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Linux Mint drops Ubuntu Snap packages

1106 点作者 jonquark将近 5 年前

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psanford将近 5 年前
From the linked announcement: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.linuxmint.com&#x2F;?p=3906" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.linuxmint.com&#x2F;?p=3906</a><p>&gt; Applications in this store cannot be patched, or pinned. You can’t audit them, hold them, modify them or even point snap to a different store. You’ve as much empowerment with this as if you were using proprietary software, i.e. none. This is in effect similar to a commercial proprietary solution, but with two major differences: It runs as root, and it installs itself without asking you.<p>This is a great summary of why people rightfully feel nervous about Snap. People run linux because they want visibility and control into what is happening on their systems. Canonical seems to want to take away that visibility and control from their users.
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emerongi将近 5 年前
Snaps are super laggy. GNOME calculator on Ubuntu runs in a snap and it is baffling that whoever made the decision to package it in a snap by default was OK with the fact that it takes 2 seconds to launch a basic calculator on a 2017 laptop (edit: re-tested, it took 5 seconds).<p>To top it off, a couple months ago my calculator disappeared. For some reason I have been having problems with snap applications disappearing for a while now, even though I have made no configuration changes. How fun it is to discover that such a basic tool just no longer exists on your machine, way to fuck up a morning.<p>I get that snaps make application distribution easier, but please don&#x27;t do it at the expense of the user. I&#x27;ve had more success with Flatpak and AppImages, but not enough experience with any of them to judge which is best.
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mixmastamyk将近 5 年前
It&#x27;s interesting in that I quite like the idea of snap packages, just not their implementation. I recently purged snaps from my Ubuntu Mate machines after a few years of use because of the realization of only using two:<p>1. The micro terminal editor.<p>2. Chromium, because it was forced.<p>Well, #1 was packaged for 20.04 so I didn&#x27;t need it any longer. That left Chromium. For that single package, I had to tolerate my system being spammed all over:<p>- Multiple irrelevant loopbacks cluttering my mounts list<p>- Dedicated folders in filesystem: &#x2F;snap ~&#x2F;snap<p>- Very slow startup, for chromium.<p>- Lots of disk space taken<p>- An always running daemon! (Wasn&#x27;t it root too? Can&#x27;t remember). apt doesn&#x27;t need a daemon.<p>Sheesh! That&#x27;s not even mentioning the store issues which others have described already.<p>Sorry, but a few newer packages here and there are not worth all that. I&#x27;ll handle it myself, thanks. What snap does isn&#x27;t actually that hard. I&#x27;d keep it around if it wasn&#x27;t so obnoxious at putting itself in front and center of everything.
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red_admiral将近 5 年前
Snap sounds to me like the latest of many decisions by Canonical that are more like what you&#x27;d expect from a commercial vendor than a FOSS one. This is Microsoft-level coercing people into your own ecosystem.<p>I don&#x27;t doubt for a moment that it makes business sense for Canonical, but I really wonder whether there&#x27;s a market for this - the huge majority of people who don&#x27;t care about this kind of thing are on Windows or Mac, or even just working happily away on their phones and tablets.<p>Linux&#x27; selling point for me was always that I was in control and could make the system work the way I wanted to; people more ideologically pure than me have slogans like &quot;free as in freedom&quot; or &quot;binary blobs are bad&quot;.<p>I really don&#x27;t see the market for &quot;linux, but with commercial vendor practices&quot;. I switched from ubuntu to mint a while ago and I&#x27;m really happy about that right now.
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pjfin123将近 5 年前
If desktop Linux is ever going to be mainstream there needs to be an easy to use &quot;app store&quot; where users can use a GUI to install apps which need to be sandboxed like on a mobile phone with defined permissions. Snapcraft is way ahead of Flatpak on this and the current Ubuntu setup works well. On Ubuntu you can go to the Ubuntu software app (gui) search for software and it blends apt results with snap results. This really seems like the best way to do things, common packages can be installed through a traditional package manager while more niche ones can be installed with snap. A lot of people are mad at Canonical for not open sourcing the backend but no one seems to be offering to build one. Anyways the really important part of snap is having a unified executable for Linux (which Canonical has made open source).Snap makes it really easy for developers to target Linux with a unified executable which they won&#x27;t do otherwise due to Desktop Linux&#x27;s small market share.
