On Trouser Pockets

The dismissiveness in this thread is unreal. From the comments you&#x27;d think the article only had one sentence insulting the Sanctity of Cargo Pants. If you happily wear baggy jeans or cargo pants, these are not for you and you don&#x27;t have the problem they solve.<p>It&#x27;s an elegant solution to wear slim fitted pants without awful hip pocket bulges. Cargo pants are not the solution here, as they are huge and baggy and the pockets flop around with anything in them.<p>I&#x27;d love to try these.

&gt;&quot;Appendix: Sam, have you simply invented cargo pants?<p>&gt;No. Cargo pants are fashion-as-pretend-occupation — when not at work, wear a fancy chronometer to suggest you’re a pilot or a diver, or camo to suggest you’re in the military. Cargo pants are a paratrooper costume. Cargo shorts have giant external pouches so teenagers in the 90’s, trapped in school, could say (sartorially) “I go out into the world and do adventurous things!” even though the things they stored in those pouches were doritos and portable cd players.<p>&gt;I am discussing clothing as it might be worn by people while doing their real jobs, not their pretend ones. If cargo pants are appropriate for your real job, you definitely don’t want or need my side-seam welt pockets; and vice-versa.&quot;<p>Apologies if I&#x27;m dense but it is just a reinvention of cargo pants albeit in a more slick way.<p>And several techwear brands already provide this kind of pockets and gravity pockets as well<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Cw8EKP7Qs7U" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Cw8EKP7Qs7U</a>

Cargo pants are not the only pants with side pockets. I suggest that you take a look at hiking pants.<p>Hiking clothing is my preferred kind, even if I am not hiking. Here are some arguments:<p>- They tend to look neutral. Not flashy like other kind of sportswear, and not as obvious as cargo pants.<p>- They are comfortable, reasonably durable, and low maintenance. They are made for hiking after all.<p>- They tend to have plenty of pockets, including ones in the location recommended by the article.<p>- Zippers on pockets are common. Makes them safer. They usually have some sort of water resistance too.<p>- Speaking of water resistance, it is another great feature of hiking pants, they often have a hydrophobic coating (that doesn&#x27;t always last unfortunately) and are designed to dry quickly. Rain doesn&#x27;t only happen during hikes.<p>Of course, their neutral style is a negative if you want to make a fashion statement, but in a casual setting, if you don&#x27;t care and don&#x27;t want others to care, this is perfect.

Y&#x27;all are a little touchy about someone criticizing your cargo pants! Consider that perhaps his criticism hits a nerve because there is an element of truth in it - for most people (myself included as a younger person), the symbolism of cargo pants is as important as the function.

This is a cool exercise, but there&#x27;s a broken assumption. Or an assumption of no outwear I missed:<p>&gt; Where is there enough support to prevent items swinging around uncomfortably?<p>He answered this with a box basically around the thighs, but I&#x27;d also add the torso and maybe even the upper arms.<p>A personal bugbear of mine is jackets without internal breast pockets. When you have one on each side of a jacket that isn&#x27;t ultra lightweight, it fits a wallet and phone perfectly, it&#x27;s super accessible, and it doesn&#x27;t change the appearance. In San Francisco where you never really need to zip&#x2F;button up your jacket, it&#x27;s perfect. This is the hill I will die on.

I like the idea of rethinking an everyday item to make it more usable, while also attending to aesthetics. A lot of technologies could be improved by just writing down a list of &quot;What&#x27;s this thing really supposed to do?&quot; And then, iterating on that list as the design evolves.<p>In the case of this article, I have three more feature requests:<p>1. The pocket should be narrow enough so the phone can&#x27;t rotate sideways while it&#x27;s in there. That&#x27;s my biggest complaint about cargo or hiking pants, which is what I typically wear.<p>2. Pay attention to how the phone behaves while riding a bike. I don&#x27;t want pants that require me to find a special place for my phone while I&#x27;m out and active. But the author&#x27;s designs look like they stand a real chance.<p>3. The pocket should be slightly &quot;hooked&quot; on the inside, so my phone doesn&#x27;t slide out during my nap. I owe two broken phone screens to this phenomenon.

