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Was a PhD necessary to solve outstanding math problems?

57 点作者 reedwolf将近 5 年前

14 条评论

bo1024将近 5 年前
The article seems to treat a PhD merely as a credential - maybe assuming that a person would be equally capable with or without it. Why? The whole point of a PhD in math is to learn to do effective research in math and there are almost no substitutes. This seems like being surprised that so many professional violinists took violin lessons. (I admit my bias here but still.)
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strikelaserclaw将近 5 年前
If u were gifted at math and wanted to do it all the time, would you a) get paid for doing it with peers while getting a PhD or b) work a job as a janitor to support yourself while doing math. With the amount of depth modern math has, i think to achieve results you need to be able to do it full time, so getting a PhD seems to be the most logical route for aspiring mathematicians. Not to mention that most pure math don't have much practical application at the moment, you certainly would not convince your manager in industry to let you solve random problems just for the sake of solving it.
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prionassembly将近 5 年前
I dropped from grad school with a Master&#x27;s degree in applied math, and vowed to keep studying for the rest of my life.<p>It&#x27;s really hard to study &quot;real maths&quot; on your own. It&#x27;s harder to understand materials without the aid of someone who has already deep-dove and built some intuitions, metaphors and visual schemas. More critically, it&#x27;s very hard to know if you&#x27;re doing proofs correctly without feedback.
DanBC将近 5 年前
The article is missing mathematicians who do not publicize their results. These would mainly be mathematicians working for agencies like GCHQ, NSA, etc.<p>If you want to work on certain math problems, don&#x27;t mind working for the government, and don&#x27;t care about being published you can get good jobs with these kinds of agencies.
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fizixer将近 5 年前
PhD is not strictly necessary, but the process and training that results in a PhD degree is.<p>Case in point, Freeman Dyson, brilliant mathematician&#x2F;math-physicist, never got a PhD degree, but did research work all his life. Note, he was deeply embedded in the research community, and pretty much everyone he collaborated with, was a PhD or eventually got a PhD (meaning he went through the motions just like other researchers).<p>Final note, the process and training required to be able to conduct research is massively undernurtured, i.e., in my opinion, most PhD graduates are barely an iota better-trained than MS graduates these days. This is getting increasingly true as world population grows, and PhD diplomas get handed out willy nilly (a topic I could go on at for hours). In short, Sturgeon&#x27;s law is in full swing.
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LudwigNagasena将近 5 年前
This doesn’t prove that PhD is needed. This just proves that people prefer to get paid.
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jokoon将近 5 年前
There&#x27;s a difference between a degree and an education.<p>The problem is how we consider the destination (the degree), to be a proof of competence and knowledge, while it&#x27;s really the journey (the education) which actually matters. That&#x27;s why degrees should be abolished, and a certificate of education be given to the student as long as he&#x2F;she is present.<p>School should not act as a social filter. As long as you go to school and go to classes, and shows motivation to learn, it&#x27;s enough. There are no proper ways to evaluate how a student really learned and absorbed the knowledge that was given. There are many students who love the knowledge, but cannot accept scholasticism, the competition, the selection and the filtering. It often ends up being about &quot;belonging to a group&quot;, and honestly it was never the goal of education.<p>It&#x27;s up to companies to really check if someone if competent and has the knowledge, it&#x27;s not the job of universities. Higher education is an enormous source of inequality, and an immense social barrier.<p>It&#x27;s really easy for people with degrees to disagree with this, I can only answer with survival bias.
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nottorp将近 5 年前
If you&#x27;re interested enough to do math research, you&#x27;re likely to get a PhD in mathematics because it&#x27;s, well, full time math research?
YeGoblynQueenne将近 5 年前
&gt;&gt; How many mathematical, biological, and physical discoveries would never have been made, if it weren’t for robotics (invented by someone with no higher education) and cheap compute (provided by the business sector)?<p>Who does the article mean, by &quot;robotics (invented by someone with no higher education)&quot;? Wikipedia tells me that <i>[in] 1948, Norbert Wiener formulated the principles of cybernetics, the basis of practical robotics</i> [1], but Wiener had a PhD from Harvard [2] and certainly much education, at all levels.<p>The wikipedia article on robotics has a number of other names of people who contributed in various ways to robotics from ancient to modern times, but I&#x27;m not sure who fits the article&#x27;s description. Did Heron of Alexandria have a &quot;higher education&quot;, sensu stricto?<p>____________<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Robotics" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Robotics</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Norbert_Wiener" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Norbert_Wiener</a>