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jrockway将近 5 年前
I&#x27;ve been kind of disappointed by Snap. It seemed like it was a way to always have the latest version of software you care about available, but in practice, nobody updates their Snaps. I used it to get a newer version of Go, and while it is more recent than what comes with Ubuntu, it&#x27;s still not the latest version. Apparently Some Guy updates it on a volunteer basis when he remembers, so it&#x27;s nearly useless.<p>Even if people do update the Snap, it&#x27;s clear that it provides too many features. It has some sort of isolation model... that every Snap I&#x27;ve ever installed requires you to disable.<p>It&#x27;s also surprisingly expensive to run something in a snap. For example, getting the name of my current k8s context with &quot;kubectl config current-context&quot;:<p><pre><code> $ sudo execsnoop.bt Attaching 2 probes... TIME(ms) PID ARGS 7603 29266 kubectl config current-context 7612 29272 &#x2F;usr&#x2F;sbin&#x2F;apparmor_parser --preprocess 7614 29266 kubectl config current-context 7626 29280 &#x2F;snap&#x2F;core&#x2F;9436&#x2F;usr&#x2F;lib&#x2F;snapd&#x2F;snap-seccomp version-info 7630 29266 &#x2F;snap&#x2F;core&#x2F;9436&#x2F;usr&#x2F;lib&#x2F;snapd&#x2F;snap-confine --classic snap.kubectl.kubectl &#x2F;snap&#x2F;core&#x2F;9436&#x2F;usr&#x2F;lib&#x2F;snapd&#x2F;snap-exec kubectl config current-context 7632 29266 &#x2F;snap&#x2F;core&#x2F;9436&#x2F;usr&#x2F;lib&#x2F;snapd&#x2F;snap-exec kubectl config current-context 7634 29266 &#x2F;snap&#x2F;kubectl&#x2F;1561&#x2F;command-kubectl.wrapper config current-context 7635 29266 &#x2F;snap&#x2F;kubectl&#x2F;1561&#x2F;kubectl config current-context </code></pre> This adds 32ms of latency before the app runs for absolutely no good reason.
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kd913将近 5 年前
The reason for why the backend for the snap store hasn&#x27;t been opensourced has been explained multiple times. Namely that it would be expensive to open source it with little benefit in return.<p>Canonical already spent a large amount of investment opensourcing launchpad and nobody other than them operate it. Mainly because the majority of the costs are for operating an instance which most other distros aren&#x27;t willing to spend. Not even Mint operate run or operate their own launchpad infrastructure. They experienced large backlash back then, open sourced it and nobody contributed.<p>The same problem applies here. Snap store specifically from what I gather is a bunch of operational machinery that doesn&#x27;t make sense without also operating launchpad. Such a cost operating would benefit nobody but Canonical because nobody else is bothering footing the bill to run an instance.<p>Second aspect that they wanted to avoid was the same pitfalls that they experienced previously with ppas and now being experienced with flatpak. Namely they want one location to find software, and one location to serve software. If users have to use the command line to add a external repo that has unfetted access, then that defeats any usability gains. That and the whole aspects of malware&#x2F;trust goes out the window.<p>I will remind people that the most popular PPA to this day is a Java PPA being run by some 3rd party that doesn&#x27;t offer Java. That PPA has root access to thousands of machines.
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aphexairlines将近 5 年前
This seems like a problem:<p>&gt; Snap packages are effectively black-boxes; they cannot be reproduced independently as the packaging data is controlled by the package maker alone.<p>One of the nice properties of debian packages is the ability to `apt-get source` and build it locally. Would be a shame to lose that.<p>Maybe Nix and Guix can provide the best of both worlds here: self-contained software but reproducible builds too.
