponsors. Did not know about that program. It is severely restricted by small list of countries. Seems unfair as so many people contribute through github but looks like large chunk is unable to apply for this type of sponsorship because of location. Frankly I am quite disappointed with such policy.
gumby将近 5 年前
This is great, for a couple of reasons. One is that it works! I’m delighted for you.<p>Second is that I haven’t heard of livewire because I work in a different area. This suggests that more folks will be able to do the same (admittedly livewire is in a popular space — which makes meeting this threshold harder, so congrats again)
stevens32将近 5 年前
It&#x27;s inspiring to see that oss can provide a comparable income to the more traditional software engineering career path. It looks like some salesmanship is required, I wonder if there&#x27;s some service out there that takes care of that aspect to help oss projects to find sponsors?
spotlmnop将近 5 年前
Happy for you. Real talent deserves recognition. Thank you for everything you do. Keep up the good work.
ChrisMarshallNY将近 5 年前
Kudos!<p>I&#x27;ve been doing OSS for twenty years, and never made a dime.<p><i>Qualifier: Never wanted to. It&#x27;s always been a labor of love.</i><p>Even when I have done a bit of commercial work (outside of what I did as a 9-5), I open-source that work, as well.<p>I like doing OSS. I take pride in my craft, and like having it out there.
muyuu将近 5 年前
I love his idea, the problem I have is that I hate github. Would it work outside of Github?
brightball将近 5 年前
This feels like a good place to mention the <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bytepack.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bytepack.io&#x2F;</a> service that Jose Valim created. It&#x27;s goal is to help with this type of thing.
peter_d_sherman将近 5 年前
&gt;&quot;A few weeks later I added a new “private” group of screencasts for GitHub sponsors only.<p>[ screenshot of a video being restricted to sponsors only ]<p>THIS is the secret sauce.&quot;
zitterbewegung将近 5 年前
The next thing he could do was make a book out of his various projects and get some passive income. This is a really great and uplifting story!
vxNsr将近 5 年前
Fascinating story.<p>About the project: is it basically a PHP library?
dangus将近 5 年前
What I’m confused about is how the Sponsorware is operationalized for people on the paid tier.<p>How do you only release to people on your sponsor list?
ppod将近 5 年前
Off-topic question: Is Livewire comparable with RShiny, and is there anything that would let me do what Livewire does in python?
mschuetz将近 5 年前
Nice! I&#x27;m also already at 2$&#x2F;month.
satya71将近 5 年前
numpy was the first project that I came across that used a similar technique to fund the development. The numpy book was available exclusively to funders until the early development was paid for. Travis Oliphant, the author of numpy and of the guide, went on to found Anaconda (Continuum Analytics).
j7ake将近 5 年前
Congrats! Inspiring to see that you can make a living on your own without coding within a corporate structure.
blueterminal将近 5 年前
This is a really exciting project, can&#x27;t wait to try it out. I love Laravel. Amazing job.
bgdkbtv将近 5 年前
Congrats dude! Living the dream!<p>Been following you and your progress on twitter for a while
elchin将近 5 年前
How much would this person make if working at a big tech company?
MangoCoffee将近 5 年前
&quot;Sponsorware&quot; - it feel like open sourced shareware
rglover将近 5 年前
Congratulations :)<p>This is really inspiring and motivating for doing OSS work.
PopeDotNinja将近 5 年前
Good work :). That&#x27;s awesome.
saos将近 5 年前
That was a nice reading experience
jglauche将近 5 年前
Any advise for a developer with disabilities who failed hard getting most of her projects out of 1-10 users phase if any?
truell20将近 5 年前
anyone tried running ads on their open source repos?
llIIllIIllIIl将近 5 年前
Congratulations!
_curious_将近 5 年前
Nice, awesome achievement!
jcelerier将近 5 年前
since there&#x27;s no such thing as a small advice - I&#x27;d appreciate a review of my sponsor page :-) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;sponsors&#x2F;jcelerier" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;sponsors&#x2F;jcelerier</a>
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sitzkrieg将近 5 年前
these tend to come off like humble brags a bit considering working on the right thing at the right time is a big factor
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wayneftw将近 5 年前
Gee, it sounds like using the proper channels works way better than trying to push trashy ads in an NPM postinstall script.<p>Hopefully this story will help tone deaf people to make the right decision next time.
caniszczyk将近 5 年前
Sigh, GitHub is still promoting the &quot;open source gig economy&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.aniszczyk.org&#x2F;2019&#x2F;03&#x2F;25&#x2F;troubles-with-the-open-source-gig-economy-and-sustainability-tip-jar&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.aniszczyk.org&#x2F;2019&#x2F;03&#x2F;25&#x2F;troubles-with-the-open-...</a><p>It&#x27;s been about 2 years of GitHub sponsors and they haven&#x27;t shared any data on how well people are doing.
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