Google has ticked off IBM, Oracle, and many in the open-source world

Discussion 3 days ago <i>Why IBM doesn’t agree with Google’s Open Usage Commons for the Istio project (ibm.com)</i> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=23776994" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=23776994</a>

There is concern that some people can not access the link. Here it is from Web Archive:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20200712115236&#x2F;http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.businessinsider.com&#x2F;google-ibm-istio-trademark-open-source-2020-7?IR=T" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20200712115236&#x2F;http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.busine...</a>

I&#x27;m not sure if calling Kubernetes a strategic mistake is real.<p>The fight over container orchestration was not over until everyone felt safe and could trust it. Development experience, features etc did play a role as well, but it probably couldn&#x27;t win it alone. CNCF played a huge role to its widespread success if you don&#x27;t count early adopters.<p>I&#x27;m not sure if this is a right move after all the support that Google did put behind CNCF.<p>I personally would be more happy to see Google being more transparent with their intends instead of saying it&#x27;s all about trademark management.

Google needs improvement on self awareness w.r.t. open source. They used to be better at generating good will in the community. They&#x27;ve certainly done a lot to make many people needlessly unhappy in recent years. It&#x27;s like a fat cat who owns the whole cake, yet claws the little guy for wanting a few crumbs.

Tempest in a teapot. What&#x27;s wrong with competing open source foundations? Wrong people on the board?!<p>I find this supremely rich considering OpenJDK is 100% Oracle and not under the wing of any foundation. So much for open governance. Of course OpenJDK as an internal Oracle project has some hybrid imaginary &quot;board&quot; where Oracle has 2 of the 5 seats by default and you need 4 votes to veto something (which means, no dice without Oracle).<p>IBM of all should be used to fork projects just to control the pace and trademark. See the recent GraalVM fork (made by RedHat).

If this is a pure trademark issue, what keeps the &quot;ticked off&quot; organizations from forking the project under a non-trademarked name? Just call it cloudweasel, or something.

Paywall. Not cool.

Crazy i don&#x27;t see a paywall, are they turning the paywall of if they have many hits without logins? Maybe??

Annoying paywall, how is businessinsider.com even allowed on HN nowadays? Here is the full article: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;1oTMU" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;1oTMU</a><p>&gt; While Istio is an open-source project — meaning anybody, anywhere can contribute code<p>Seems the meaning of open source is getting more and more perverse as time goes on. Open source never has meant that anyone can contribute code, it&#x27;s just about you being able to use&#x2F;modify the code as you wish. In no way does open source projects automatically means they have an open governance, although those two licenses&#x2F;methods are often combined together.