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ed25519FUUU将近 5 年前
&gt; <i>The Linux Mint project has made good on previous threats to actively prevent Ubuntu Snap packages from being installed through the APT package-management system without the user&#x27;s consent. This move is the result of &quot;major worries&quot; from Linux Mint on Snap&#x27;s impact with regard to user choice and software freedom. Ubuntu&#x27;s parent company, Canonical, seems open to finding a solution to satisfy the popular distribution&#x27;s concerns — but it too has interests to consider.</i><p>An excellent and succinct summary of the issue in the first paragraph. I have to hand it to LWN for excellent synopsis&#x2F;summary paragraphs in the articles. This is a lost art in today&#x27;s clickbait headline where the lede is buried in the center of the Earth.
flavor8将近 5 年前
I haven&#x27;t been impressed with snap as a user.<p>The jetbrains stuff keeps several versions around by default, which eats disk space. I&#x27;m sure there&#x27;s a way to change that, but I haven&#x27;t cared enough to dig.<p>The other day I ran `apt install chromium-browser` on a brand new install; it chose to install via snap (grr) and then snapd promptly crashed (&quot;Waiting for restart&quot; -- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forum.snapcraft.io&#x2F;t&#x2F;installing-the-chromium-snap-in-test-environment-results-in-snapd-being-oom-killed&#x2F;13864" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forum.snapcraft.io&#x2F;t&#x2F;installing-the-chromium-snap-in...</a>), but apt&#x27;s wrapper wasn&#x27;t notified. I ended up ctrl-Cing, which left dkpg (somehow involved) in an inconsistent state. Took several iterations of dkpg reconfigure and apt update to recover. I&#x27;ve been on linux for 20 years, so not a big deal for me, but my experience has been that snap is less newbie friendly than apt.
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pyrophane将近 5 年前
I immediately thought of Linux Mint Debian Edition when I saw this. They describe it as something they are developing just in case, you know, &quot;Ubuntu was ever to disappear.&quot; Well, excepting for some kind of Microsoft acquisition of Canonical (&quot;we will be shifting our focus to developing Ubuntu for WSL&quot;), I don&#x27;t think Ubuntu will disappear, but it certainly might become so unfriendly to downstream distros that they have to move off of it.
Spivak将近 5 年前
Canonical&#x27;s decision to abuse the power of apt packages to make it some &quot;universal installer&quot; is kinda gross. I get the thought but I would consider is surprising that, say, installing python-* actually installed pip and ran pip install.<p>This is totally going to break Gnome Software&#x27;s UI since it has plugins for snap, flatpack, apt, dnf, pacman, etc.. and making it so that Chromium from apt is doing a run-round with snap makes it really confusing to the user.
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roryokane将近 5 年前
I think the LWN article misunderstands what Ken VanDine meant by “pressure” in the following quote:<p>&gt; By shipping such a key application as a snap it will continue to keep pressure on to ensure we keep improving the experience while also reducing our maintenance burden for the LTS and future releases of Ubuntu.<p>The article takes the quote to mean that “Canonical … is using [Snap] to apply pressure where it wants to see change” and implies that Canonical is trying to pressure distros like Linux Mint to support Snap. But I think VanDine meant only that using Snap in a high-profile package puts pressure on <i>Canonical</i> to make Snap easier to use in <i>Ubuntu</i>.<p>That’s a less controversial goal than the one implied by the article. Of course, whether Canonical’s actions are truly motivated by that goal is a separate discussion topic.
