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Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses

170 点作者 RocketSyntax将近 5 年前

57 条评论

Santosh83将近 5 年前
I have been getting financial emails from several people for many years at my GMail ID. They apparently have given my address but without the dot.<p>But what mystifies me is how these people keep going for years without ever realising they aren&#x27;t getting account transaction emails (from their banks), notifications of stock trades, even OTP emails etc. How is it possible for people to use these services for years without ever wondering <i>why</i> they aren&#x27;t getting the routine emails they&#x27;re supposed to get or even why they aren&#x27;t getting the OTP email they had generated?<p>Also none of the institutions I contacted to ask their clients to update their correct email bothered to do so. On the contrary they sent me back what looked like automated replies asking if their customer service was satisfactory.<p>At this point I&#x27;m sorely tempted to delete my email and start over with another service provider. The nuisance of having to delete almost a dozen emails not meant for you every single day is annoying to say the least. At least with spam you get it sent to spam folder and there it stays. Confidential emails not meant for you is awkward and uncomfortable to have to put up with.
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robbyking将近 5 年前
A coworker of mine got an email once containing important scholarship information intended for a high school kid in Florida. He did a little looking online and found the kid&#x27;s and his parent&#x27;s actual email addresses and forwarded the email to them.<p>So here&#x27;s where it gets weird&#x2F;dumb: the kid replies to my friend and his parents and says, &quot;hey mom, you put the wrong email address on my application, there&#x27;s no dot in mine.&quot;<p>So my coworker, being the only tech savvy person on the thread replies. &quot;Well, actually, [...]&quot; and explains how dots are(n&#x27;t) handled in Gmail address. Then the parents then reply and write, &quot;but that&#x27;s your old Gmail address, we had to get you a new one when we moved to Florida.&quot;<p>At this point my coworker gave up and the kid presumably lost his scholarship because his family didn&#x27;t know you could keep your Gmail address when you moved houses.<p>(If you&#x27;re reading this, hi Jake H.!)
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paxys将近 5 年前
Everyone in this thread is replying with instances of receiving emails meant for other people, but dots have nothing to do with that. It&#x27;s people typing in the wrong email address in a signup page (with dots or without), and the service not verifying it. The latter is what really needs to be fixed.<p>I personally find this Gmail feature (as well as the ability to append +anything to your email address) extremely useful.
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kjhughes将近 5 年前
I think that companies&#x27; failure to verify their users&#x27; email addresses during signup is a serious problem that goes beyond any dot confusion.<p>When John Smith signs up for an account using JohnSmith@gmail.com (or John.Smith@gmail.com), and the company trusts John Smith to have provided the email address accurately, three parties are affected: Both John Smiths and the company itself. Yes, verifying email address creates a bit more signup friction, but the consequences of getting it wrong way outweigh that friction for the privacy risk and confusion it causes (unless all the company cares about is a meaningless sign-up metric).
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ghastmaster将近 5 年前
This is indeed the case. I have checked it myself. The link below shows how this can be used maliciously.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jameshfisher.com&#x2F;2018&#x2F;04&#x2F;07&#x2F;the-dots-do-matter-how-to-scam-a-gmail-user&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jameshfisher.com&#x2F;2018&#x2F;04&#x2F;07&#x2F;the-dots-do-matter-how-t...</a><p>I do not know if this has been mitigated.
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devy将近 5 年前
Dots does matter in GSuite&#x27;s email addresses (those are the email addresses for enterprise via work or school.)<p>Also in the email name part of the email address, anything after + (plug sign) and before the @ (at sign) don&#x27;t matter either. [1] This is the same behavior for personal Gmail and GSuite email (Gmail for enterprises)<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gizmodo.com&#x2F;how-to-use-the-infinite-number-of-email-addresses-gmail-1609458192" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gizmodo.com&#x2F;how-to-use-the-infinite-number-of-email-...</a>
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sriku将近 5 年前
Not only do dots not matter, you can suffix &quot;+&lt;anything&gt;&quot; to your user name before the &quot;@gmail.com&quot; and it will still come to your email address. I actually love this &quot;+&quot; feature and use it a lot .. like send an email to &quot;+bookmark@gmail.com&quot; to bookmark a link, or register with &quot;+nospam&quot; and setup a filter for that address if anyone sends me email on that.<p>This is supported by icloud and fastmail too.
