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Is Spotify Killing the Top 40?

136 点作者 daegloe超过 4 年前

35 条评论

ehnto超过 4 年前
I hope so. Top 40 lists are constructed not observed. They seem to have no relationship to what music is favored by listeners, just what is being pushed on pop radio. A self satisfying loop.
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wfme超过 4 年前
Personally, I used to be able to listen to a large portion of the top 50 on Spotify without skipping too many. As of late last year, though, I've found that the top 10 are almost exclusively songs made popular on TikTok. I can't stand to listen to these songs, not because I necessarily dislike the songs (or TikTok for that matter), but because there are 15-30s sections of the song that I have heard dozens of times, posted on TikTok as a part of some new trend. As soon as I hear one of these parts, I instinctively skip, because I'm generally listening to Spotify to chill out, and hearing something that is so tightly associated with a social network really works against my "chill".
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toby超过 4 年前
This article says that the Top 40 has dropped from 35mm to 30mm plays on a Wednesday. Then it says:<p>&quot;The decline is likely partially the result of an overall decrease in streaming after Covid-19 hit the US, due to the absence of people listening to music on commutes and in stores. But it’s not just that. The biggest hits are declining, while the streaming of smaller hits remains about the same.&quot;<p>Seems like it could be &quot;just that&quot;. This analysis is weird without knowing whether overall numbers have dropped and whether retail &#x2F; gyms &#x2F; public spaces primarily played Top 40 hits (which I&#x27;d guess is likely).
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swiley超过 4 年前
This would be great. The idea of “best ranked music” results in mediocre, bland music that’s mostly ranked based on the social connections of the artist. Musical culture and genres are extremely diverse and trying to rank individual pieces of music makes discovery harder.<p>I doubt they’ll actually do this of course. Their monetization model relies on ranking.
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1vuio0pswjnm7超过 4 年前
&quot;In a seminal 2004 essay in Wired titled &quot;The Long Tail,&quot; journalist Chris Anderson argued that digital culture would help niche music, books, and movies thrive. With fewer gatekeepers and more avenues to find likeminded fans, people would be more likely to indulge their true interests, rather than just accept what was offered by the mainstream.&quot;<p>Nice idea, there is some truth to it based on what we&#x27;ve seen so far, but we can also see how the corporations that control &quot;what was offered by the mainstream&quot; are now controlling (financing) the gatekeepers of the web and&#x2F;or personal computing device (for lack of a better term). The new gatekeepers have become entrenched thanks to centralisation, lock-in and using the system itself as the world&#x27;s most powerful hype machine, or &quot;network effects&quot;.<p>The entertainment industry has gatekeepers, so too does the web (perhaps even the wider internet) and the personal computing device.<p>If and when things get tight for the gatekeeper business, they (web gatekeepers) will also control the so-called &quot;long tail&quot;. What we are seeing is that it is not the &quot;gatekeeperless&quot; distribution channel many might imagine, as YouTube deletes a seemingly non-commercial video and arguments ensue over rights to &quot;free speech&quot;.<p>The tentacles of these gatekeepers keep reaching out further. No &quot;long tail&quot; seems to be safe from their influence and ultimately their control.
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baron816超过 4 年前
&gt; While blockbuster movies are only growing in importance...<p>Obviously, there have been no real blockbusters released this year. I don’t have evidence, but for me it seems like indie movies are thriving. The Streamers are all pouring money into original movies—I can’t think of a single movie that Netflix, Prime, or Hulu has produced that was a sequel.
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l4r5超过 4 年前
This is a little bit off topic, but I read this interesting article how it&#x27;s possible to do money laundering through Spotify with the help of streaming farms: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ppcprotect.com&#x2F;spotify-streaming-farms&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ppcprotect.com&#x2F;spotify-streaming-farms&#x2F;</a><p>This seems to be a bigger issue than I thought - this article quotes up to $300 million as damage: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.rollingstone.com&#x2F;pro&#x2F;features&#x2F;how-to-fight-spotify-streaming-fraud-850990&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.rollingstone.com&#x2F;pro&#x2F;features&#x2F;how-to-fight-spoti...</a>
pointyfence超过 4 年前
Spotify has definitely changed how I listen to music over the years. I have my core segments, but I&#x27;d say that 33% of my time on Spotify is just stuff that I bump into for random of reasons: a music beef between artists I don&#x27;t listen to, stories from friends with different tastes in music, a news article about a band in the 50s, etc.<p>I find myself listening to the music to give context to the stories I bump into. And then I just sort of get lost in it for a bit like you would reading random stuff on Wikipedia. Wrecks havoc on my music suggestions though.