jeffdavis将近 5 年前
I&#x27;ve been wondering for a while whether the concept of &quot;open source&quot; and its connection to freedom are becoming meaningless.<p>Source code has been a dynamic thing for a while, and I think that&#x27;s part of the reason the GPL (at least v2) is not very popular any more. I mean, nobody really even wants source code, it&#x27;s just a maintenance headache.<p>Even after complexity started to take over, there was still the argument that you could audit your computer if it was doing something funny, or ask a different company to maintain it for you, instead. But that seems less and less practical as time goes on. The company that wrote the software is really the only game in town to keep it useful.<p>Snaps are a logical extension of this phenomenon. They cross a line in the sand, perhaps, but basically just continue a trend already going on.<p>Also, the unix security model seems fundamentally bad. The idea that any code you execute can delete everything in your home directory is insane. It imposes a huge burden of trust on your software distribution system for the most trivial things. That reduces the practicality of using third-party sources.<p>I&#x27;m not really defending snaps and I will probably avoid them as long as I can. But I sort of feel like the battle might already be lost.
jefft255将近 5 年前
I wonder if it is finally time for me to give Arch a try. It&#x27;s a shame that all my lab&#x27;s machines run Ubuntu; although I find it solid, this sort of controlling behavior by Canonical seems against the spirit of FOSS.
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trashburger将近 5 年前
It&#x27;s very funny that this article is two places above the article about how Canonical is bringing Flutter to Linux via the Snap Store. Some choice quotes from that article:<p>&gt; Flutter’s native cross-platform story is growing rapidly and Canonical wanted to be at the vanguard.<p>&gt; By making Linux a first class Flutter platform, Canonical is inviting application developers to publish their apps to millions of Linux users and broaden the availability of high quality applications available to them.<p>&gt; Canonical will continue to collaborate with Google to further improve Linux support and maintain feature parity with the other supported platforms.
Animats将近 5 年前
Is it time to switch from Ubuntu to Mint? Does Mint have enough repositories that work? I&#x27;m at Ubuntu 18.04 LTS, and Ubuntu 20 seems to have a host of unwanted Canonical-oriented features. I&#x27;d appreciate comments.
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Darmody将近 5 年前
Just today I switched from Ubuntu to Pop_OS (I hate that name). Unity was giving me some trouble as it&#x27;s starting to conflict with all the newer stuff so I had to make a decision.<p>I dislike Gnome Shell. It&#x27;s clean and fast but the GUI is &quot;locked&quot; to the main monitor and I can&#x27;t even switch windows without looking at it.<p>But I love how the distro is made focusing on a good user experience. To give you an example, the shop (software center) allows me to choose between deb packages and flatpak if available. Sounds like something obvious, but after having snaps shovelled down my throat when I was thinking I was installing deb packages, this means I can finally trust my distro again.<p>Now the only thing I need is a good DE. Maybe the next decade.
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ho_schi将近 5 年前
Use Flatpak.<p>It just another bad move from Canonical in a long list of terrible failures, which weakend Linux fundamentally: * Upstart vs Systemd * Mir vs Wayland * Snap vs. Flatpak * Unity vs. GNOME and Gtk * Ubuntu Phone vs. you should have teamed up with Nokia and Maemo before...<p>Looks like they don&#x27;t learn. The fork and fight against the others and always lose.<p>Nowadays Ubuntu is upstreaming usefull patches to GNOME, again. Thank you! But imagine what GNOME and Gtk could be look like already, when Ubuntu had &quot;helped&quot; them earlier. I could be already a lot of better years ago? Mutter, Gtk, Terminal and Nautilus. GNOME is healthy! But they could so much better years ago.<p>Forking is good thing, when it aims initially for a merge.
jwlake将近 5 年前
I&#x27;m unclear why ubuntu needs the chromium package in apt. Seems like they should just stop publishing apt packages for chromium, only publish in snap, and steer users into using snap for installs and not apt. Seems less confusing and wins or loses on its merit.