You seem kind of touchy on the &#x27;cargo pocket&#x27; subject, which is the first thing that came to mind for me. Glad you found something that works for you.<p>Google &#x27;dockers cell phone pocket&#x27;. You can already get shorts and pants with a cell phone pocket on the side. Some very similar to yours, some zippered, some a little closer to the hip, some a little lower.

Very interesting idea.<p>I&#x27;m a bit worried about pickpockets though with the pockets so low. Right now if I&#x27;m worried about them (I live in Barcelona where they are a major pest!) I put my hands in my pockets. That won&#x27;t work if they&#x27;re so far down.<p>However I do love rethinking common things we take for granted, especially about clothing. For one I don&#x27;t understand how the common business suit is so popular. It looks really old-fashioned (has hardly changed design over the years), has all sorts of non-functional appendages like those flaps on the jackets, collars, cuffs, ties, nonfunctional pockets, buttons you&#x27;re not supposed to use etc. They&#x27;re super uncomfortable, restrictive and sweaty. And they&#x27;re really generic, everyone from a store manager to a president wears them. And for what? Everyone in business wears them so they&#x27;re not proving anything.. It&#x27;s almost like a uniform. Humanity shouldn&#x27;t be that shallow :) Uniforms are about stripping a person of their identity whereas business and politics is all about being more distinctive than others. I really don&#x27;t get why this is such a thing :)

Pockets on dress pants are placed right below the waistband not because someone thought that&#x27;s the most convenient place for pocket access, but because it conceals them (there, they are hidden under a jacket. Or were, since no one wears a jacket and tie anymore). They&#x27;re actually there because, indirectly, it&#x27;s a LESS convenient place to put them.<p>They&#x27;re also sewn in line with the outside seam, again to help conceal them.<p>Pockets are not a feature to showcase on dress pants, and in most cases take away from the formality of the garment.

He’s reinvented the knife pocket in carpenter jeans. There’s also usually a loop nearby for hanging a hammer so you don’t have to walk around with your tool bags.

Carhartt makes pants with a &quot;cell-phone&quot; pocket that approximates the author&#x27;s design. They&#x27;re great -- they&#x27;ve become a stalwart in my rotation. Durability is mixed, but I&#x27;m in love with the pocket.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.carhartt.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;Rugged-Work-Khaki-Pant-100095" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.carhartt.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;Rugged-Work-Khaki-Pant-100...</a>

It is quite impressive, and slightly unreal, the variety of articles which get HN readers worked up.<p>But, truth be told, I enjoy these threads where I absolutely have no opinion and can look, sometimes in amusement but mostly in wonderment, at all sides of the debates.<p>Keep the passion strong, fellow readers.

Those pockets look exactly like the pockets on kühl (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kuhl.com&#x2F;kuhl&#x2F;mens&#x2F;pants&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kuhl.com&#x2F;kuhl&#x2F;mens&#x2F;pants&#x2F;</a>) pants and those pants come in all sorts of shapes and sizes not just cargo pants. I can attest to the fact that they are very practical for using for modern smartphones which have definetly become to large for front pockets.

I cannot even begin how much I love cargo trousers.<p>Ever since I have started earning, I buy as many cargos as I can buy. During college, I used to buy from factory sale. Always rummaging through all leading websites like Myntra, Amazon, Flipkart, et al for a good deal on cargos, almost on a daily basis. I buy one at least on a monthly basis. If I don&#x27;t like it, I just return and get my money back. Today morning itself I bought an H&amp;M cargos from their website&#x27;s 50% sale.<p>I am quite parsimonious too, so buy only those which are offered at 50 - 70% discount and that too from big brands like USPA, H&amp;M, et al.<p>Recently, I have taken a lot of fondness for H&amp;M cargos. I am a person who needs at least 5.5&quot; - 6.1&quot; iPhone (since I read a lot on it) and protect my iPhone with Otterbox Defender&#x2F; Griffin Survivor cases. Love the rugged look which the protective cases lend akin to top-secret military&#x2F; CIA satellite spy phone.<p>Ipso facto, I need cargos to carry my iPhone around.<p>I wear cargos to work daily as well. Have started researching the availability of formal cargo trousers. Very soon I would be moving to Canada and then to the USA, not sure how much acceptable is cargos in the workplace there.<p>Very soon, once I am well disposed of, I plan to design and stitch my own cargos, particularly formal ones. Would be drawing a lot of inspiration from USPA and H&amp;M cargos, and would be researching on a tough, thick, stretchable fabric as well.

