Unix Wars (2000)

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DonHopkins超过 4 年前

There was a Berkeley Unix software company called "Mt Xinu". (The operating system's name is a recursive acronym, while the company's name is a backwards spelling.)"We know UNIX TM backwards and forwards." -Mt Xinu<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MtXinu" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MtXinu</a>Famous for the great posters they handed out at Usenix:"4.2 > V" BSD -vs- System V, X-Wing / Death Star Poster<a href="https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ashaferian/Drive/master/Mt.Xinu%20BSD%20Poster.png" rel="nofollow">https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ashaferian/Drive/master/Mt...</a><a href="https://www.ericconrad.com/2008/12/" rel="nofollow">https://www.ericconrad.com/2008/12/</a>I love all the old telephone equipment in the explosion!

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jasoneckert超过 4 年前

The divisiveness of the Unix Wars was incredibly prevalent during the 1980s and 1990s.One of my favourite examples of this is a quote from Cliff Stoll's book "The Cuckoo’s Egg" from 1989. When Cliff’s colleague Dave notices that the hacker used the –f option to the ps command on a Berkeley UNIX system (Berkeley UNIX doesn’t use the –f option, only AT&T UNIX does), he said “We’re watching someone who’s never used Berkeley Unix.” He sucked in his breath and whispered, “A heathen.”

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talkingtab超过 4 年前

Any mention of "unix" and "war" needs to include a reference to www.groklaw.net, a website set up as a focal point for a community defense of unix and linux. A must read. It is in reverse order, with newest articles at the front so I recommend starting with this link: <a href="http://www.groklaw.net/index.php?page=482" rel="nofollow">http://www.groklaw.net/index.php?page=482</a>It is also a remarkable example of a website that provides value to the community, a service and a piece of history.If you are interested in the idea of what different social platforms provide/afford (Zeynep Tufecki's Twitter and Tear Gas) this is great example of what could be done.[edit for typo]

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DonHopkins超过 4 年前

Michael Tiemann on "The Worst Job in the World":<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Tiemann" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Tiemann</a>>Michael Tiemann is vice president of open source affairs at Red Hat, Inc., and former President of the Open Source Initiative. [...] He co-founded Cygnus Solutions in 1989. [...] Opensource.com profiled him in 2014, calling him one of "open source's great explainers."<a href="https://user.eng.umd.edu/~blj/funny/worst-job.html" rel="nofollow">https://user.eng.umd.edu/~blj/funny/worst-job.html</a>>I have a friend who has to have the worst job in the world: he is a Unix system administrator. But it's worse than that, as I will soon tell. [...]

x87678r超过 4 年前

One of my favorate quotes ever comes from an old article about BSD development, and contributor's code in general:> Still, 90 percent of the contributions were thrown away; the rest, as McKusick likes to say, "were peed upon to make them smell like Berkeley.<a href="https://www.salon.com/2000/05/16/chapter_2_part_one/" rel="nofollow">https://www.salon.com/2000/05/16/chapter_2_part_one/</a>

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andikleen2超过 4 年前

Small mistake in the article. System V code was never released publicly by SCO, just some earlier variants not too far removed from V7.They make great code reading if anyone is interested. The early Unix variants were quite simple and concise, nothing like the complexity of a modern variant.<a href="https://github.com/dspinellis/unix-history-repo/tree/Research-V7" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/dspinellis/unix-history-repo/tree/Researc...</a>For example early process swapping was really simple:<a href="https://github.com/dspinellis/unix-history-repo/blob/Research-V7/usr/sys/sys/text.c" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/dspinellis/unix-history-repo/blob/Researc...</a>or scheduling was quite simple too:<a href="https://github.com/dspinellis/unix-history-repo/blob/Research-V7/usr/sys/sys/slp.c" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/dspinellis/unix-history-repo/blob/Researc...</a>or that's most of a file system:<a href="https://github.com/dspinellis/unix-history-repo/blob/Research-V7/usr/sys/sys/iget.c" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/dspinellis/unix-history-repo/blob/Researc...</a>scanner and lexer of the earlier (pre pcc) c compiler:<a href="https://github.com/dspinellis/unix-history-repo/blob/Research-V7/usr/src/cmd/c/c00.c" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/dspinellis/unix-history-repo/blob/Researc...</a>and that is ls:<a href="https://github.com/dspinellis/unix-history-repo/blob/Research-V7/usr/src/cmd/ls.c" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/dspinellis/unix-history-repo/blob/Researc...</a>ed, the standard editor:<a href="https://github.com/dspinellis/unix-history-repo/blob/Research-V7/usr/src/cmd/ed.c" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/dspinellis/unix-history-repo/blob/Researc...</a>