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tom_devref将近 5 年前
You can avoid snaps by using Synaptic Package Manager. I learned this the hard way after installing Xubuntu 20.04 and finding every piece of software I installed from Ubuntu Software Center was either a slow, buggy or completely broken snap image.
hamandcheese将近 5 年前
My only brief experience with Snap packages was installing golang (on Ubuntu). I was just dabbling, and the snap package seemed to be a lot more recent than the apt version, so I went for it.<p>A week or so later, I guess the snap package auto-updated itself, because my go installation broke with an error about how the go tool version no longer matches the currently running version of go.<p>That pretty much ruined Snap in my mind, particularly for system software.
einpoklum将近 5 年前
This snap business is what we get when commercial interests try to warp the concept of FOSS distributions. That&#x27;s what we get for letting companies such as Canonical and Red Hat control so much of the distribution space (and I mention Red Hat because of systemd, which has made its inroads much more successfully).<p>And snap is bad not just because you can&#x27;t patch, or pin, or set up a snap mirror etc. The whole concept is bad.<p>That
rootbear将近 5 年前
I dislike how snap clutters up my df listings. I have to pipe them through grep to get rid of the noise:<p><pre><code> df -h | grep -v &#x2F;snap </code></pre> An option to ls to suppress all loopback mounts might be a nice option.
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speakspokespok将近 5 年前
Suse has been around just as long as RedHat, put out a great suite of products, went for-profit, and seems to do well in the EU market. They&#x27;ve never generated as much buzz - good or bad - though. Is that just my perspective from being in the American linux bubble? Centos, RHEL, Debian, Ubuntu, Arch even; I hear about those players all the time.
osd5将近 5 年前
Installed ubuntu 18.04, purged snapd. It was back after `do-release-upgrade` to 20.04
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fractal618将近 5 年前
I&#x27;m hoping they will switch their base to Clear Linux. I have been using Clear Linux on my personal laptop, and it&#x27;s been a fantastic experience so far.
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unethical_ban将近 5 年前
I haven&#x27;t used Snap much, but I would like to add this: The Ubuntu Software Center (and debian packaging in general) is not gen-pop friendly. There are library packages, support packages, metapackages, and when you search, the results are shaky, non-existent, or overwhelmed by results no end-user would be interested in installing standalone.<p>There is also the issue of dependencies, and there is some elegance in the design philosophy of &quot;package everything for a program and install it standalone&quot; vs. having shared libraries.<p>So I see the benefit in an app-store. Someone below said &quot;snap is horrible&quot; because it&#x27;s lock in. It isn&#x27;t! Ubuntu hasn&#x27;t taken away apt.<p>But simple, easy package distribution to nontechnical users, for the benefit of stability and ease of use, is a noble one.
iso1631将近 5 年前
Between VLC, Snap and Ubuntu I&#x27;m seriously considering installing Windows - last time I did was Windows 98.<p>Given up trying to compile VLC thanks to usual the usual python mess (ImportError: No module named &#x27;nasm&#x27;)<p>VLC don&#x27;t bother distributing debs any more, just these shit snaps.<p>In years gone by distributions used to do a good job of keeping systems healthy.<p>They no longer seem to care about the old way of doing that though, things like debs and make just aren&#x27;t cool any more. Instead you have 160 different package managers all fighting each other, which you then install to update your build environment to install another package manager to build a new build system to eventually dig down to generate some shitty python crap which runs a gcc command.
whalesalad将近 5 年前
One of the first things I do on any Ubuntu-based box is remove snap completely.
tkuraku将近 5 年前
For me, flatpaks are a better user experience in just about every way. The one feature they are missing is that there is no equivalent to the snap --classic confinement. That means that for applications like vscode the flatpak experience is very poor. You cannot easily access command line tools from the editor. For instance using the anaconda python distribution from the vscode flatpak is a pain.
nullc将近 5 年前
To call Ubuntu snap a security disaster would be a tremendous understatement.