Pretty much all work pants (like Dickie&#x27;s) have this, in addition to regular pockets.

This kind of pocket in the article appeals to me and were I in search of new pants I would certainly consider them.<p>I used to tell my wife that one of the primary considerations I make when looking for pants is that they have usable pockets: not too big, not too small. Mostly, this is doable for me. However, when we started shopping for her I would joke about the female fashion conspiracy to sell more accessories: they don&#x27;t put in pockets in women&#x27;s clothes so they can sell clutches, purses and other stuff. All that aside I think it&#x27;s just figuring out what works for you and there&#x27;s more than one way to handle personal storage needs.

I have a similar pair from Duluth Trading[1], but what kills me is having the &#x27;extra&#x27; pocket on only one side - I am sure that works perfectly for some, but for me, I very much want my phone on my left leg, it&#x27;s like trying to unlearn a common key combo to have to look for it on the right.<p>1: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.duluthtrading.com&#x2F;mens-duluthflex-ballroom-slim-fit-khaki-pants-84310.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.duluthtrading.com&#x2F;mens-duluthflex-ballroom-slim-...</a>

I hadn&#x27;t even really thought about it, but I&#x27;ve had pockets like this for a few years in pants from Patagonia and Black Diamond. They are indeed quite nice, exactly as the author describes. Best for a phone or slender wallet.

You&#x27;ve invented carpenter jeans, from the late 90s. If you want to buy a modern equivalent, the Prana Bronson jeans are exactly this. Bonus points, they come in shorts with the same Pixel XL sized pockets.

When I’m not wearing comfy “tech pants” with extra internal pockets (Prana, REI, and so on) I’ve been wearing a lot of blazers. Extra pockets that, blessedly, aren’t in my pants; dresses you up but not so much that people in my hickish ‘burbs are put off, rather than dressing you down like a hoodie. Appropriate in almost all weather, if you’ve got the right kinds of cloth and weight. Love ‘em.

This is cool. Living in South Africa where the crime rate is ultra-high, the first thing that occurred to me was that this pocket design looks like it might be easier to pick-pocket while standing?

When I worked at my first job my mentor, the lead sysadmin, had a vest that his mother in law had made for him.<p>It had a ton of pockets of all different sizes, including one large one for his Newton. He always had enough pockets and could reach everything standing or sitting, and even while driving.<p>He was all about efficiency. He also had shoes that you could clip wheels to and turn them into roller blades, so he could snap those on and be at the datacenter in seconds, as long as no one was in the hall. :)

Tangentially related, but relevant to some of the discussion here, and a good read:<p>Christopher Wylie: can fashion save the world?<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.archive.is&#x2F;hoUbT" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.archive.is&#x2F;hoUbT</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;search?q=Christopher+Wylie+can+fashion+save+the+world" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;search?q=Christopher+Wylie+can+fashio...</a><p>&gt;&#x27;Wylie started work as a fashion trend forecaster, before switching roles to help the Liberal Democrats update their voter targeting. He saw the potential for harvesting Facebook data to help build psychological profiles of its users, which could in turn be used to target them with political ads. It was an idea that, in 2013, got him hired at the SCL Group — the parent company of Cambridge Analytica.<p>...Fashion and music, Wylie says, are among the best predictors of political orientation. And as such, they have the potential to help shift the political conversation. The following is an edited and abridged transcript of a conversation he had with Imran Amed, the BoF founder, and the FT to explain how fashion is in the perfect position to make the world a better place.&#x27;

&gt; Things, especially phone, need to go in and out of storage frequently, almost unconsciously.<p>Maybe if Facebook or Google were designing pants to maximize user engagement, that’d be the case. But I’d say good UX means that taking your phone out should be a conscious decision, not a compulsive habit.<p>I like the idea though. The design looks nice and it’s nice that someone’s thinking about this, because we seem to be in a path towards tight pants and giant phones.

