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Amazon gets priority while mail gets delayed, say US letter carriers

488 点作者 80mph将近 5 年前

40 条评论

nomercy400将近 5 年前
The real issue here is the fact that the USPS is overloaded and requires extra government attention. If you don&#x27;t properly fund and support you public postal service, you don&#x27;t get on-time mail deliveries. Maybe that is the issue.<p>This has little to do with Amazon. Amazon is paying the USPS according to their contract. If the contract from 2013 is unsatisfactory, then it should be renegotiated by USPS. I wouldn&#x27;t be surprised if it is a 10-year deal, and has hefty fines for late deliveries.<p>A journalist should be able to request the contract and see why USPS is now overloaded: Is it because USPS is not receiving enough funding from the government, or because the contract with Amazon is really bad for USPS. It sounds like the fact that Amazon is shipping so many parcels is a symptom, not the (systemic) cause of why parcels aren&#x27;t shipped on time. If the USPS is to blame, then who made this deal and what were their reasons? Was it a national deal? Why is it a problem now? Why wasn&#x27;t this anticipated? And how can it be avoided in the future?<p>Aren&#x27;t contracts of the government with private parties publically accessible? I mean, you, the taxpayer, pay for the contract so you should have access to it, as well be able to check on the government&#x27;s workings. At least, that&#x27;s how we do things in europe.
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ThePhysicist将近 5 年前
Well, maybe we need a &quot;delivery neutrality law&quot; as well. In Germany it&#x27;s the same story, DHL treats Amazon packages with utmost care and always delivers them on time, while anything else gets deprioritized. Guess the delivery companies don&#x27;t have much choice here as Amazon packages make up 20-30 % of their parcel business now (at least in Germany), especially since Amazon is building up their own logistics in larger cities to compete with them.
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bennyp101将近 5 年前
I mean, that&#x27;s certainly one way to make sure you can&#x27;t vote by mail!<p>But is this not a case of an underfunded agency, that is trying to do its best in a bad time, with no money, and trying to placate those who shout loudest?<p>I&#x27;d wager that packages (not just Amazon) make up a lot more post than actual letters nowadays - I know I rarely have any post (although UK) as everything is online - but if people aren&#x27;t getting their next&#x2F;same day delivery on time, then they kick off and shout about it - which isn&#x27;t going to please Amazon, and the USPS don&#x27;t&#x2F;can&#x27;t lose that contract
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barnabee将近 5 年前
Honestly this (or, at leasst, prioritisation of parcels over letters and printed paper) is the right way round. If it were practical I&#x27;d back an actual and punitive financial tax on sending anything via the post that could be communicated electronically instead. Waste of paper and resources.
softwaredoug将近 5 年前
I am worried what&#x27;s going to happen with big vote-by-mail election. How much chaos will ensue with an overwhelmed USPS?<p>We&#x27;ve already seen elections with ballot invalidation rates of 25% in NYC with some of the primaries. A lot had to do with postmark dates and signatures.
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tunnuz将近 5 年前
This is also the case in Italy as far as I know. I was a mailman for the Italian mail service for some months in the summer of 2019. We were encouraged to give priority to paid work (advertisement, other deliveries). Mail doesn’t make any money, it’s just a public service. Which is why the postal service also does banking and has its own mobile carrier. These things pay for the public mail service to work. Anyway this is the case in Italy so maybe it’s not relevant.
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ShroudedNight将近 5 年前
&gt; ...which mandates that the agency pre-fund health benefits for retirees up to 2056.<p>On it&#x27;s face that sounds like an incredibly onerous requirement. Not being a US resident though, it&#x27;s quite possible it makes sense and my ignorance simply can&#x27;t tell. Could someone with more insight provide additional context here?
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crazygringo将近 5 年前
Aside from this article and similar, I can&#x27;t find any credible confirmation that Amazon packages are delivered &quot;fourth-class&quot; or what that means. After all, big bulky boxes are hardly competing against catalogs for space in the mail truck, the differences in size are so huge.<p>Amazon has a private contract with the USPS that presumably puts it in its own unique category regardless of other labels, and the USPS likely loses money for late delivery, so this is just things operating how they&#x27;re intended to operate.<p>The real problem is politics that doesn&#x27;t give the USPS the flexibility to expand. I live in Brooklyn and haven&#x27;t gotten a single package delivered on time by the USPS in the past 3 months, always 1-3 days late.<p>Any normal business hires more employees as business booms, and remember the USPS <i>makes money</i> off Amazon. Unfortunately, the USPS is so hamstrung by politicians that it can&#x27;t simply expand to meet demand, the way e.g. Amazon Fresh has.
yftsui将近 5 年前
Hmm my local postal office never deliver large Amazon package, they just “attempted delivery at 9am but nobody is home”, then come and leave a note later in the mailbox.
clarkevans将近 5 年前
The USPS provides universal service, especially to areas that are unprofitable. Moreover, congress sets their rates instead of letting market forces determine rates. Finally, they are under retirement funding rules that commercial carriers are not. Then, after being required to run unprofitably, legislators observe that the USPS is not competitive?<p>One can&#x27;t help but wonder if Amazon wants to pull up the ladder behind them.