freetime2将近 5 年前
&gt; The problems with Linux Mint came to a head when Ubuntu moved Chromium to Snap distribution in Ubuntu 19.10. On the surface, that isn&#x27;t a problem in and of itself — the Linux Mint project can always start providing its own Chromium APT packages. The problem was the decision to change the Ubuntu chromium-browser APT package itself upstream in Ubuntu. Previously, that package would simply install Chromium directly. With the change, it would instead install the Snap package-management tools first and then install the Snap equivalent of the Chromium package — without making it clear to the user what was happening.<p>I don&#x27;t have any issues with this behavior. I find it really annoying when I find a package I am looking for on apt and install it, only to realize that it&#x27;s way out of date, and I&#x27;m supposed to install it via snap or some other means to get a reasonably up to date version. Pointing apt at the snap store is a nice convenience in my opinion.
chimen将近 5 年前
The fact that you have to post on a forum and argue with people why you need permission X for your snap package was enough for me to abort publishing on this platform. I should ask permissions from the users not from the platform publishers on a forum post.
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znpy将近 5 年前
yesterday I finally decided to investigate why gnome-calculator was so slow at starting up in my ubuntu-based xfce desktop.<p>It&#x27;s a snap. instead of just launching a stupid binary (it&#x27;s a f-ing calculator for christ&#x27;s sake) somebody decided it was better to use a snap, mount a filesystem, add a cgroup and everything.<p>For me that was the last straw: I eradicated all the snaps in my system, uninstalled snapd and everything gnome-related that I could. Jesus christ.<p>Again, it&#x27;s a f-cking calculator.<p>I don&#x27;t need a snap for that.<p>That&#x27;s what get people hating snaps.<p>For the record, I&#x27;m now using xcalc. It&#x27;s less pretty but it starts IMMEDIATELY.
addicted将近 5 年前
I usually go with Ubuntu on cloud platforms because it’s one of the defaults.<p>Any suggestions on what’s a good alternative distributor go with that is widely supported and easily available on the variety of cloud platforms?
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dzonga将近 5 年前
snap vs flatpak vs appimages once again shows the fragmentation within the linux desktop ecosystem. as a user, it makes me sad, cz I can&#x27;t have one good solid experience. snap, updates might break, flatpak is not fully supported.<p>And my strong belief, is Microsoft is going to eat Linux Desktop. WSL to run your server apps and coding environment. windows for user apps. as someone who hasn&#x27;t used windows in over 10 years, day by day seems windows is gonna be the future. sad to say, but true.
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djeiasbsbo将近 5 年前
Lately i&#x27;ve been using flatpak to install many applications and then `flatpak-override` to remove any unwanted permissions from those apps. Usually i try to completely sandbox them by only giving them access to a specific folder on disk.<p>However, here on HackerNews i&#x27;ve seen many articles about how &quot;flatpak is dangerous&quot; lately. Is there any real concern? If yes, what would be another option? Appimages? I definitely don&#x27;t want to rely on snaps now...
leommoore将近 5 年前
I did find it particularly annoying when I upgraded to Ubuntu 20.04 and seemed to duplicate applications. Adding a snap version side by side with my old applications.
pkaye将近 5 年前
Why do they base it on Ubuntu instead of Debian anyway?
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rdfi将近 5 年前
The Ubuntu podcast has a very recent episode about this: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ubuntupodcast.org&#x2F;2020&#x2F;06&#x2F;25&#x2F;s13e14-ace-of-spades&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ubuntupodcast.org&#x2F;2020&#x2F;06&#x2F;25&#x2F;s13e14-ace-of-spades&#x2F;</a><p>The conversation around snaps starts at 5:20.<p>It sounded to me that they genuinely tried to put themselves in both side&#x27;s shoes.
teekert将近 5 年前
Actually Canoncial employees claim that many things claimed here are false. I.e., you can set up your own back-end and you can set-up proxies of to block&#x2F;allow snaps that from entering an organization. You can also provide patched snaps that are presented from a store proxy that are not visible outside the organization for example.<p>Source: The Ubuntu podcast Telegram channel
Kliment将近 5 年前
Also see here for all the snap-specific bugs in chromium (bugs that only exist in the snap version, and not with the normal one) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bugs.launchpad.net&#x2F;ubuntu&#x2F;+source&#x2F;chromium-browser&#x2F;+bugs?field.tag=snap" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bugs.launchpad.net&#x2F;ubuntu&#x2F;+source&#x2F;chromium-browser&#x2F;+...</a>
dreamcompiler将近 5 年前
Seems like Canonical is taking a page from the old Microsoft playbook: Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. Will this stop them before step 3?