This is a great overview and history of a sadly under appreciated problem. Well, actually a huge number of people suffer so <i>they</i> appreciate the problem but it is poorly discussed.<p>My only objection is so something in the coda:<p>&gt; Cargo pants aren’t office-wear<p>I have been in the workforce for almost 40 years and have never worked somewhere where anyone would bat an eye at cargo pants.

I agree with the baseline principles, but these pockets are at the edge of reach, which is far from convenient. I was sure they would end up with a waist level pocket, in a stretchy material, on top of the belt area.

I like the pocket design. No need to attack other people&#x27;s choices though regarding cargo pants and shirts. I have some arcteryx and outlier pants that change up the pocket design just enough to be great.

I really appreciate the design and thought that went into these pants. Goes to show what is possible when you can craft your own clothes and break free of the constraints of mass produced clothes.<p>Would have been cool to see the pants in a wool plaid or suiting material to emphasize their dressiness. I think people are getting cargo pants vibe because of the dark green twill.

I am sorry, Sam. You just <i>reinvented cargo pants</i>. :P

&gt; So I made a pair of trousers with no pockets at the waist, and a pair of welt pockets at the side seams, right at that point.<p>Weirdly, the pictures pants are not slim jeans, thought that was the motivating problem. They look like not particularly slim khakis.<p>The pocket location is also quite similar to the low-profile cargo pocket location on some of the 5.11 Tactical pants that are designed for unobtrusive utility, addressing a somewhat similar problem space (useful pockets in relatively slim pants.) So, I&#x27;m not sure there is really an innovative solution here<p>But, like most middle-to-upper class fashion for centuries, the driving force between the popularity of skinny jeans is the ostentatious sacrifice of utility because the need for useful clothing is a marker of proletarian status. And the signalling is as much to the wearer as outside observers, so I&#x27;m not sure there&#x27;s going to be a mass market demand for this.

I applaud new thinking, but his proposed solution doesn&#x27;t even meet his proposed criteria.<p>&gt; <i>Aesthetically, we want a clean, graceful line from hip to ankle even while holding things.</i><p>How are side bulges above the knee clean and graceful?<p>&gt; <i>Where is there enough support to prevent items swinging around uncomfortably?</i><p>Because pants are looser around the knee than the waist, heavy items like a phone will constantly be swinging around uncomfortably down there -- same as they do in cargo pants.<p>As for the problem that started it all:<p>&gt; <i>Putting a modern slab phone, a wallet, and keys into a pair of skinny jeans will leave even the most fashionable figure looking looking like they’re wearing batman’s utility belt as underwear.</i><p>A little bit, yes, but it&#x27;s really just the least bad solution. Everything else is even worse. The market has settled on pockets as they are, because they actually truly work best.

I like the idea but why only show photographs from one angle? This is a clothing item, give us more pictures so we can see it from all sides and judge its aesthetics.

Kuhl has been doing this for years, but they chose a slightly higher place on the pantline than Bleckley did. Wonder why.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kuhl.com&#x2F;kuhl&#x2F;mens&#x2F;pants&#x2F;rydr-jean&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kuhl.com&#x2F;kuhl&#x2F;mens&#x2F;pants&#x2F;rydr-jean&#x2F;</a>

I would buy these pants in a heartbeat. I&#x27;m fairly slender, like tight fitting pants, but hate the hip pockets. Cargo pants are baggy and everything rattles around in the large pockets. These are a really thoughtful middleground where you don&#x27;t have to sacrifice style for utility.

I just checked, I already own a pair like this. The pocket is horizontal, not slanted, and the pants are dark grey slacks. The pocket is only on the right side. It fits a smaller sized cell phone or a money clip. They were bought at a thrift store for maybe $10, so I&#x27;ve no idea on retail prices. I can&#x27;t say I ever use that pocket, but more than a handful of times maybe. When I put my keys in there, they bang against my knee and make a weird bulge when I sit down and cross my legs. Fit is super important here. Either that or very lightweight and small objects. I&#x27;d rather just have deeper &#x27;normal&#x27; side pockets.<p>What am I missing here?