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kabacha超过 4 年前
Honestly I&#x27;ve never met a person who listens to Spotify&#x27;s top&#x2F;trending playlists - they are notoriously awful random mess (like all top hit charts)<p>Spotify is definitely killing top lists but not on purpose - turns out arbitrary top lists are an awful idea once we have free access to music and a strong communities that can curate the music properly. It&#x27;ll continue to decline as people are learning how to control their playlists better.
kevin_thibedeau超过 4 年前
I just ran across a three year old pop song on YouTube today with 200+ million views. I&#x27;ve never heard it on the radio. The top 40 gatekeepers are killing the top 40.
whywhywhywhy超过 4 年前
Why does it matter? Top 40 only really had relevancy to what journalists talk about, music journalists are not really relevant because the idea of having to go to town to a store to buy music is no longer a thing when you can just listen to any music instantly and make your own mind up quicker than you can read a review.<p>Think they&#x27;re getting annoyed at modern way of consuming music affecting an antiquated meaningless chart that had already been made irrelevant by the very way music listening had changed.
notafraudster超过 4 年前
I once audited the playlist of local radio stations. I recorded a few months worth of data and asked, for each day, week, and the full time period, what # of songs constituted 50% of overall song playtime. In all commercial formats in my market, the number was under 75, and in most under 50. I find Spotify pretty crummy at surfacing new music, but it&#x27;s a lot better than the same 30-50 songs being played again and again and again and again.
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werber超过 4 年前
I’ve personally been listening to more calming music, classical and “study beats” and haven’t felt cultural pressure to check anything out recently ( besides wap ). It’s kind of a relief to have less cultural moments for me
perardi超过 4 年前
I guess it’s reasonable to worry that Spotify is creating a sort of algorithmic filter bubble where it just delivers you more of what you want…but man, the Discovery Weekly feature just works. I have, weekly, discovered a lot of artists I would never have heard of.<p>Am I finding as wide of a range of music as I would have when I worked at a college radio station? Probably not. Have I discovered more and better music than whatever was on the radio in Peoria growing up? You betcha.
d--b超过 4 年前
It must be an algorithm change in the spotify recommendation engine.<p>Either because the top50 playlist overstated the correlation between &quot;liking Drake&quot; and &quot;liking Taylor Swift&quot;, or because they found that by trying to broaden the spectrum of what people listen to, they get people to listen to more music, and they get less-than-top50 artists happier.
pdx_flyer超过 4 年前
Spotify makes me miss Rdio. The Rdio algorithm for finding new music based on an artist, song, or album was really fantastic while Spotify just gives me a playlist of similar songs in the same genre as my “radio”.<p>I know Pandora incorporated some of Rdio’s technique but its UI leaves a lot to be desired.
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oshea64bit超过 4 年前
I think it&#x27;s interesting that there&#x27;s some periodicity in the graph showing the &quot;Share of US Spotify top 200 streams going to top 40 songs&quot; where the share spikes during each summer. I have no substantive conclusions about this, just thought it was worth pointing out.
zeus_hammer超过 4 年前
The NYTimes Popcast podcast recently[0] took up a form of this question while examining the relevance of album sales and Billboard charts as a whole. I highly recommend the episode, as well as the podcast generally.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;08&#x2F;22&#x2F;arts&#x2F;music&#x2F;popcast-merchandise-bundles.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;08&#x2F;22&#x2F;arts&#x2F;music&#x2F;popcast-mercha...</a>
arrakeen超过 4 年前
&quot;killing&quot; might be an extreme way of putting it, but it&#x27;s definitely showing that the older models to determine music popularity are outdated (billboard, top 40 radio)<p>see also Post Malone Shatters 54 Year Old Beatles Record: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;kiss108.iheart.com&#x2F;content&#x2F;2018-05-09-post-malone-shatters-54-year-old-beatles-record&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;kiss108.iheart.com&#x2F;content&#x2F;2018-05-09-post-malone-sh...</a>
londonatil超过 4 年前
Spotify&#x27;s statistics are super misleading, and they will continue to be misleading until they make all &quot;listens&quot; from each account equal in value.
