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China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

228 点作者 baylearn将近 5 年前

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bArray将近 5 年前
As fellow humans, there is no way to look at this situation and find something positive. The actions of the CCP need to be condemned. If you disagree with this point, we are fundamentally at odds.<p>To those complaining about the anti-China narrative, it&#x27;s the CCP (government) which are at fault, not the people. I think we should always make it very clear that it&#x27;s not the Chinese people we take issue with and we are not condemning people based on race.<p>As for actions taken against China and masquerading behind human-rights to justify them, I think it&#x27;s okay to temporary align ourselves with those whose actions align with our ideology, even if the motivation is different. Life is about compromise and we&#x27;re going to find very few allies if we will only work with people perfectly aligned with our own motivations.
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aaomidi将近 5 年前
A recommended watch: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;WmId2ZP3h0c" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;WmId2ZP3h0c</a><p>This is what China wants you to see. Now think about what they don&#x27;t watch you to see.
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throwaway_4228将近 5 年前
&gt; His uncle ... believes the video could galvanise public opinion in the same way that footage of the police treatment of George Floyd became a powerful symbol of racial discrimination in the US.<p>The worrying thing is, protests like those for George Floyd won&#x27;t be possible to happen within China, and even if they happen overseas, most people inside China won&#x27;t even be aware of them.<p>With the information control in place, long lasting suppression against minorities is one of the most terrifying things that can happen.
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armini将近 5 年前
If you&#x27;re interested in this topic, I strongly suggest you all read The China Crisis By: James R. Gorrie It provides amazing insight into what&#x27;s happening in the region &amp; what we can expect to see over the coming years.
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AniseAbyss将近 5 年前
The CCP has two things that keeps them afloat: Chinese nationalism (and lets admit that the US really is out to get them at this point) and the economy.<p>In 20 years China may very well be completely technologically independent rendering economic sanctions impotent and foreigners aren&#x27;t going to be able to change any Chinese minds. Change will have to come from within the CCP, it always amused me that those HK protesters were talking more to the foreign press than trying to infiltrate the mainland bureaucracy.
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Arbalest将近 5 年前
How does one compile this and other evidence to present to expatriate Mainlanders? Is it even worth it?
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beenBoutIT将近 5 年前
That loudspeaker broadcasting fun &quot;facts&quot; is an interesting way to reeducate captives. IIRC, the consensus among most Western experts is that this type of brainwashing isn&#x27;t effective.
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cycomanic将近 5 年前
I&#x27;ve been wondering how I could bring this up with the mainland Chinese I know. It&#x27;s particularly difficult, because for some of them I&#x27;m in a supervisory&#x2F;managerial role, but I don&#x27;t want to put pressure on them, which would raise all sort of other ethical dilemmas and would likely not be effective. Anyone else can share experiences?
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throwaway_pdp09将近 5 年前
There&#x27;s more than enough evidence now with or without this so I&#x27;ll put it simply.<p>Those who defend this abuse of an ethnic group are as complicit as the nazis of last century.
saeranv将近 5 年前
It&#x27;s atrocious what the CCP under Xi is doing. And it&#x27;s dismaying that other quasi-authoritarian countries are taking note. From Basil Rajapaksa (part of the political family in Sri Lanka responsible for various war crimes during the civil war):<p>“I want our party to be a party like the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and how they act... We have learned from many political parties in the world. The best two are the BJP and CCP.” From <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newswire.lk&#x2F;2020&#x2F;07&#x2F;30&#x2F;basil-wants-slpp-to-become-like-chinas-ccp-or-indias-bjp&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newswire.lk&#x2F;2020&#x2F;07&#x2F;30&#x2F;basil-wants-slpp-to-become...</a>.
tigerlily将近 5 年前
My Kazakh office mate is so angry over this. He swears there is going to be jihad.
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auganov将近 5 年前
And don&#x27;t forget what&#x27;s happening to Falun Gong practitioners in China [0][1]. Although I can&#x27;t be sure, from observation it seems to me like this information is still more heavily embargoed both in China and beyond. The persecution of Uighurs is getting China a lot of heat internationally but domestically it doesn&#x27;t seem to be as disruptive.<p>Demonizing Uighurs has been much easier given their different ethnicity, religion and effective confinement to a given region. It&#x27;s easy for people to assume this will never affect them. With Falun Gong you&#x27;re dealing with millions of members of the mainstream Chinese society who have been subject to all this and worse.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go...</a><p>[1] &quot;Hard to Believe - Full Documentary - Now free to watch during coronavirus lockdown&quot; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=RR5o43zZSiA" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=RR5o43zZSiA</a>
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edbob将近 5 年前
This is disgusting. Even in Ad Seg in a Texas prison, with the most violent schizophrenic inmates, you can&#x27;t be handcuffed to a bed.<p>To treat people like this based on their ethnicity is beyond the pale.
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cycomanic将近 5 年前
John Oliver did an excellent piece on the situation of the uighur last week you can watch it here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=17oCQakzIl8" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;m.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=17oCQakzIl8</a><p>I have to say he has really developed his show into an excellent mix of education and entertainment. I used to not like him very much (didn&#x27;t like his type of humor), but I learn something every time I watch one of his shows, even if it covers a topic I&#x27;m already quite familiar with.
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mieses将近 5 年前
The comparison of the situations of the Uighurs and the African Americans is straight out of the CCP propaganda playbook. The Soviet Union used to run stories about racism in the US.
boomboomsubban将近 5 年前
As an American, as terrible as the Chinese actions against the Uighurs in Xinjiang are I still feel we should prioritize ending our nearly twenty year long war in neighboring Afghanistan.<p>We&#x27;ve created millions of refugees, caused over a hundred thousand people to die, and committed numerous human rights violations. Yet the press coverage it gets mostly centers around how we dropped the &quot;mother of all bombs&quot; on them or how disgusting it is to hold peace talks with the Taliban in September.<p>And for all the calls of &quot;whataboutism&quot; this is likely to raise, if we are unable to fix our own problems our attempts to fix China&#x27;s are unlikely to benefit anyone.
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mkbkn将近 5 年前
Downvote me for this - If you&#x27;re using China-made products, you&#x27;re responsible for the bugger balls of CCP, unethical&#x2F;illegal selling of human organs and what not.<p>They are no different from a radical terrorist organization.
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