The Expansion of the Clean Network to Safeguard America’s Assets

Restricting communication with China isn’t just a restriction on China, but on Americans. These laws prevent Americans from freely associating.<p>You see the same spin with immigration and trade restrictions. They are in fact a restriction of Americans’ freedom to trade and associate, but are always presented from the other angle (as a restriction on foreigners).

From a position external to both China and the US, it&#x27;s really hard to see a meaningful difference between the vague propaganda and doublespeak in this announcement and the same kind of announcements from the CCP.

This is incredibly vague. Is this a proposal for some kind of standard or protocol? It says that &quot;many of the world’s biggest telecommunications companies are Clean Telcos&quot;, so whatever it is it can&#x27;t be that difficult to achieve.<p>Is someone familiar enough with this to provide a source that discusses what &quot;Clean Carrier&#x2F;Telco&#x2F;Store&#x2F;etc&quot; entails technically?

soon there will no longer be the one internet. There will internet one for the USA and the &quot;west&quot;, internet two for China and the &quot;east&quot; internet.<p>and maybe a third type of internet for some countries which connects two both Internets (but maybe only one at a time?)<p>so we&#x27;ll have first internet countries (USA), second internet countries (China), and third internet countries (both)

As a US Citizen on the West Coast, my unadvertised research servers have been harassed by PRC IPs and others, without fail, for a decade+. I am not at all associated with the US Federal Government, and do not practice partisan politics.<p>All I know is, I have done nothing myself to PRC China, yet my basic linux and BSD setups are daily refusing all kinds of stupid and smart hack attacks via the Internet from that address range.

Time to get a VPN if you want to communicate across the Great Firewall of America.

I hate the name, even the colonial imperialist associations with Cyber Monroe Doctrine sound more diplomatic than Clean Network. This literally sounds like an intellectual purge. Maybe because it is. This is a very purge-y purge name for a purge.<p>I guess we&#x27;ve officially thrown our hat into the ring for digital sovereignty and cyberpopulism. I wanted some decentralization but not like this.<p>I&#x27;m just upset that China gets Great Firewall and Russia gets Digital Iron Curtain and we get... Clean Network.<p>Is it too much to ask that we at least have better marketing for our authoritarianism?<p>Also, seems like a dated understanding. What happens when the Internet reaches comparable availability via satellite? No wonder they want to test shooting missiles in orbit.<p>With EARN-IT, the H1-B ban, Clean Network, etc., I fear we&#x27;re setting back our scientific and intellectual advantage several generations. The lessons of the Crypto Wars feel distinctly appropriate.<p>I&#x27;m certainly starting to feel the wind blow a certain direction. Only the paranoid survive.

Why aren’t there lines of effort for hardware manufacturing processes, firmware and logistical supply chains?

&gt; Clean Carrier: To ensure untrusted People’s Republic of China (PRC) carriers are not connected with U.S. telecommunications networks. Such companies pose a danger to U.S. national security and should not provide international telecommunications services to and from the United States.<p>I hope this doesn&#x27;t affect international roaming while in the PRC, which tunnels all your traffic through your home country. That&#x27;s how I get around the firewall when I&#x27;m there.

China blocks and keeps out US companies like Google, so not really that surprised. If they can&#x27;t use Google, why should we use TikTok? But on the other hand this does seem a bit concerning, the cool thing about the internet is it connects the world, someone in the US could be friends with someone in the Netherlands and even collaborate on projects and stuff using Github, etc. So if blocking off China is ok instead of building more secure systems, wonder if this is a step down the wrong path? First China, who&#x27;s next?<p>But I&#x27;ve already found this stuff is strange, like a Android Phone manufactured in China can&#x27;t even go to Google&#x27;s website unless you ship the phone out of China or VPN etc yet Google makes Android...<p>I think it&#x27;d be cool to have fully automated factories, just pour in raw materials and new phones pop out. Could even have mini factories closer to where you are selling them too. I do think all the processors or other component being made overseas for critical systems could also be a weakness.

I’d like to see some evidence of 5G being actually cleanable. See for example <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;techcrunch.com&#x2F;2019&#x2F;02&#x2F;24&#x2F;new-4g-5g-security-flaws&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;techcrunch.com&#x2F;2019&#x2F;02&#x2F;24&#x2F;new-4g-5g-security-flaws&#x2F;</a>

I am caught in a difficult position. On one hand, I think this is BS and its political, not about security. On the other hand, fuck the CCP (democracy, treatment of minorities, HK, Coronavirus, war with India, South China Seas BS, what&#x27;s not to hate?).

&quot;To remove untrusted applications from U.S. mobile app stores.&quot; What is trusted?

For a moment I can&#x27;t tell whether this is a state department&#x27;s press release or a comment below Bill Gates&#x27; instagram post.

Is this another way to attract the public&#x27;s attention? I mean, I am very curious about why there is nobody even cares about the coronavirus any more. All of them are focusing on some &quot;ethereal&quot; problems. And just let the city down, let the people die.<p>Why there is no further national-wide action? Trump is always asking for re-opening, asking the school to re-open, asking the community to re-open. Well, I understand that is good&#x2F;essential for the economy. But the question is, how? Maybe you don&#x27;t believe, there are around 5M infected people in the US, which means for every 100 people, there is one who is&#x2F;was infected.<p>And the even more ridiculous thing is, this number is still rocketing, no sign to stop. Every day, I can see many homeless, they don&#x27;t have to be homeless, but the country is still sick, they have no choice.<p>I really hope there could be one day that we can back to normal days. The sun, the flowers, the people.

Are Trump and Pompeo building a great firewall of censorship the same as China&#x27;s &quot;great&quot; firewall?<p>Keep the internet open. Don&#x27;t be like China.

Spyware from CHINA will not be tolerated. However if the apps are spyware from Russia (who have already attacked our electoral systems <i>directly</i> and <i>successfully</i>), hey take what you want!

Trump&#x27;s building a Firewall

Here goes Fiber Curtain

I am puzzled. Was the Prism project clean or dirty?

If they called it &quot;Dim Some Networks&quot;, do you think the US could make a billion people laugh at the same time?<p>The Internet has been the best version of Dim Sum for a hungry mind, so its a shame possesive cultures ruined it for themselves...