Tepix将近 5 年前
I am still running Ubuntu 18.04 because of snap. Is there some way to upgrade in-place to something that doesn‘t force snap upon me?
ColanR将近 5 年前
I&#x27;ve been putting off my next OS reinstallation, but I think I&#x27;ll be moving away from Ubuntu and over to Mint this time.
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vyuh将近 5 年前
When I removed snapd from Ubuntu, all installed snaps and their mount points still remained. Then I reinstalled snapd to remove the snaps. I could not find a command to force remove a snap if other snaps depend on it. So I had to delete each snap one by one manually, taking care of dependency tree.
zelphirkalt将近 5 年前
Anyone using Snap to get more up-to-date versions of packages might be interested in trying out Guix package manager on &quot;foreign distro&quot;. Has a lot of free (as in freedom) software in latest or close to latest versions ready to install and I find myself using it more and more.
GF53F545将近 5 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;globelinfo4u.blogspot.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;07&#x2F;unable-to-locate-package-kali-linux-2020.2.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;globelinfo4u.blogspot.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;07&#x2F;unable-to-locate-p...</a>
datashaman将近 5 年前
Hate snapd. Statically linking every dependency is a step backwards, I don&#x27;t need to have duplicates of common shared libraries in every binary. It&#x27;s the first thing I uninstall with Ubuntu.
falcrist将近 5 年前
From the July 2 Mint blog post: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.linuxmint.com&#x2F;?p=3766" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.linuxmint.com&#x2F;?p=3766</a><p>&gt; When Flatpak came out it immediately allowed anyone to create stores. The Flatpak client can talk to multiple stores. Spotify is on Flathub and they can push towards it. If tomorrow they have an argument with Flathub they can create their own store and the very same Flatpak client will still work with it. When Snap came out, it was only a client. The server was behind closed doors and the client couldn’t talk to multiple servers.<p>and<p>&gt; Ubuntu is planning to replace the Chromium repository package with an empty package which installs the Chromium snap. In other words, as you install APT updates, Snap becomes a requirement for you to continue to use Chromium and installs itself behind your back.<p>Yea that seems to me to be a problem.<p>From the June 1st Mint blog post: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.linuxmint.com&#x2F;?p=3906" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.linuxmint.com&#x2F;?p=3906</a><p>&gt; ...in the Ubuntu 20.04 package base, the Chromium package is indeed empty and acting, without your consent, as a backdoor by connecting your computer to the Ubuntu Store. Applications in this store cannot be patched, or pinned. You can’t audit them, hold them, modify them or even point snap to a different store. You’ve as much empowerment with this as if you were using proprietary software, i.e. none. This is in effect similar to a commercial proprietary solution, but with two major differences: It runs as root, and it installs itself without asking you.<p>If I&#x27;m reading this right, Snap is basically trying to fix the problem of software dependencies on older packages by bundling things together (a la flatpack)... but it ALSO replaces the various repositories in different distributions of linux with a closed-source, centralized repository that points towards cannonical, and advertises ubuntu to people using other distros and potentially gives cannonical control over the distribution of sotfware in the linux ecosystem. AND it can do this behind the scenes without the knowledge of the users, who may think they&#x27;re still using their normal repo system.<p>The whole scheme seems completely antithetical to the principles of FOSS. You don&#x27;t have to go full Stallman to see this as a bad thing IMO. From that perspective, Mint&#x27;s decision to drop support for Snap makes a LOT of sense.<p>Also, one of the reasons I enjoy running linux (I dual-boot with windows) is that it does what I tell it to do, and ONLY what I tell it to do. There&#x27;s no BS like Cortana auto-installing or onedrive automatically uploading a bunch of my pictures to the cloud (yes that actually happened). I already have a linux distro that takes that benefit away, but I accept that (for now), because it&#x27;s a phone. I&#x27;m not ok with losing that on my desktop.
