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Gold price rises above $2k for first time

111 点作者 MindGods将近 5 年前

22 条评论

obayesshelton将近 5 年前
Might be a good time to sell then.<p>&quot;While sitting in the shoeshine chair, Kennedy Sr. was alarmed to have the shoeshine boy gift him with several tips on which stocks he should own — yes, a shoeshine boy playing the stock market.<p>This unsolicited advice resulted in a life-changing moment for Kennedy Sr. who promptly went back to his office and started unloading his stock portfolio.<p>In fact, he didn’t just get out of the market, he aggressively shorted it — and got filthy rich because of it during the epic crash that soon followed.<p>They don’t ring bells at the top, but apparently when shoeshine boys start giving stock advice it is time to head for the exits.&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.businessinsider.com&#x2F;how-to-spot-stock-market-bubbles-2017-10?international=true&amp;r=US&amp;IR=T" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.businessinsider.com&#x2F;how-to-spot-stock-market-bub...</a>
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lkrubner将近 5 年前
I forget where he said it, but at some point Paul Krugman makes the point that the price of gold will tend to rise when real interest rates are low. He makes a similar point here (written in 2019):<p>&quot;After all, the price of gold soared from 2007 to 2011... So why did gold soar? The main answer seems to be plunging returns on other assets, especially bonds, which were the product of a depressed world economy.&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2019&#x2F;07&#x2F;13&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;goldbugs-for-trump.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2019&#x2F;07&#x2F;13&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;goldbugs-for-trum...</a><p>So we should expect the price of gold to rise while the pandemic is out of control. Once the coronavirus is defeated, we should expect the price of gold to fall.
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baconandeggs将近 5 年前
Gold price soaring represents the failure of the political establishment to manage a fiat currency. Populist proclamations via money printing, corporate welfare, and the corrupt dismantling of the rule of law (basically stealing TikTok for example) will only aid in the descent of the current fiat system into new lows and hence take gold into all time highs.
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DrAwdeOccarim将近 5 年前
If Milton Friedman is right, and inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon, it will be interesting to see how this plays out. There is a huge fight right now between deflationary forces caused by an unprecedented collapse in both supply and demand, and inflationary forces from both fiscal and monetary stimuli. The risk I&#x27;ve read over and over is that the stimulus overshoots the deflation risk and we get higher inflation--I think that&#x27;s what gold is starting to respond to. But the most interesting thing to me is that gold does best when deflation takes hold because it forces a massive inflationary push from the government to reflate the currency (e.g., Executive Order 6102 and the Gold Reserve Act of 1934 changing the price of gold from $20.67 to $35 overnight). Talk about an inflationary shock! How would they do it now a days? Direct helicopter money into everyone&#x27;s bank account...oh, wait, we are doing that...But the scary part is that demand is crimped by fear of going out and spending, so we see Amazon beat EPS by 10x because everyone simply spends online instead. What a time to be alive! But joking aside, how do you inflate if people don&#x27;t want to spend? I guess if&#x2F;when a vaccine comes, and everyone rushes back out is when we could see inflation jump.
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dnprock将近 5 年前
Gold is not simply a shiny metal or a collective fiction. I think many historians (e.g. Harari) got this wrong. Humans first learned how to manipulate metal through gold around 40k years ago. It sparked the metal industries that advanced human civilizations. Humans progressed through Bronze Age, Iron Age. Gold was an icon of metal technologies. Its use as money probably predated written history.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bitflate.org&#x2F;post&#x2F;2019&#x2F;11&#x2F;29&#x2F;how-gold-became-money.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bitflate.org&#x2F;post&#x2F;2019&#x2F;11&#x2F;29&#x2F;how-gold-became-money.h...</a>
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grizzles将近 5 年前
Gold: If you don&#x27;t have the physical gold in your IMMEDIATE possession, you don&#x27;t own gold.
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Humphrey将近 5 年前
I bought some about 10 months ago as a practice investment, as I figured it was easier to understand than the share market and it had given an average 10%&#x2F;year return over the past 10 years (well at least in Australian dollars). Kinda wish I bought more though, but who would have predicted a worldwide shutdown?<p>That said, the gold price has barely moved compared to how much silver has skyrocketed the past few weeks.<p>The question I&#x27;m pondering is, is the value of gold&#x2F;silver skyrocketing, or is the real tangible value of the USD crashing? I guess only time will tell ️