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treebornfrog将近 5 年前
Got a guy with my same first name and surname.<p>Been getting his bank statements, his amazon orders, class emails, share purchases&#x2F;sales.<p>Its a joke.<p>Edit: been happening for around 5 years.<p>Its also entertaining at the same time to see what he&#x27;s doing on another continent. I&#x27;m torn, dammit Google!
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runxel将近 5 年前
There is also the alias of googlemail.com on the domain level... Always a cause of big headaches.<p><pre><code> johnsmith@gmail.com john.smith@gmail.com johnsm.ith+foobar@gmail.com j.oh.nsmith@googlemail.com </code></pre> all are pointing to the same logical email address.
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chrisgd将近 5 年前
My email is firstlast I use first.last for subscriptions I am unsure I want to keep. I can then filter out based on to address and also use diff combinations when I already know I don’t want them contacting me (firs.tlast) for example
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AaronFriel将近 5 年前
Dots do matter in G Suite email addresses, and that can be quite confusing for people that know this trick.
zaksoup将近 5 年前
This is the source of a low-impact but still interesting scam: Scammer signs up for netflix free trial with &quot;your&quot; email (but it&#x27;s really some <i>new</i> combination with different dots). Scammer runs out the free trial. YOU get an email saying &quot;gotta pay for netflix.&quot; You&#x27;re confused but chalk it up to some computer glitch somewhere and click the link to log in. Your password isn&#x27;t taking but that&#x27;s fine you just reset it. Finally, you&#x27;re logged in, and you plug in your credit card and everything seems fine. You maybe don&#x27;t even notice the <i>two</i> charges on your next credit card bill.<p>Yes, it&#x27;s definitely convenient that you can have &quot;multiple&quot; email addresses that all point to the same inbox, but the issue is that identity providers don&#x27;t treat them as all the same logical email address which creates opportunities for scams like these or worse.
thrill将近 5 年前
90% of the spam I get when I occasionally review it has dropped the dot in some silly effort to canonicalize my address, so yeah, the dot matters, as I filter the non-dotted address.
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renewiltord将近 5 年前
Someone registered for Facebook with myname@gmail.com. I&#x27;d registered with my.name@gmail.com and when I got the email that I&#x27;d added the account I clicked yes before reading (that&#x27;s a mistake you make at most once) and now that guy has a Facebook account I can&#x27;t log in to and I can&#x27;t remove this email from the account and I can&#x27;t remove the notifications either.<p>Part of the reason is that Facebook verifies you&#x27;re the owner of the email if you say &quot;someone else has my email&quot; by sending you an email which you have to reply to. But Google will reply to all of them with the canonical sign-up so mine has my.name@gmail.com that the reply goes out with, which doesn&#x27;t match so I&#x27;m stuck marking all Facebook notifications as spam.
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headShrinker将近 5 年前
I used to have a dot in my gmail address then I started receiving messages to my address without the dot. The messages were from people I didn&#x27;t know to people I didn&#x27;t know. I thought there was something wrong and I was receiving other peoples messages.<p>And this is where it gets weird... I was.<p>Just not because of the dot. My gmail handle is pretty short, 6 chars. First name last initial, pretty cool. I got it during the early in the first beta year, (gmail was beta for like 10 years.) However 10 years later I&#x27;m now receiving emails in german, parking tickets from cities I&#x27;ve never been, paid subscriptions, access to gmail and facebook accounts because people set my gmail handle as their recovery address. I can even unlock a guys car from the manufacturers web UI whom I&#x27;ve never met. The best&#x2F;worst by far is the time the FBI reached out to me, which I thought was some bad phishing attempt and replied mildly taunting them. However, it was in fact a real FBI agent who wrote back noticeably annoyed at my flippant response. There was a vailed threat that if I don&#x27;t take this seriously things would happen. A lump formed in my throat. I called them and for 5 minutes it was kind of scary. I found out a doctor had been using my email handle for oxytocin prescriptions and they were investigating this doctor... I explained that I had received other messages for this doctor and approximated his age and name, explained my short desirable email address, at which point the agent broke their stern professional tone and we shared a little chuckle.
blindm将近 5 年前
I love the way most services treat dotted addresses as separate addresses. So for example if you wanted multiple accounts on $service you could register the following:<p><pre><code> john.doe@gmail.com j.ohndoe@gmail.com jo.hndoe@gmail.com joh.ndoe@gmail.com johnd.oe@gmail.com johndo.e@gmail.com </code></pre> And now you have six accounts, with the bonus of receiving mail in the same inbox for each account!
