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ICE says international students must take in-person classes to remain in the US

91 点作者 theBashShell将近 5 年前

12 条评论

HeyZuess将近 5 年前
Bye to some of the 40 odd Billion dollars which flows into the economy from these students. While the US closes their borders, other countries will be willing to take these students in.
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devilsenigma将近 5 年前
This doesn't help. Not everyone has access to the same infrastructure in their home town/country. Let alone the fact that a class at $X AM/PM in the US may be in the late evenings, late nights in their home country.
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actuator将近 5 年前
Duplicate of <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=23751931" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=23751931</a><p>@dang can you merge this?
laretluval将近 5 年前
Expect universities to fight this hard. Fees from international students make up a huge portion of their budget.
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paul_f将近 5 年前
If the reason for the Visa in the first place is to allow students to attend classes, and there are no classes to attend, what is the problem with this?<p>Seems if a University has no in person classes, most all students will stay home, avoid high priced dorms, dining plans, etc., and campus will be empty anyway.
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stu2b50将近 5 年前
Note that this FORCES Int students to come back to the US and attend at least some in person classes. Having your student visa revoked doesn&#x27;t just mean you can&#x27;t be in the US, you just can&#x27;t be a student at a US institution without that visa.<p>So it&#x27;s more than just bad time zones.
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tehjoker将近 5 年前
What about students that want to avoid crowded lecture halls but have in person study groups with a few friends? This authoritarian action is extremely heavy handed and forecloses the possibilities that genuine students might have to protect themselves, educate themselves and others, and help protect society.
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foxyv将近 5 年前
So in other words, universities will end up adding a classroom that students visit once or twice to cover ICE requirements?
pl0x将近 5 年前
We will welcome these students in our Canadian universities.
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bruceb将近 5 年前
To be clear even before Trump students have not been eligible for a visa for online study.<p>Not an opinion on if students who were going to study in person the fall should get to come&#x2F;stay just a clarification.<p>Online school some students will mean having to sleep in day and do school at night, though for some it will mean vastly cheaper living costs. Painful for some, maybe sorta of beneficial for others.<p>In the US, in college areas, bad for those renting out apartments, good for renters who will now see a reduction in rent.
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WaitWaitWha将近 5 年前
That is not what the ICE doc says. If school opens 100%, students have to go. If not, students can take more online classes than usual.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ice.gov&#x2F;doclib&#x2F;sevis&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;bcm2007-01.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ice.gov&#x2F;doclib&#x2F;sevis&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;bcm2007-01.pdf</a>
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stuupid将近 5 年前
So imagine a monkey is driving a truck, and it&#x27;s headed straight for you. You&#x27;re like, &quot;What fools would let a monkey drive a truck??&quot;. The crowd scatters, cursing the stupid monkey, and those who would let it drive the truck. Someone eventually jumps on the truck and tosses the monkey out of the driver&#x27;s seat. Or maybe the monkey bails out.<p>You put a sensible obedient human driving the truck, and say &quot;Thank goodness we&#x27;re safe again.&quot;, and go back to your business. The weird thing is, it seems like a common problem that has been happening for years, this monkeys getting into trucks and careening into the human population in various places around the world.<p>Of course it&#x27;s not the monkey. Monkey&#x27;s can&#x27;t even drive trucks. The truck was being operated by remote control. The monkey is just a ruse to hide the truth. And when you carefully observe this pattern of monkeys and trucks, you can discern that it is some complex pattern of herding humans or human effects around the earth.<p>One could say the monkey was put there by &quot;nationalists&quot; but that&#x27;s just a label of psychological manipulation, since everyone wants to have pride in their nation and wants their nation to prosper. You could say those secretly herding people with trucks are &quot;globalists&quot;, but that doesn&#x27;t adequately describe the situation, since who wouldn&#x27;t want the world acting together solving problems with harmonious purposes?<p>If you think there may be some truth to this, I suggest we start by making darn sure trucks don&#x27;t have remote controls in them. Of course this is figuratively and literally exactly the opposite of what many, perhaps unsuspecting, people are working towards. Also better for the long term, find those operating the trucks (which isn&#x27;t exactly people, given the trans-generational nature) and figure out what&#x27;s going on, and have them realize that such artificial systems of control are not beneficial and are doomed to failure.