<i>Cargo pants are fashion-as-pretend-occupation</i><p>Nobody tell him about tactical kilts†. He&#x27;ll have an aneurysm.<p>†&quot;Utilikilts&quot; for those in Seattle.

Very cool! I’ve gotten into pants-making over quarantine, I’ll have to try this out. I had never considered pockets like this before (that I remember), but when I read the title my first idea was the article’s implementation

Forgive me if I am wrong or ignorant, but wouldn’t this design be very weak since all the weight of the items in the pocket falls onto one seam? Most pants anchor the pocket bag to the waist, which is much more durable.

Personal anecdote:<p>I&#x27;ve lost around 20kg 2 years ago and were able to fit into a nice pair of slim jeans I used to wear in high school (around mid 00&#x27;s). I&#x27;ve always carried my wallet in a left hand pocket and my phone+headphones in a right hand pocket. I couldn&#x27;t fit any modern smartphone into the right hand pocket - the pocket was too short and your phone sticked out of the pocket all the time.<p>Kinda interesting, how the spread of modern computer devices changed a little detail in mass market fashion design.

Mountain Hardware, Mission Workshop, Lululemon, Outlier and Arcteryx all have some variety on this theme. I love the lightweight zip low-hip pocket as there&#x27;s no jostling when running and your phone&#x2F;wallet lays to the side if you&#x27;re sitting.<p>It&#x27;s true that there is space for innovation, but it&#x27;s difficult to get below the $100-200 range for &#x27;technical&#x27; (ie non-traditional cut) officewear.

Actually - what you have done is recreated the pockets on the LuLuLemon workout gear for ladies.<p>If you have not seen them - women love them. And the pocket is slightly higher than yours.<p>(I love your design, FYI)<p>But go look at high-end womens workout clothes for pocket ideas too.<p>Also, while youre at it, the How I built this podcast with the founder of LuLuLemon is a really fascinating listen.<p>Personally - I am starting down the road to re-invent the backpack - and the umbrella...

At various points, thinking about what I wear to events where well-worn skinny pants are advantageous, I&#x27;ve thought about hip-pouches as a solution to the pocket problem. I&#x27;ve generally found that this runs into an inevitable quandrary:<p>- To carry my wallet+phone+keys, it will need to be reasonably sized - To be <i>trusted</i> with my wallet+phone+keys, it will need to be durable- built out of leather, or at least something like heavy canvas - It can&#x27;t be brightly colored or otherwise goofy, because aesthetics - If you&#x27;re wearing something on your hip that is dark-colored, made of heavy-duty material, and is roughly holster-sized, it will generally look like a gun holster to casual or distant inspection. That&#x27;s not only a bad fashion statement, that&#x27;s plausibly dangerous in some circumstances.<p>A pouch mounted right above the knee might solve this (I don&#x27;t think anyone wears their pistol there?) if there&#x27;s a decent way to wear a pouch that&#x27;s not hung from the belt.

I&#x27;d be curious to know how other people are handling this problem without employing cargo pants or custom clothing like this. I&#x27;m a guy who likes wearing skinny jeans and agree that stuffing a wallet, too many security keys, a knife, and a huge phone into the pockets kind of distorts the aesthetic. Do other guys &#x2F; girls just carry their stuff in backpacks?

I wonder how pickpocket-safe they are because the lower placement would allow someone to reach my pockets without entering my field of view. I mean back pockets and the side pockets of cargo pants also aren&#x27;t safe, but those trousers usually have the regular side pockets as a safe alternative for phone &amp; money.

I would add one item to the list of requirements: as I walk around and engage in other movements, objects should not flop around uncomfortably or jiggle around and make noise more than necessary.<p>That is a big advantage of locating pockets near the hips. First of all, as you walk your hips stay in a relatively fixed position, whereas your knees move back and forth a lot. So items nearer the knees are swung back and forth a lot more. Also, close to the waist where the cloth fits more tightly. Looser cloth closer to the knee tends to swing back and forth because there is more slack which allows it to do so.<p>Unfortunately, I don&#x27;t know way to solve this and solve the problems that they have solved like accessibility when you&#x27;re sitting down. Maybe you could stick pockets near the hip but on the side of the body instead of front or back. But those pockets would have to bend a whole lot.