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gdrift将近 5 年前
I was blocked from my gmail account for attempting to log in without the dot. My address is firstname.lastname@gmail. Had it for years. When I learned that dots don&#x27;t matter I tried to log in without the dot and was immediately blocked for suspicious behavior. Luckily it wasn&#x27;t used for anything important. Few months later the block was removed. Never tried to play with the dots again since.
HelloNurse将近 5 年前
The obvious address of &lt;my common name&gt;.&lt;my very common surname&gt;@gmail.com was still available a couple of years after Gmail was introduced, and I rushed to register it despite already getting <i>a little</i> unintended email on other predictable free mail addresses.<p>I couldn&#x27;t anticipate the density of misplaced email (allowing me to link multiple parties to the same idiot), the personal insistence of some people (come on, it&#x27;s me! Your friend —! What do you mean by &quot;I don&#x27;t know you&quot;?), the ready-made drama (in varied roles: vanished boyfriend, investor in shady businesses, councilman, delinquent debtor...), the quality of delicate misplaced information (with medical records and resumes topping the more obvious invoices, home addresses and bank letters) and the variety of accounts (including e.g. Spotify and a couple of dating sites).<p>Over the years, I&#x27;ve noticed a slight decrease in incorrect addresses entered by human beings matched by an increase of automated emails to incorrectly registered accounts.
devendramistri将近 5 年前
When I got out from college, i created my gmail account via a invitation link from a friend (In 2006, there were invitation based sign-up). I created gmail id without any dots in it and just firstnamelastname@gmail.com,<p>Later I joined as software engineer in a company, I came to know that good email is firstname.lastname@company.bla format, so I wanted to have my gmail id as firstname.lastname@gmail.com But it wasn&#x27;t available. I was so desperate to have it that I decided to email the person who owns it, so I emailed on the id (having dot in it).<p>Guess What! I received my own email, requesting myself to handover the id. Then I did some tests to know if dot is making any sense or not. so tested like first.name.last.name etc.<p>Found this link way back then. Great to know that someone else found it after so long :)
cmckn将近 5 年前
I signed up years ago with a dot in my username, before I knew this. Folks can reach me sans dot, but my username still has the dot (so, outgoing mail does too). It bothers me a lot!<p>If there is a Googler reading this with the power to remove the dot from my username, please email me (with or without the dot) :)
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_kst_将近 5 年前
I have a similar issue, though it&#x27;s not related to Gmail.<p>I registered an obvious joke email address from a free service. I&#x27;m not going to type it here, but imagine something similar to &quot;fakeaddress@example.com&quot;. (I could have used a gmail address for the same purpose.)<p>Occasionally someone will fill out an online form that asks for an email address, and decide to use an obvious fake, assuming that any emails will go into the proverbial bit bucket. That&#x27;s why I sometimes get emails about someone&#x27;s health insurance or airline tickets.<p>It can get a bit frustrating when online support forms insist on asking for account information when the whole point is that I don&#x27;t have an account.<p>(Yes, I know I set myself up for this.)
plibither8将近 5 年前
That, and &#x27;@googlemail.com&#x27;. example@gmail.com is equivalent to example@googlemail.com.
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joncrane将近 5 年前
What about + signs? That&#x27;s the trick I use.