fractal618将近 5 年前
I am hoping that they switch over to Clear Linux. I just switched over on my personal laptop, and it&#x27;s been terrific.
totetsu将近 5 年前
Is anyone using ubuntu-core and snaps in backend production? Automatic updates seems like a pretty big show stopper.
rammy1234将近 5 年前
what&#x27;s in for canonical for backing snap when most can see through the pain points it poses ?
FpUser将近 5 年前
Good riddance. This nanny security encroachment got to stop
rotterdamdev将近 5 年前
How come Debian can package chromium but Ubuntu cannot?
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Thaxll将近 5 年前
Funny coming from Mint the worst distro security wise.
lifeisstillgood将近 5 年前
should I just give up and go back to FreeBSD ?
CrankyBear将近 5 年前
Ancient news. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=23433794" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=23433794</a>
renewiltord将近 5 年前
I like the App Store functionality etc. It&#x27;s good to have a trusted store and all that. It&#x27;s just that Snap packaged stuff is slower to open than stuff otherwise. A user on lobste.rs[0] showed what it was like and mine is just as bad<p>Also by `df` and `mount` are unusable with this stuff.<p>0: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lobste.rs&#x2F;s&#x2F;aktv9k&#x2F;problem_ubuntu_20_04_snaps_where_your_home#c_fysair" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lobste.rs&#x2F;s&#x2F;aktv9k&#x2F;problem_ubuntu_20_04_snaps_where_...</a>
macinjosh将近 5 年前
Nowadays I don’t know if drops means released (like an album), or stopped supporting. Guess I will have to RTFA. :)
seemslegit将近 5 年前
Canonical was overdue for cancellation ever since they pulled the &quot;Amazon shopping lens&quot; crap.
marvinblum将近 5 年前
Thanks god.
mastrsushi将近 5 年前
Can someone explain the need for Linux Mint? It&#x27;s derived from Ubuntu which is derived from Debian which just sounds ridiculous.<p>Is Ubuntu considered difficult to install? Does it not support older hardware as well as Mint? Wouldn&#x27;t Ubuntu be more supported if they just ended Mint and jumped aboard?
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gitgud将近 5 年前
Snap isn&#x27;t too bad, at least Ubuntu are trying to make it easier for new software to run on older machines... they might even swap it out if they get enough backlash<p>I&#x27;ve used Ubuntu since 2014 and have been impressed at most of the decisions they&#x27;ve made, mainly:<p>- [1] Sticking to 6 month release cycles. Any features not ready, go into the next release. (Windows copied this, but constantly miss release dates)<p>- [2] Trying Unification of all applications, across desktop and mobile OS. But abandoning the project when it became clear it wasn&#x27;t working.<p>- [3] Trying their own desktop manager Unity, then abandoning it when everyone was complaining and focusing on better Gnome integration.<p>I especially like how they try developing a technology and if it&#x27;s not working or being adopted&#x2F;liked, then it&#x27;s abandoned by the core team... which is better than focusing on hated&#x2F;dead technology...<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ubuntu.com&#x2F;about&#x2F;release-cycle" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ubuntu.com&#x2F;about&#x2F;release-cycle</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;technology-39490848" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;technology-39490848</a><p>[3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;information-technology&#x2F;2018&#x2F;05&#x2F;ubuntu-18-04-the-return-of-a-familiar-interface-marks-the-best-ubuntu-in-years&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;information-technology&#x2F;2018&#x2F;05&#x2F;ubunt...</a>