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graycat将近 5 年前
Hint, quiet, don&#x27;t let this out, a Ph.D. is not really a <i>knowledge</i> degree but a <i>research</i> degree. From that degree on, in blunt terms, everyone knows that no one can carry the whole library around between their ears and so no longer much cares what you know but cares what you can create!<p>There can be and are some exceptions, but overwhelmingly successful research in math requires the background of a Ph.D. for (1) finding a suitable problem and (2) having the knowledge to attack it. And it helps to be in a relatively good school so that will get relatively good versions of (1) and (2).<p>But with everything in good shape, apparently there is one more challenge -- being successful in the actual research. For a hint at this challenge, buried in D. Knuth&#x27;s <i>The TeXBook</i> is:<p>&gt; The traditional way is to put off all creative aspects until the last part of graduate school. For seventeen or more years, a student is taught examsmanship, then suddenly after passing enough exams in graduate school he&#x27;s told to do something original.<p>That is, the research is work that is suddenly different, maybe for some people quite different and challenging, than all the academic work before. E.g., there are cases where a student made A&#x27;s and was the darling of all the teachers from kindergarten through college but in all that time never encountered anything like having new ideas. Bad such cases can lead to stress, loss of self-esteem, crippled ability to work, more stress, burn out, clinical depression, and ... suicide. No joke.<p>For me, part of what helps in research is some <i>qualified respect</i> for some of the existing material. So, I look at what is there as needing improvement and try to do that. If look at the existing material as some nearly perfect construction, then maybe won&#x27;t feel confident should or could improve on it!<p>One thing rarely taught in math is the importance of intuition: It is needed to do well at guessing, guess a suitable problem, broad outlines of a solution, attack, tools, etc. Good guessing is important since that&#x27;s most of what there is to do, and good intuition helps with good guessing. Sure, when the results are obtained and in clean form with polished proofs, there can be little or no view of the sources, the intuition.<p>There can be some question about how good some Ph.D. research is: The professors don&#x27;t want to grant Ph.D. degrees for poor research but don&#x27;t really know how to ensure good work, indeed, for either the students or sometimes themselves. So one <i>standard</i> that can remove some possibly painful ambiguity is that the Ph.D. research should be &quot;an original contribution to knowledge worthy of publication&quot; with the usual standards for publication being &quot;new, correct, and significant&quot;. If a student does some research and the professors question if it is publishable, then the student can settle the issue in an objective way -- try to publish the work.<p>E.g., computer science is concerned with <i>computational time complexity</i>, i.e., <i>good</i> algorithms where <i>good</i> means running time that grows no faster than some polynomial in the size of input data for the problem (rough statement -- more details in the famous<p>Michael R. Garey and David S. Johnson, <i>Computers and Intractability: A Guide to the Theory of NP-Completeness</i>, ISBN 0-7167-1045-5, W. H. Freeman, San Francisco, 1979.<p>and more recent sources).<p>IIRC that polynomial criterion came from J. Edmonds. More IIRC, he left his Ph.D. program early and did and published some of his work on networks. Eventually a committee of his former professors came to him and said that should he stack his publications and put a staple in one corner, that stack would be accepted as his Ph.D. dissertation and he would get his Ph.D.
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jitendrac将近 5 年前
From what I believe, many of the old days Mathematicians were given PhD by various institutes after they got famous. Not all had PhD, but most of good one got it after being recognized. Also don&#x27;t forget many people of that time did not publicize their work.
Joof将近 5 年前
I&#x27;d agree with the hypothesis that a PhD let&#x27;s you hang out and get paid to do a lot of math. My brain is pretty spent from writing code -- I don&#x27;t have time to spend doing more math.
adamsea将近 5 年前
It also depends on the person, no?
mcguire将近 5 年前
&quot;<i>A PhD is less important for doing groundbreaking applied engineering and entrepreneurial work, especially in tech.</i>&quot;<p>I&#x27;m just going to sit here and ponder &quot;groundbreaking entrepreneurial work&quot; for a while. Is it like &quot;financial innovation?&quot;<p>Anyway, I&#x27;ll also point to Matt Might&#x27;s illustrated guide: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;matt.might.net&#x2F;articles&#x2F;phd-school-in-pictures&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;matt.might.net&#x2F;articles&#x2F;phd-school-in-pictures&#x2F;</a>
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