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randtrain34将近 5 年前
I&#x27;m surprised that the &quot;+&quot; operator isn&#x27;t commonly known either in gmail (eg. I can type &quot;johnsmith+345@gmail.com&quot;, and mail sent to that address will redirect to &quot;johnsmith@gmail.com&quot;
reallydontask将近 5 年前
I think that for Enterprise customers (G-Suite) dots might matter as I tried to create a new (bot) account in Github with my email sans dots and I never received the email (email was not @gmail.com)
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lilSebastian将近 5 年前
I registered forename.surname@gmail.com, I often get mail for someone else forenamesurname@gmail.com. I noe have no idea who else they are routing email intended to the former.
fsflover将近 5 年前
Older discussion: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=16781959" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=16781959</a>
slartibardfast0将近 5 年前
I have a first.last@gmail address from the beta, and after numerous misunderstandings I&#x27;ve learned to use very precise language when attempting to help:<p>First establish that they&#x27;re speaking to the wrong person.<p>Then suggest the nature of their mistake is a simple omission of a letter or number.<p>never offer a &#x27;no big deal&#x27; or de-escalation until they&#x27;ve acknowledged the problem, otherwise the real recipient will never get the email!
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charwalker将近 5 年前
It also disregards info after a + like:<p>validemail+ignored@gmail.com<p>You can sign up for sites like:<p>validemail+facebook@gmail.com<p>and it will still reach your inbox fine but be very obvious if your info is sold or stolen.
dave84将近 5 年前
I spent far too much of my time trying to explain this to Humanity.com’s support after someone created an account using a dotless variant of my email. I didn’t want to freeze the guy out of his account as I imagine he was using it for shift work notifications but in the end they just told me to change the password. Their support repeatedly insisted that gmail was broken and I should contact Google.
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miguelmota将近 5 年前
It&#x27;s also an old trick that people do in order to create a lot of accounts on websites (typically for malicious reasons) without having to create many disposable email. They use a combination of periods and plus signs in the email label. On top of that they can use the alias googlemail.com instead of gmail.com to create more accounts on websites.
dinkleberg将近 5 年前
Glad to know I&#x27;m not alone in being a john.smith@gmail.com and receiving emails for johnsmith@gmail.com. For a while I was concerned there was some issue where there was an existing johnsmith@gmail.com before I created mine and gmail just fused them. But it seems more likely whoever this other johnsmith is, they just think they have this email.
miguelrochefort将近 5 年前
I created my Gmail account as firstname.lastname@gmail.com (by mistake), but I always create accounts on website using firstnamelastname@gmail.com.<p>As a result, I often have problems when communicating by email with companies, as they can&#x27;t match origin of the email (firstname.lastname@gmail.com) to my account email (firstnamelastname@gmail.com).
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jameskilton将近 5 年前
Except for when it does matter! GSuite accounts do care.<p>first.name@company.com is a different address than firstname@company.com.<p>I learned that one the hard way.
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dylanz将近 5 年前
I receive incorrect email daily because of this. Early adopter problem for early Gmail users. I could have had my first name at Gmail back in the day but I thought “what’s wrong with Hotmail!?”. Same thing for Twitter, but I still don’t use Twitter. I could have probably sold it for a pretty penny though. Hindsight!
Asooka将近 5 年前
That&#x27;s pretty useful for giving out to sites that believe you can&#x27;t have a + in your email, but you still want to track who the address is shared with. Does anyone know if you can make different filters for differently dotted versions?
NewOrderNow将近 5 年前
I used this to get cheap dreamhost service back in the day by signing up once with my email with the dot and once without the dot. I now use the account without the dot permanently and it always throws me off. Worth it for the 1 year of savings :)
Brajeshwar将近 5 年前
I have about 3 people sharing my Gmail Address to their banks, credit card, insurances, etc.
lovetocode将近 5 年前
I use a similar behavior with the plus symbol to identify who leaks me email address.
fbn79将近 5 年前
Good. So I can re-subscribe to the same tryout service again and again adding dots to my address without the need of use disposable mailbox (banned for sure) or create a new one time address.
znpy将近 5 年前
I have been getting private data and private documents of people with my same name because of this moronic feature.<p>And I can&#x27;t trust Gmail anymore because of this.
sleepybrett将近 5 年前
I got a bunch of mortgage documentation for another person with my name (i assume they either are a 1-t brett (or a misheard brent, brad or brit) or their email contains their middle initial or someone misheard their last name over the phone ( there are several spellings for my last name that are more or less homophones ).. either way I now have enough information to easily steal their identity.<p>I feel like most, majorish, online services do email verification, but when you are giving your email address to a someone over the phone, that&#x27;s where most of the problems start.
aasasd将近 5 年前
&gt; <i>Your Gmail address is unique. If anyone tries to create a Gmail account with a dotted version of your username, they&#x27;ll get an error saying the username is already taken.</i><p>Well then I&#x27;d like to know how someone keeps signing up for services with my address, even though I never click any confirmation links. The email used for signing up specifically differs from mine by a dot.<p>(Though I don&#x27;t think I&#x27;ll complain to Google, seeing as it&#x27;s just a dedicated address for shady sites, it&#x27;s free, and Google aren&#x27;t known for answering complaints anyway.)