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tmaly将近 5 年前
We are still paying for full prime and I have not seen 2 day shipping in ages.
myself248将近 5 年前
One of my COVID resolutions has been to aggressively attack every source of junkmail I can find.<p>I figure, reducing the load in my mailbox (my actual goal; I haaaaate dead-tree mail) will have the collateral benefit of reducing the load on the carrier&#x27;s shoulder.<p>I&#x27;ve enjoyed partial success so far, but just fired another volley of unsubscribes yesterday. We&#x27;ll see.
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praveen9920将近 5 年前
&gt; he suspected the practice was in response to pressure from superiors on the national level.<p>This I think is the interesting part of the news.
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thatguy0900将近 5 年前
Well 95% of the letters I receive go straight into the trash can, so I&#x27;m really not too concerned if it&#x27;s delayed
prirun将近 5 年前
I cannot believe with the decrease in 1st-class mail that the USPS is still running delivery trucks 6 days per week to every house. It&#x27;s a complete waste of resources.<p>They should go to 3 days per week, then cut back to 2, and maybe even just 1 per week. Since the pandemic, I have been leaving my mail in the box and getting it Sunday night. You know what I&#x27;m missing? Nothing! There may be 2-3 pieces of mail plus some junk mail, and I don&#x27;t get email delivery of any bills: it&#x27;s all physical mail.<p>Most people do not care if they get junk mail plus a few bills every day or once a week. They do care if they get their Amazon packages delivered. So to me, it&#x27;s perfectly reasonable to delay 1st-class mail and prioritize, uh, &quot;priority mail&quot;.
psim1将近 5 年前
Fine with me. I pay Amazon $129 per year for Prime service and if this is one of the ways they arrange it, great. What else comes by mail? Junk, or bills that are due in 3-4 weeks, or statements. First class mail was always kind of variable in delivery speed anyway.
shadowgovt将近 5 年前
That makes sense.<p>Amazon is mostly packages people ordered that they want.<p>Mail is mostly junk mailers that people didn&#x27;t order.<p>Customer satisfaction is optimized by getting the Amazon packages routed higher priority.
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CarbyAu将近 5 年前
Many comments about overtime being banned as though it is a bad thing.<p>My understanding was that &quot;Overtime&quot; was meant to be used sparingly for short term circumstances - not for months on end - to avoid burnout.<p>From a labour cost point of view, most places pay penalty rates for overtime. Often 20% to 50%. Or maybe that is my naive view here in Australia.<p>So wouldn&#x27;t it be cheaper to just hire more employees&#x2F;daytime contractors? Plenty of people looking for work I hear.
yboris将近 5 年前
I&#x27;ve always thought it inefficient to have mail delivered every day. Doing deliveries every other day seems like would be an easy way to save money. No?
smileybarry将近 5 年前
This is true overseas as well. Israel Post used to have huge issues with deliverability, but whenever an Amazon package showed up they&#x27;d get priority and was rarely, almost never, lost or delayed.<p>In fact, they even have a partnership now and text you when an Amazon package arrived (&quot;a package has arrived from Amazon&quot;) but not always when another vendor&#x27;s package arrives, even if there&#x27;s a phone number attached to it.
rovr138将近 5 年前
Where’s the bottleneck?<p>A lot of USPS is via trucks, but what about planes? Don’t they do freight via commercial airlines? Could it be a backlog that’s just increasing?
fortran77将近 5 年前
It&#x27;s not so crazy that the highest rate mail goes through (if that&#x27;s the case) at the expense of bulk-rate mail. But if first-class and priority mail is being delayed, as is being alleged, that&#x27;s a problem. People aren&#x27;t getting the service they paid for.
aaroninsf将近 5 年前
This is the logical analog to and extension of the assault on net neutrality.<p>The reasons this is a fatal stance in a functional first-world democracy are identical.
erichocean将近 5 年前
USPS sent tens of thousands of ePacket (international air mail) packages by boat recently—supposedly the first time in history they&#x27;ve done that. Instead of shipments arriving in 1-2 weeks, they took 6-12 weeks.<p>Completely screwed people over. Our organization has now dropped USPS entirely for international shipments, and we spend a few million annually on shipping.<p>There was also a massive rate increase recently, particularly to the UK, that has made USPS far less competitive compared to other shippers.
heliodor将近 5 年前
The only meaningful mail most people get is packages, so from that point of view, this headline is a good thing not a bad thing.
