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Facebook to block news on Australian sites after new law, riling lawmakers

63 点作者 80mph超过 4 年前

19 条评论

paxys超过 4 年前
Yesterday&#x27;s discussion on this - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=24337269" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=24337269</a><p>The only update is the (predictable) response from Australian lawmakers and lobbyists.<p>While this law is idiotic at all levels, I&#x27;m secretly hoping that Facebook &amp; Google do implement a complete news blackout for a significant amount of time just so we can see how it affects Australian society.<p>Another angle people don&#x27;t seem to be mentioning enough is just how scarily easily a major government effectively banned its citizens from discussing any news online. How hard would it be for them to include Reddit (or HN), for example, in the list of entities that are subject to this law? If they did, this post likely wouldn&#x27;t be allowed in Australia.
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jedberg超过 4 年前
If the news orgs feel they have something of value, shouldn&#x27;t they welcome this move, as it will hurt Facebook?<p>They are asking for payment for their service. Presumably Facebook will lose more value from this than what they are being asked to pay, otherwise why pay?<p>They&#x27;re tipping their hand here. They know that what they have is not as valuable as what they&#x27;re asking for it, otherwise Facebook wouldn&#x27;t be willing to give up that value.
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lukestevens超过 4 年前
Crikey&#x27;s Bernard Keane has a great take on the issue &amp; sovereign risk[0]:<p><i>Now the government is pursuing a policy that, in its rejection of the rule of law and its arbitrary market intervention at the expense of investors and corporations, is the perfect embodiment of the idea of sovereign risk. And exactly no one is pointing it out — because Australia’s media companies are the beneficiaries of it, and the targets of it are two of the most hated companies in the world.</i><p><i>The government’s proposed News Media and Digital Platforms Mandatory Bargaining Code would be a draconian regulation to force two explicitly identified companies, Google and Facebook, to hand an unlimited amount of revenue over to Australian media companies, justified by a fiction that those companies steal news content.[...]</i><p><i>The code is justified by a News Corp lie, that Google steals news content and makes billions of dollars from it. The ACCC forensically compiled evidence that this was false. Knowing that the News Corp claim was wrong didn’t prevent Treasurer Josh Frydenberg from spreading it himself. But the only theft here is what is proposed for Google and Facebook.</i><p>Apologies to HN&#x2F;YC for introducing risk by quoting from and linking to an Australian news article :)<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.crikey.com.au&#x2F;2020&#x2F;08&#x2F;28&#x2F;google-facebook-accc-changes&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.crikey.com.au&#x2F;2020&#x2F;08&#x2F;28&#x2F;google-facebook-accc-ch...</a>
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prdonahue超过 4 年前
Facebook is undoubtably the scummiest company of our generation, but this is the correct and only response here.<p>I continue to be surprised when politicians fail to think through the logical response to their actions. Either they failed to anticipate this, and they&#x27;re naive, or they did and they went through with it anyway?
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Thorentis超过 4 年前
Once the people at these news orgs ask their analytics team to show them how much of their traffic comes from Facebook, I&#x27;m sure they&#x27;ll scrap the push for this law real fast. If not, their traffic (and therefore revenue) will drop immensely. Very few people go directly to news sites now. Liking a news page and then seeing what pops up in the feed is how most people consume their news (which I hate, because it fuels the headline click bait, but it&#x27;s just a fact).
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stirlo超过 4 年前
As long as they ban ALL news this will make Australia a much better place.<p>Facebook is a hive of fake news, rumors and fearmongering. If users had to go to alternative websites to obtain news they&#x27;d be far more likely to land upon reputable outlets like our ABC.
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idbehold超过 4 年前
&quot;We can&#x27;t believe Facebook has the gall to obey the laws we wrote!&quot; - Australia
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grecy超过 4 年前
It&#x27;s incredible how the ACCC has the nerve to say Facebook response amounts to Facebook holding Australian&#x27;s to ransom!<p>Never mind the draft law as it sits is literally designed to take money from Facebook and Google and put it directly into News Corp. pockets. This is not about the government collecting tax dollars for the good of Australia, this is the government collecting tax dollars for the good of Rupert Murdoch.<p>Incredibly because of the tight control he has over the media he can ensure his version of the truth gets repeated over and over until a very large number of Australians will simply believe it as truth.<p>Fake news is alive and well in Australia thanks to one company owning an enormous chunk of all media.
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protomyth超过 4 年前
Am I reading this right that a user or the news org itself can make a post linking to a AUS news site on Facebook and Facebook would have to pay the news org for the post under this law?
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stuaxo超过 4 年前
Riling lawmakes, or is it Rupert Murdoch that&#x27;s annoyed ?
renewiltord超过 4 年前
Haha, the Australian politicians are trying something from the United Fruit Company and Dwight Eisenhower playbook except they look like three kids in a trenchcoat trying to play a man.<p>They just look like morons.
aaron695超过 4 年前
In Australia if you play the radio&#x2F;CD&#x2F;stream music in a business you have to pay a license fee.<p>If the hairdresser turns on the radio, they have to pay.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.smallbusiness.wa.gov.au&#x2F;blog&#x2F;playing-music-your-workplace" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.smallbusiness.wa.gov.au&#x2F;blog&#x2F;playing-music-your-...</a><p>I&#x27;m not sure why Australians are happy with this but not with what the ACCC is doing?<p>That said, it&#x27;s fun to watch this go down.
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dmix超过 4 年前
This is the only rational move for Facebook. I highly doubt AUS news doesn’t move the needle enough for anyone to care. Even for way smaller firms than FB.
ferros超过 4 年前
This will leave an enormous black hole in news discovery.<p>The real question is what new discovery methods will fill this massive hole.<p>It won’t be newspapers, that’s for sure
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taneq超过 4 年前
Oh no!<p>Anyway... <i>goes off to read news on actual news sites</i>
icedchocolate超过 4 年前
As an Australian, this is fantastic. Why should Facebook and Google get to show news content for free? The only people unhappy about this, from what I have seen, are Facebook and Google. Big tech bullies, having a sook with their lobbyists and website warnings. Good riddance.
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ropable超过 4 年前
I&#x27;d be curious to see how FB implements this; I assume something pretty basic like a blocklist of domains. That would be an interesting list to read. It&#x27;s obviously still yet to be implemented as I was just now able to share a link to an ABC website news story.
l2silver超过 4 年前
Seems like this could open doors for search engines that are willing to pay royalties. Bing anyone?
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foxes超过 4 年前
As an Australian I support blocking Sky news &quot;content&quot;.