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Goodreads’ reign over the world of book talk might be coming to an end

123 点作者 J253超过 4 年前

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prepend超过 4 年前
I have used goodreads since soon after launch. It’s probably the worst site that I use, but I prefer it’s benign neglect over the “improvements” made on the main amazon site.<p>I just use it as a list of books of I’ve read and am reading, and to see books that my friends are reading or have read.<p>It’s been funny to me that the search is horrible and seems to be something worse than just regexing a list of book titles. But I eventually find what I’m looking for. It’s sucked as long as I can remember.<p>The recommendations are also really bad, it has never recommended a book to me that I thought was interesting or I ended up reading. This is despite having over a thousand read and rated books from me. I’ve been waiting for them to be able to search all the books I don’t know and find one that I will like.<p>I kind of like the site as it is quaint, but functional. It’s like a library in that way.
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Hokusai超过 4 年前
&gt; Instead, it has stagnated: Amazon holds on to an effective monopoly on the discussion of new books<p>This is the main point.<p>It is the same thing that Oracle purchasing MySQL. What once was a promising raising technology is nowadays stagnant. (Interest over time <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;trends.google.com&#x2F;trends&#x2F;explore?date=all&amp;geo=US&amp;q=%2Fm%2F05ynw,mysql" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;trends.google.com&#x2F;trends&#x2F;explore?date=all&amp;geo=US&amp;q=%...</a>)<p>GoodReads could help to find better books to read. But, Amazon likes the current state where Amazon recommends the books that are good for their business and not the best for the reader.<p>10 years ago, I would buy anything Amazon recommended on books. Nowadays, I do not use Amazon anymore as it just promotes books that, I guess, have larger profit margins or align better with Amazon strategy. It cannot be trusted as a recommendation engine.
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Mediterraneo10超过 4 年前
The linked article soon goes from criticizing Goodreads to hyping The StoryGraph as a Goodreads competitor. However, all the great new features of The StoryGraph seem targeted towards only one portion of the Goodreads membership: people reading fiction or the most pop-sci-type nonfiction and who want recommendations for new stuff to read.<p>My own bookish, nerdy Goodreads subculture is very different: we already have more books on our to-read list than we could realistically get through, we don’t really need auto-generated recommendations for more. We review a lot of serious non-fiction, not just the mass-market stuff, and genre tags like &quot;dark&quot; or &quot;edgy&quot; don&#x27;t seem relevant, while being able to add &quot;trigger warnings&quot; misses the point.<p>Yes, GR users like myself are probably a minority, but we’re a very established and recognized minority. We&#x27;re the sort that keeps some independent booksellers alive, for example, so any new site that aims to maintain a culture of books and reading ought to take us into account.
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freddie_mercury超过 4 年前
The author complains that it is &quot;impossible&quot; to find books on Goodreads. Simply adding the author&#x27;s name to any query will always take you to the book you are looking for. Don&#x27;t just rely on a title. Which should be common sense (if you were at a bookstore you would always tell the clerk the author&#x27;s name and not just say &quot;Do you have Holiday Heart?&quot;) but apparently isn&#x27;t.<p>The author complains that searching for &#x27;holiday heart&#x27; didn&#x27;t show Margarita García Robayo&#x27;s book in the top hits. But searching for &#x27;holiday heart robayo&#x27; does.<p>As for the rest of the piece...the belief that algorithmic recommendations are going to be easy for some shoestring budget startup run by a single person in their spare time is somehow going to do a good job simply isn&#x27;t credible.<p>People <i>still</i> complain about Netflix recommendations and they&#x27;ve spent tens of millions of dollars, possibly over a hundred million dollars, on it and are one of the most valuable companies on the planet with one of the best engineering teams on the planet.<p>Why do people think algorithmic recommendations are easy? Or even desirable?
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imglorp超过 4 年前
Business opportunity here to replace this?<p>Start with some HN or Reddit style forum discussion code. Some income could come from affiliate links to indie booksellers. (Is there even infra for such a thing right now? Need to build that too?)<p>Edit, answering myself, this guy has some thoughts: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tomcritchlow.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;04&#x2F;15&#x2F;library-json&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tomcritchlow.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;04&#x2F;15&#x2F;library-json&#x2F;</a><p>Edit, as for the index corpus, the USLC does okay: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;catalog.loc.gov&#x2F;vwebv&#x2F;search?searchArg=0312937385&amp;searchCode=GKEY%5E*&amp;searchType=0&amp;recCount=25" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;catalog.loc.gov&#x2F;vwebv&#x2F;search?searchArg=0312937385&amp;se...</a>
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gravitas超过 4 年前
This reads and feels like a 33 paragraph thinly veiled marketing advertisement for StoryGraph, using the David vs. Goliath story model.
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Aeolun超过 4 年前
Honestly, I checked out the storygraph after reading the article, and the first thing that came to mind when I saw the site was ‘amateur hour’ that I read earlier today in some post about Apple.<p>I can’t really take it seriously while it still looks like some random programmer’s side project.<p>That said, it’s readable and mobile friendly, so that’s a win.
garmaine超过 4 年前
Is this a hit piece? I’ve never once had a problem with goodreads. Am I alone?
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matthewfelgate超过 4 年前
Goodreads interface is terrible. I&#x27;m surprised Amazon hasn&#x27;t shut Goodreads down.<p>All I want from Goodreads is:<p><pre><code> * A nice way to see all the books I&#x27;ve read * Maintain a list of &quot;Want to read books&quot; * A decent recommendation system for my next read </code></pre> (If you like Goodreads I recommend Readwise, which lets you upload Kindle book highlights and helps you learn from them.)
vhpoet超过 4 年前
A shameless plug here, I&#x27;ve been working on a web app to tackle a small part of the issue here. Showing contextual recommendations from 1300+ leaders with verified quotes <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.readthistwice.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.readthistwice.com</a>
BigBalli超过 4 年前
I started <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;MyBookList.club" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;MyBookList.club</a> over a decade ago and always stayed away from recommendations. They&#x27;re never going to satisfy everyone. The closest thing is &quot;similar books&quot;.
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ubermonkey超过 4 年前
I’m seeing this piece around widely. I agree with the premise, and am willing to give StoryGraph some time and attention.<p>I mostly stopped using GR because it just seemed like a noise platform — and, I guess obviously, I didn’t want to give Amazon any more data about me.
sradman超过 4 年前
TL;DR: social book metadata site Goodreads has stagnated since being bought by Amazon.<p>This pattern has occurred repeatedly with metadata associated with digital media; CDDB vs. iTunes, IMDB vs. Amazon DVD listings, Goodreads vs. Amazon book listings.<p>Rather than assuming that Amazon is strategically hampering Goodreads functionality, I assume that Amazon is a large company that misses opportunities to delight its customers. Giggles ensue every time I come across a &quot;We don&#x27;t have any cast information&quot; message in Amazon Prime Video.<p>Hanlon&#x27;s Razor [1] applies: &quot;Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity&quot;.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Hanlon%27s_razor" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Hanlon%27s_razor</a>
doiwin超过 4 年前
What is the main feature of Goodreads?<p>Is it discussing new books?<p>If so, what is the reason people want to discuss new books? Anybody here who does it?<p>If so: Why do you do it? And do you do it before or after you read it?
LockAndLol超过 4 年前
That intro was waaaay too long. As someone who knows Goodreads in passing, I just wanted the author to get to the point and make their recommendation.<p>As a TL;DR for Good read users: The StoryGraph. Check it out.