I wear the kind of slim-fit trousers that this article shows at the end. I like this improved pocket idea; it&#x27;s functional <i>and</i> elegant. (Although for non-black trousers, I wonder about the discreetness of it.)<p>My &#x27;workaround&#x27; when I&#x27;m on the bicycle -- which is everyday -- for phone has been this (rather expensive, but robust) every day carry-on backpack with a hidden-but-accessible phone pocket:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.abordage-shop.com&#x2F;12240-thickbox_default&#x2F;brooks-england-pickwick-cotton-canvas-12l-grey-gris.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.abordage-shop.com&#x2F;12240-thickbox_default&#x2F;brooks-...</a><p>Alas, OP, you say &quot;no sales&quot; ... perhaps I should start taking sewing classes, which reminds me, there&#x27;s a hacker space (the only one in town) near me that also gives sewing workshops. Once the world fully reopens.

Nobody would miss the pockets on top for a place to hang your hands? I depend on this to take some load off my spine sometimes. And I feel like pocketing away my hands is like a “mute button” on a certain amount of proprioception when I need to really do some thinking or relaxing.<p>Love everything else about this btw.

Love this. Would be great to see these in stores. An unfortunate thing about the apparel industry (which I think contributes to how outdated clothing styles have been) is that it&#x27;s all about the marketing budget and distribution channels. Things like getting your brand onto racks in stores and massive online ad campaigns become the key things to your business. That doesn&#x27;t really encourage much innovation on product, it&#x27;s securing the channel that really matters. A large brand&#x27;s marketing budget can simply just eclipse yours to do better in sales. As you become bigger, all the attention simply shifts to supply chain, distribution, and increasing sales. All optimization problems, almost doesn&#x27;t matter what you make.<p>Hope that changes though

Regarding the limitations of the fashion industry...<p>Learning to sew clothes is like learning to cook after eating fast food all your life and not even knowing it was possible to combine ingredients in any way you wanted.<p>The possibilities are endless, empowering, overwhelming, and terrifying.

These kinds of lower, often-slanted-up-and-back pockets are somewhat common in exercise wear. And they&#x27;re great for the most part. Though your legs move a lot, they don&#x27;t often move in a just-vertical up and down path, so as long as you have horizontal stability (very easy here as your leg curves) nothing really jostles.<p>They do have a nasty habit of losing their contents while driving (knees often higher than waist), or sitting cross-legged. Buttons &#x2F; zippers &#x2F; etc combat this of course (magnetic closures are my favorite), but they are also a bit more visible and sometimes uncomfortable :)

You should checkout running tights, pants and shorts. Nearly all brands are implementing this kind of different pockets and zippers. Both women and men design differs for their anatomy as well.

I have Levi&#x27;s and Dockers have pants that have a very similar pocket.<p>Levi Denizen 231; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.target.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;denizen-174-from-levi-s-174-men-s-athletic-fit-jeans-231-153-black-36x30&#x2F;-&#x2F;A-17103165" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.target.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;denizen-174-from-levi-s-174-men-s-a...</a><p>Dockers comfort cargo; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;gp&#x2F;product&#x2F;B002Q8HM96" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;gp&#x2F;product&#x2F;B002Q8HM96</a>

I am only here to say: Put pockets on all women clothes!! Thank you.

TFA notes that people take their phones out of pockets. I believe the real reason for that is phones are now so large that they are uncomfortable to have in any pocket while sitting.<p>Also, idk - if your pants are so tight that you can&#x27;t make use of the pockets you are definitely risking a Tom Brady moment <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=DAMUArVQtks" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=DAMUArVQtks</a>

Hiking pants have these. I have a couple and it&#x27;s great. They are usually zippered also. I think you don&#x27;t see this on dress pants because &quot;fashion&quot;.

I’ve got a pair of pants from REI that have a pocket down there, and I instinctively put my phone there all the time, because of how accessible it is when sitting. It’s great!

This pocket appears to be identical to the ones in my wife&#x27;s yoga pants. I thought it was a good idea when I saw it, but it&#x27;s certainly not original.