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sleepless将近 5 年前
Do we need &quot;net neutrality&quot; for mail?
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Threeve303将近 5 年前
The postal service is one of the only ways for democracy to happen this year. Amazon and USPS has been strategically linked by groups that dislike both organizations.<p>First people are told that vote by mail leads to fraud and secondly that Amazon is deeply political and against the current power in Washington. Throw in ownership of the Washington Post, and you a suddenly have a good recipe for a fake news conspiracy to rile up the base with in an election year.<p>Benjamin Franklin knew the power of the post office in the 1700s. They were smart enough back then to know that people spread out to different geographic areas needed a legitimate way to vote and communicate.<p>He also knew that this system should retain some form of government control because the amount of information moving around inside the post office could be used by private parties to influence government affairs.<p>Other than the political angle, the attacks you see against the USPS are simply about money. Over the years, in the rush to privatize, the USPS was set on the path to be a private company.<p>Their idea was you remove funding from USPS, make insane capital requirements for future commitments that no other company has to do, then wait until they have massive capital expenditures.<p>The old mail trucks we are are familiar with have supposedly been catching on fire because they are way past their service dates. As far as I know, the USPS does not have a plan for replacements for these outdated vehicles, and even if they did, where is the money going to come from?<p>Last point in my rant is that you could ask probably half the country or more if Amazon helped bankrupt USPS. I bet many would say yes because that is what they have heard or read in articles. Amazons contract likely provided needed capital to keep USPS going since 2013.<p>Instead, the people who have been actively trying to bankrupt the USPS for more than 30 years are now trying to blame the main private sector company that supports it.<p>It&#x27;s all lies, as usual. The post office has some of the best main street real estate all across the country. Any political crony knows that if they can get their hands on that after being privatized, the control over information in the mail system, and the value of the land all across the country, would turn that crony into quite an oligarch.<p>TLDR; Support your local post office if you care about democracy
sneak将近 5 年前
Are Amazon packages not also “mail” once they have paid the USPS?
tebruno99将近 5 年前
There is other mail than Amazon packages?
beepboopbeep将近 5 年前
The post office has been unduly laden with nonsense financial restrictions by the GOP in two presidencies now (Bush and Trump). Put another way, they&#x27;ve purposefully sabotaged one of the oldest institutions in America in order to crater it on behalf of private businesses.<p>Are there things that can be changed at USPS? Certainly, but they are not the primary cause of distress for this institution. See also: The current assault against the NHS in the U.K.
bawana将近 5 年前
Amazon is more of a threat to the ‘American way of life’ than Communism ever was.
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ngngngng将近 5 年前
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codecrusade将近 5 年前
Break Amazon up. Its a monopoly.
vmchale将近 5 年前
Isn&#x27;t this whole thing started because trump is trying to get back at Bezos? He&#x27;s mad because Bezos owns the Washington Post.
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ALittleLight将近 5 年前
My mail is basically advertisements and bills. I&#x27;d much prefer the packages I order to get priority.
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cphoover将近 5 年前
Good. How often is mail something I need vs spam, or things that could be emailed to me or sent digitally.<p>Amazon are things I needed delivered.
amelius将近 5 年前
USPS should start their own e-commerce website. &quot;Amazon&quot; is a utility.
briandear将近 5 年前
If the USPS would stop filling my box with pounds of junk newsprint and other spam, then I might be sympathetic. Amazon sends me stuff I ask for. The majority of stuff USPS sends me goes directly in the trash. It shouldn’t be allowed to send people bulk mail unless that person opts in. Mailbox spam is worse than digital spam because there is a distinct environmental cost to printing so much crap. USPS shouldn’t be providing discounted services for anyone.
londons_explore将近 5 年前
Amazon&#x27;s contract probably pays extra for every parcel delivered on time.<p>Whereas other USPS users just pay to have it delivered &#x27;probably&#x27; tomorrow.<p>The way to fix this is to align the incentives... Let any company pay only if delivered by a deadline, and let USPS decide what to deliver first.
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twblalock将近 5 年前
This is fine with me. Most of the mail I get from the USPS is junk, and the rest is from Amazon and Ebay. I&#x27;d prefer to get what I want faster than the junk.
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