neilv超过 4 年前

Apollo Domain/OS could emulate both BSD and System V, as well as support its own very different shell command set.One of the ways it did this was that filesystem symlinks could reference the environment variable that specified what OS emulation you wanted.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain/OS" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain/OS</a><a href="https://jim.rees.org/apollo-archive/" rel="nofollow">https://jim.rees.org/apollo-archive/</a>

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jfb超过 4 年前

On the one hand, having basically one default Unix these days makes a lot of things easier for a lot of people; but at the same time, I don't like software monocultures. So, it's a mixed bag. But I'll tell you what: I do not miss HP/UX or AIX or Solaris or ...

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remram超过 4 年前

This has to be a new all-time low in website layout. `max-width:460px` means that it uses less that 24% of my screen space, on my laptop. I have to scroll through 3 pages of 12-point, 10-word wide text. I heard the arguments for 80-column code but 80-column websites?If this is their idea of a "web book" feel, it would be a book held 4 feet from your face.

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rbanffy超过 4 年前

It's interesting that GNU only gets a mention in the very last paragraph when a lot of the software described in the article was built with GNU tools (if not for other reason, because developer tools were horrendously expensive back then).Also, it's interesting people don't think of user groups DECUS and SHARE as relevant precursors (that predate both Unix and the internet)

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spazx超过 4 年前

"In the late 1990's, interest began to coalesce around Linux, the first really open Unix system released under the free software GNU license, and which might finally unify the Unix family after three decades of development."I wonder if they ever imagined the editor wars and distro wars of today.

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microtherion超过 4 年前

I remember ca. 1990 when the big debate in Unix shops was whether SVR4 or OSF/1 would ultimately prevail. Few people probably would have predicted that both of these would be seen as essentially dead ends 20 years later.

kpommerenke超过 4 年前

This page shows a nice chart of the GNU/Linux evolution: <a href="http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/11.10/gldt1110.svg" rel="nofollow">http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/11.10/gldt1110.sv...</a>

Koshkin超过 4 年前

I warmly remember Coherent [1], it was a nice UNIX clone.[1] <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coherent_(operating_system)" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coherent_(operating_system)</a>

gonzo超过 4 年前

> The original version was developed at AT&T Bell Labs, a non-profit research institution, so the source code was permitted to be published and shared with others.This is not true. Consider what occurred with “Lions' Commentary on UNIX 6th Edition, with Source Code“.

ochrist超过 4 年前

It's probably just me, but from the headline I expected this: <a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/unixwars.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/unixwars.html</a>

pjmlp超过 4 年前

Nowadays replaced by Linux distribution wars.

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mcv超过 4 年前

> "a full screen wysiwyg text editor called vi"I guess the meaning of wysiwyg has changed a bit over the years.

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ochrist超过 4 年前

It's probably just me, but from the headline I expected this: <a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/unixwars.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/unixwars.html</a>

pjmlp超过 4 年前

Nowadays replaced by Linux distribution wars.

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mcv超过 4 年前

> "a full screen wysiwyg text editor called vi"I guess the meaning of wysiwyg has changed a bit over the years.

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