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Freeboots将近 5 年前
Fun Fact: Dots DO matter in gmails search bar:<p>from:&lt;some email&gt;@gmail.com and from:&lt;some&gt;.&lt;email&gt;@gmail.com return different results.
wkalt将近 5 年前
If someone emails you without a dot and you reply from your dotted address, it will look strange in the receiver&#x27;s email client.
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cylentwolf将近 5 年前
This has only recently been a problem for me. There is a nice gentleman with my same name who picked up the gmail address without the dot. He lives in Arizona. Has a library membership. Plays in a softball league. I am not sure how much of my email he gets. I haven&#x27;t set up a filter yet but I will eventually. I like seeing what my doppelganger is up to some times.
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saeranv将近 5 年前
Cool, so that means we all have infinite variations of our email addresses.
coder4life将近 5 年前
yeah I&#x27;ve known and used this forever to trace sources of spam, etc
blackearl将近 5 年前
You can add memos as well: jdoe+ExampleMemo@gmail.com
microtherion将近 5 年前
I have an uncommon last name, and picked an uncommon handle, so most of my accounts never get misaddressed e-mails.<p>But when I was younger and more foolish, I opened a mail account with a flippant phrase as the handle, and apparently somebody used that phrase as a &quot;fake&quot; e-mail address when signing up for the Trump campaign mailing list.<p>One thing I&#x27;m learning from that deluge of e-mails is that, no matter how little I think of GOP voters, I cannot manage to treat them with the utter contempt that the presidential family is treating them with.
hathym将近 5 年前
not 100% true, gmail won&#x27;t allow you to send to john....smith@gmail for example
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everyone将近 5 年前
cool so johnsmith@gmailcom works? nice!
html5web将近 5 年前
That’s not always true. I’ve sent an email from not Gmail service, it returned the non-exists error
wayanon将近 5 年前
I got an email from Australia with the appointment for my spousal visa application, I&#x27;m also apparently looking for a new BMW in Cape Town and I also have a partner I visit in Paris and we order Chicken McNuggets on Uber Eats.
rockyj将近 5 年前
Then why did they allow someone else to create an email like mine without the dot and I even get the occasional mail addressed to them. This is really shady, specially for an important service like email.
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schwinn140将近 5 年前
PREACH. This is hands-down the single largest reason why I abandoned my Gmail. I receive countless people&#x27;s credit applications, loan details, new credit card details, bills, etc, credit collections, etc.<p>All because they have the same last name as me and opted to use a period in their email address.<p>This is happening across multiple countries as well. Sadly, none of these people ever receive their important messages because I gave up trying ages ago.<p>How they continue to explain this away as a feature is beyond me. Google is constantly pushing forward with various, and perhaps superficial, security&#x2F;privacy oriented initiatives yet here&#x27;s one of their core products offering up the most private details of others without zero care to fix it. SMH
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AltruisticGapHN将近 5 年前
I still get occasional emails for `firstnamelastname@gmail.com` while I registered `firstname.lastname@gmail.com`<p>Which seems to contradict what the article says, since the article suggests anyone who registered my `firstnamelastname@gmail.com` would own mine.<p>Or is the article suggesting actually nobody ever registered `firstnamelastname@gmail.com` and some idiots just think &quot;oh i need to write to firstname lastname&quot; (one of many who share my firstname&#x2F;lastname in French) and they just compose that email address? I don&#x27;t get it.<p>edit: but moral of the story I think it&#x27;s really a bad idea to register based on a real firstname&#x2F;lastname -- I&#x27;m tired of getting junk ... and worse, getting invoices for other people for a service I also use. I got confused once and actually made a payment which was not meant for me &gt;_&gt;
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