Agreed to lack of innovation and creativeness in this world of mass production. Even women receive a great level of innovation with changes in sizes and some fundamental changes but for men, it&#x27;s the same 3 pieces of clothes which are important (because that&#x27;s what is available) - jeans, shirts, tees. Pockets is a good way to start but this definitely needs to expanded to the fundamental core.

My favorite pants have a similar feature: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B07ZHFNG5J&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B07ZHFNG5J&#x2F;</a><p>I got them for taking my son on hikes, but liked them so much I got more and started wearing them to work too. I don’t even use the standard pockets anymore, just the thigh pockets for the reasons described in the article.

Lots of yoga pants actually have this pocket! It&#x27;s good for not having a huge lump on your hips but still being able to hold things like your phone

Chest is a good place for pockets. Like the breast pocket on a tshirt. Or the multipocket on overalls.<p>Back pocket is fantastic as long as you don&#x27;t sit down. And to take that to the next level, a finish carpenter&#x27;s toolbelt. A back pocket big enough to fit a cantaloupe. With partitions. And you can slide the whole thing around to various places on your butt and hips as the situation requires.

Propper&#x27;s STL pant series take a similar tact for their cargo pockets. It&#x27;s definitely a massive improvement in terms of business-casual looking workwear that doesn&#x27;t sacrifice utility.<p>I hope pockets like these do take off. I know too many women who&#x27;ve lamented the fact that they have few options for practical pants that don&#x27;t also trade out the style of tighter-fitting women&#x27;s wear.

Alternatively, more pockets on tops. Fall&#x2F;winter has much more carrying flexibly: anorak with stomach pocket, winter jackets with chest pockets.<p>Also I find it ironic women&#x27;s work out tights have phone side pockets already figured out but men&#x27;s are still limited to a key pouch on the back. Also very functional mesh panels but I suppose that&#x27;s to close to mesh shirts for most dudes.

It&#x27;s funny, I actually had a pair of something similar in the &#x27;90s.<p>I had a pair of charcoal grey men&#x27;s pants of some unknown heavier fabric that were cut slim instead of baggy like cargo pants or work pants, and had a pair of discrete flap pockets instead of bulky cargo pockets on them. I adored those pants.<p>I&#x27;d love a pair of slim-cut black jeans with that kind of pocket on them.

Actually, cargo pants are quite trendy right now as techwear.<p>Whether or not they stay in style, at least they&#x27;ll always be functional.

Me, Inwould avoid the whole problem and remove the pocket from the clothing - I have a lycra-like arm and that holds a phone for jogging and it is useful enough that if I could just slap it onto any piece of clothing and it would stay then I have a pocket I can put onto any clothing i want at any location

The only time I&#x27;ve ever lost my wallet was out of cargo pants because the pockets were too big and loose.<p>I&#x27;d definitely try a pair of these trousers as I hate sitting on my phone, but I&#x27;d still want regular front pockets too for keys.

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I&#x27;m not even going to read the comments. These pockets meet my needs. Where can I buy the pants?

My Dickies work jeans have a pocket like the one described in the article, but at the back of the right leg, not the side. I&#x27;m pretty sure this is because if you&#x27;re wearing a tool belt or safety harness none of the traditional pockets are accessible.

This is not exactly revolutionary. I have multiple pairs of bike shorts with slim elastic pockets in that spot. (Actually, a few inches higher, which is easier to reach without bending, and doesn&#x27;t get in the way any more than the proposed location.)

I have a pair of shorts that are just about to wear out that have a pocket like these, and I love them! Sadly, Patagonia stopped making them years back, and I can’t find any back stock with them.<p>These trousers look great. I wonder if he’ll make me some...

These pants look awesome. If there was a Kickstarter for these I’d place an order for a few. I like cargo pants because of the side pockets but dislike the bagginess and the other useless little pocket, so these are near perfect.

There are exercise pants for women that have a transparent tight netting&#x2F;mesh on the legs that run the entire length, and are tight against the skin. I think they are much better for objects that are not rigid.

So funny that I thought precisely about this solution for a long time; but never even considered trying to &quot;build&quot; it myself. Kudos to Sam for doing it. Bravo.