iunternik超过 4 年前
That would be a good thing, honestly. I mean...look at rotten tomatoes, lots of times critics have no idea what they&#x27;re talking about
raverbashing超过 4 年前
Oh is it? Good<p>Top 40 are only relevant to music executives that make their living pumping up the worse kinds of musical garbage to people that base their musical tastes into what &quot;other people&quot; (payola, it&#x27;s payola) like.<p>And it seems that, as the internet came and the music distribution became more long-tailed, the worse the &quot;top 40&quot; became.
brat81超过 4 年前
Who would&#x27;ve thought that retail outlets and other public places had such a large impact on how the TOP40 is shaped.
shmerl超过 4 年前
I prefer stores like Bandcamp.
LockAndLol超过 4 年前
&quot;Killing&quot;... What a sensationalist title with an article isn&#x27;t even indicating &quot; death&quot;. Why do you put up with subpar clickbait like this?
ImAlreadyTracer超过 4 年前
I haven&#x27;t started streaming my music yet but if it leads to a greater diversity of tastes in listeners then I&#x27;m all for it.
Icedcool超过 4 年前
I can only hope..
tiku超过 4 年前
Spotify is really the true top 40. Because there are direct statistics about what is most played and shared..
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blaser-waffle超过 4 年前
Good! Top 40 -- and why 40 instead of 50, or 100? -- is useless pop nonsense for bland radio stations.
chriselles超过 4 年前
Has Zipf’s Law ever applied to the distribution of music consumption?<p>When shaped by industry, algorithm, or serendipity?
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exnuber超过 4 年前
The top-40 is killing me, so it only seems fair.
dredmorbius超过 4 年前
The pop music industry has seen at least three disruptions to its controlling gatekeepers since the 1950s (1956-60, ~2000 with Napster, and presently with Spotify and YouTube), but each time a dominant hegenomy re-emerges. I doubt this time will be different, though the brief renaissance will doubtless be appreciated.<p>Charles Perrow wrote of this in the mid-1980s:<p><i>After the critical period from about 1956 to 1960, when tastes were unfrozen, competition was intense, and demand soared, consolidation appeared. The number of firms stabilized at about forty. New corporate entries appeared, such as MGM and Warner Brothers, sensing, one supposes, the opportunity that vastly expanding sales indicated. Some independents grew large. The eight-firm concentration ratio also stabilized (though not yet the four-firm ratio). The market became sluggish, however, as the early stars died, were forced into retirement because of legal problems, or in the notable case of Elvis Presley, were drafted by an impinging environment. Near the end of this period the majors decided that the new sounds were not a fad and began to buy up the contracts of established artists and successfully picked and promoted new ones, notably The Beach Boys and Bob Dylan. A new generation (e.g., The Beatles) appeared from 1964 to 1969, and sales again soared.</i><p><i>But now the concentration ratios soared also. From 1962 to 1973, the four-firm ratio went from 25 to 51 percent; the eight-firm ratio from 46 to 81 percent, almost back to the pre-1955 levels. The number of different firms having hits declined from forty-six to only sixteen. Six of the eight giants were diversified conglomerates, some of which led in the earlier period; one was a new independent, the other a product of of mergers.</i><p><i>How did they do it? The major companies asserted “increasing central control over the creative process”[352] through deliberate creation and extensive promotion of new groups, long-range contracts for groups, and reduced autonomy for producers. In addition, legal and illegal promotion costs (drug payola to disc jockeys, for example) rose in the competitive race and now exceeded the resources of small independents. Finally, the majors “have also moved to regain a controlling position in record distribution by buying chains of retail stores.”[353] The diversity is still greater than it had been in the past, and may remain high, but it is ominous that the majors have all the segments covered. As an executive said, “Columbia Records will have a major entry into whatever new area is broached by the vagaries of public tastes.” But for a concentrated industry, the “vagaries of public tastes” are not economical; it is preferable to stabilize and consolidate them. This would be possible through further control over the creative process and marketing.</i><p>Charles Perrow, <i>Complex organizations : a critical essay,</i> 1972, 1985. pp. 186--187.<p>The dynamics, actors, and economics remind me strongly of the software &#x2F; high-tech industry, though with much weaker coupling and different lock-in mechanics.
vmception超过 4 年前
Perfect
gregjw超过 4 年前
Betteridge&#x27;s law of Hacker News headlines
peter_l_downs超过 4 年前
No (Betteridge&#x27;s law)
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