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shanehoban将近 5 年前
This got me thinking.<p>If our currencies and financial system were completely based off the value of gold and&#x2F;or other precious metals where the amount on the planet is finite, wouldn&#x27;t this eventually cause the opposite of inflation where the prices of goods and services go down as less and less gold is available as the population grows?<p>Wouldn&#x27;t that also mean that wealth inequality and hoarding of gold make things even cheaper as less and less can afford to buy&#x2F;sell at higher prices?
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j_walter将近 5 年前
The real questions is: Why has gold risen so much and platinum (which is much rarer than gold) stayed relatively flat recently (down since 2009) and is currently worth less than have as much? Platinum was &gt; $2K&#x2F;oz during the 2008-09 financial crisis...it&#x27;s now under $1K&#x2F;oz. What makes gold&#x27;s intrinsic value so much higher?<p>&quot;The price of platinum changes along with its supply and demand; during periods of sustained economic stability and growth, the price of platinum tends to be as much as twice the price of gold; whereas, during periods of economic uncertainty,[7] the price of platinum tends to decrease because of reduced demand, falling below the price of gold, partly due to increased gold prices.&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Platinum_as_an_investment#:~:text=The%20price%20of%20platinum%20changes,because%20of%20reduced%20demand%2C%20falling" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Platinum_as_an_investment#:~:t...</a>
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fredfoobar将近 5 年前
Gold is the oldest ponzi scheme that exists out there!<p>* The practical uses of it are totally diminished because of this &quot;novelty premium&quot;.<p>* Can&#x27;t use it online<p>* Can&#x27;t use it offline either (Can I buy a starbucks with it?)<p>* Securing it and moving it around is risky<p>I don&#x27;t get it, who&#x27;s buying this crap?
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autokad将近 5 年前
I use to scoff at gold investors, I was one of those &#x27;only the sp500 is the right asset class, it always beats every other asset class over the long run&#x27; type people.<p>then in 2019, I saw a chart of asset prices over the last 20 years. Gold, oil, and real-estate out performed the sp500 over that 20 year period (to me, a reasonable &#x27;long period of time&#x27;).<p>its actually still true today in 2020, probably will remain so for a long time.<p>gold aug-2000:aug-2020 = 409:2000 or 4.89x sp500 aug-2000:aug-2020 = 1471:3327 or 2.26x<p>that is serious under performance over a 20 year period, which has been true for ever a year now. not true with oil anymore though.
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fortran77将近 5 年前
I&#x27;m not a gold bug, and I certainly won&#x27;t buy it now at the all-time high prices.<p>That being said:<p>I have enough Krugerands and similar gold coins in a very secure safe (in ground, in concrete) so I could GTFO if I had to and go somewhere else. All 4 of my grandparents had to pack up and leave suddenly and having something small you can pawn&#x2F;hock&#x2F;sell is handy. (Two fled Lithuania, one fled Belarus, and one fled Gaza City in 1929 when all the Jews were suddenly expelled. The families had all been living comfortably in the respective location for hundreds of years--or thousands in the case of Gaza.)
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sawaruna将近 5 年前
I was thinking of buying some gold mining company or gold ETF shares a while ago. Still time for the ETF buy I suppose, but maybe wait for a dip before buying the former.
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lasermike026将近 5 年前
I&#x27;ve always thought of the gold prices as a fear index.
namelosw将近 5 年前
It&#x27;s people vote &quot;I agree that things are really bad now and probably stay the same in the near future&quot; by their own actions.
onetimemanytime将近 5 年前
IMO: if you have tens of millions, buy 10KG of gold and 100kg of silver and bury it just in case. As an investment it sucks when compared to the rest but then a tiny percentage of your networth is nothing when considering that it may be useful if SHTF
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kyboren将近 5 年前
Not surprising. The money supply has increased sharply: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fred.stlouisfed.org&#x2F;series&#x2F;M2" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fred.stlouisfed.org&#x2F;series&#x2F;M2</a>
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ogogmad将近 5 年前
Cryptocurrencies are rallying as well. Some of them tap into the same economic logic as gold.
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wdb将近 5 年前
I have some gold and the storage is more expensive than I thought :)
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pcdoodle将近 5 年前
People lose confidence due to the shutdowns.
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ngcc_hk将近 5 年前
Someone said what is to be watched is gold to silver price ratio. Not sure.
BMSmnqXAE4yfe1将近 5 年前
Wow 263 comments ... interesting to see what hackers really care about)