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I like these. They are cool. They are definitely not cargo pants. Neat solution with the angled pocket.<p>Sadly tho the world has ended and no one will ever need office slacks again.

This was such a promising article until it became apparent that, despite the intimation of early paragraphs, the author had no real answer for the pocketlessness women are subjected to...

I like them. So you&#x27;ve eliminated side and butt pockets? I can see keeping the butt pockets as a display platform for design touches, branding etc but inseam side pockets can be discarded.

SkirtCraft make great skirts for men and women with four deep pockets.

These are present on my carpenter pants; I find them invaluable for holding my phone, some rags (I have kids) and similar need-to-have-near-always things.

There&#x27;s a subculture around Everyday Carry (EDC) which has a whole niche market for products like this. This would be an excellent product for that market.

I love this idea. I generally only carry a wallet and a phone, one in each front pocket.<p>Love the idea of having side pockets for them with the slanted&#x2F;deep pocket approach.

Not everyone can wear jeans + tshirt to the office. Borrowing athletic- and work-wear inspired designs for office&#x2F;formal cloths has huge potential.

&gt; Women used to have pockets. That “used to” has to count back 150 or even 200 years, and those pockets were often a separate garment, either worn underneath and accessed through a slit in the dress, or worn around the hips overtop, rather than built into the dress directly — but regardless, “it has pockets!” as a joyous surprise is a modern invention.<p>This part seems particularly unconvincing - if you take this at face value, all women&#x27;s clothes &quot;have pockets&quot; because women typically carry a purse. I don&#x27;t know many people who would agree with that.

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I once had a levi&#x27;s that had a chained pocket in lower back thigh. Awesome place to store phone. I miss the jeans though

Painter&#x2F;workman jeans with a second set of pockets at the knees came into fashion when cellphones shrunk to pocket size.

what I hate are those tiny change nooks sewn into the right trouser pocket so it&#x27;s like a pocket within a pocket.<p>In theory they&#x27;re fine except I always put my keys into my right pocket because I&#x27;m right handed. My keys will fall into these mini pockets and get stuck.<p>These mini pockets should really be on the left side.

This approach is popular in women’s leggings; look for N-shaped bar&#x2F;diagonal patterns on the leg stitching.

Why not have the phone in a pocket higher on the torso? Like a gun holster.

Didn&#x27;t 5.11 have something like this? Chinos that fit AR mags.

What sort of pattern did you start with?<p>Did you DL one, buy one or make your own?

These kind of pockets exist already particularly in workwear

Jacket pockets solve lots of these problems. Very nice imho.

When is the Kickstarter happening? I&#x27;d order a pair.

Cargo pants are even better if you complement them with a tool-belt.<p>&#x2F;s

There are several designers already doing exactly that.

These look very much like a pair of hiking pants I have.

These are kinda just skinny cargo pants, no?

Damn it (wo)man, I so agree, when I was 12-15 we wore &quot;workers&quot;, comfy, lots of big pockets. Wish then would become cool again.

So where to order? Sign me up please.

Just take a handbag.

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With no pockets on the butt it makes the pants look weird. The plain area is just too empty. Might I suggest adding the words &quot;sexy&quot; or &quot;pink&quot;

Guys, I&#x27;m sorry to tell you this, but you look like a dork in cargo pants, and everyone knows it but you.

The problem statement discusses the undesirable trade-offs of tight&#x2F;skinny jeans, yet the model solution isn&#x27;t even remotely representative of the framework that it suggestively seeks to improve.<p>I can&#x27;t help but see this pocket as a liability; a cost-saving excuse to omit a proper securing mechanism of sorts shrouded by a pitch of being innovative. In a perfectly postured world with 2 operational modes--standing and sitting--this <i>might</i> be good enough, but I&#x27;d hardly be willing to risk yet another $600+ cellphone to find out when I&#x27;m crouching, squatting, gargoyling, kicking legs up, riding a bike, in a sports car bucket seat, etc.<p>Furthermore, if it&#x27;s easy for you to slip your phone in and out of, then it&#x27;ll also be easy for thieves to do so as well.