What happened to Firefox Send?

426 点作者 Techbrunch超过 4 年前

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See recent discussion: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24508880" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24508880</a>

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40four超过 4 年前

Too bad. I really enjoyed using it while it was up. The code is open source, and they have docs on how to set it up for self hosting. I wonder if there is a chance some active forks might live on?<a href="https://github.com/mozilla/send" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/mozilla/send</a> <a href="https://github.com/mozilla/send/blob/master/docs/deployment.md" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/mozilla/send/blob/master/docs/deployment....</a>

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kace91超过 4 年前

I really don't understand it.- Content was used to spread malware/illegal content- It was not profitableHow are those two things something you find out after the fact? What was the reasoning for launching the product in the first place?

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timvisee超过 4 年前

Sad! Developer of `ffsend` here.I've built `ffsend` as CLI tool for Send to securely share files from the command line. It has been a great success! Thanks Mozilla, for building and providing this amazing service!For the interested: <a href="https://github.com/timvisee/ffsend" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/timvisee/ffsend</a>I'm currently hosting a public Send instance myself so ffsend keeps working. Let's see how long I can keep this going (and funded). It's available at send.vis.ee .

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0-_-0超过 4 年前

This is due to people sharing malware:<a href="https://www.techradar.com/news/mozilla-suspends-firefox-send-service-following-malware-abuse" rel="nofollow">https://www.techradar.com/news/mozilla-suspends-firefox-send...</a>The content can't be scanned server-side because uploaded files are encrypted

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blunte超过 4 年前

Either Send is more long lived than I realized, or I have a very different definition of "legacy"From the Mozilla Blog: ... we are announcing the end of life for two legacy services that grew out of the Firefox Test Pilot program: Firefox Send and Firefox Notes.

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wodenokoto超过 4 年前

For transferring large files between machines that don’t necessarily have the same clients installed I find file.pizza quite convenient.My understanding is it basically loads a JavaScript BitTorrent client and let’s you transfer using that protocol, so both ends needs to be online, but there is no file size limit, and good support on flaky connections.There’s a few services like this, but I always find file.pizza to be the one that I remember the name of :)<a href="https://file.pizza/" rel="nofollow">https://file.pizza/</a>EDIT: as other people in this thread, I am also having trouble getting file.pizza to work, in both Safari and Chrome.Maybe it isn’t the answer it used to be.

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zxcvgm超过 4 年前

To be honest, I think some form of abuse was bound to happen. Your files are encrypted client-side with JavaScript before uploading, so to the server it's just an opaque blob.Out of curiosity, I did some technical analysis¹ of how your files were being encrypted to see if they were really secure and as a side-effect, also wrote a Go client for it.An interesting property I did discover about the way the encryption keys are derived is that the scheme allows you to delegate an oblivious third-party to download the blob for you, without actually revealing the file contents to them.¹ <a href="https://irq5.io/2019/05/14/data-encryption-on-firefox-send/" rel="nofollow">https://irq5.io/2019/05/14/data-encryption-on-firefox-send/</a>

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nickjj超过 4 年前

This was a great service for transferring 1 off files between 2 people (such as 500mb wav files for podcast episodes which is what I used it for).As it turns out, you can get similar behavior with Dropbox. The person sending the file doesn't need a Dropbox account either. You just send them a URL and then they have permission to upload the file.The only extra step vs Firefox Send is you as the receiver need to delete the file after you've downloaded it. Technically that's optional but in my case that's what I wanted to do.

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AnonHP超过 4 年前

Tangentially, I wonder what's happening with Lockwise. [1] It also seems to be languishing without significant improvements. I was expecting it to be a competitor, at least on mobile, to the likes of Bitwarden, 1Password, and other solutions.[1]: <a href="https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/lockwise/" rel="nofollow">https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/lockwise/</a>

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rkangel超过 4 年前

I once again don't have a good solution for 'how do I email a large file' but <a href="https://webwormhole.io/" rel="nofollow">https://webwormhole.io/</a> is useful and simple, particularly for sending something big to someone you're video chatting with.

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toyg超过 4 年前

This is one thing they could have done better in partnership with someone whose main business is hosting and transferring files.I said it yesterday: Mozilla and Dropbox should talk. Alone they will perish, united they’ll be a real alternative to FAANG.

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sstanfie超过 4 年前

I switched to croc (<a href="https://github.com/schollz/croc" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/schollz/croc</a>) to send large files. Works great across macOS and Windows. It's synchronous, one-time, so not a fire-and-forget system. But quick for large files (sending custom disk images for Raspberry Pi).

jtbayly超过 4 年前

This was really funny because I tried to use it for the first time just after it was taken down, but before the announcement. At that time, it loaded a page that made it seem like it was just offline temporarily.

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alex_duf超过 4 年前

I wish we could get every major OS to work on an open standard for file transfer from device to device (locally).

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blooalien超过 4 年前

And mere minutes after reading this, what should come in on my newsfeed?<a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24503077" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24503077</a>Another tool for sending encrypted files from one machine to another. Viva la Hacker News!

isodev超过 4 年前

I was under the impression Firefox Send was one of the upcoming paid service offerings. At least, that we were seeing the free service and waiting some premium features to be released later on. It will be missed, it was a really easy and intuitive solution for file sharing,

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shp0ngle超过 4 年前

....oh.I have used it a few times in the past for the classic task "move large file between two computers that are next to each other, how the hell do I do this simply", but yeah, I can't see how that would be cost-effective for Firefox.

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surfsvammel超过 4 年前

Too bad. Never used it myself but it seemed like a useful tool from someone I trust.

werdnapk超过 4 年前

I used this service fairly often with clients to send me large files... pretty much drag and drop and send me the link to the file. I thought it was great.I guess I'll check out some of the alternatives listed in the comments here now.

dpc_pw超过 4 年前

The fact that you need a 3rd party service to send a file between two computers is a failure of the Internet as a whole.Instead of addressing it, the technical community as a whole just keeps putting bandaids on it.

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surround超过 4 年前

Discussion yesterday:<a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24508880" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24508880</a>

fergbrain超过 4 年前

The challenge I have is when someone non-technical needs to send me a very large file.I’ve resorted to spinning up a pureftp server in docker and having them drop it there.

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rvz超过 4 年前

Oh dear. A stunning failure of another Firefox product which was hyped to hot air: [0]Looks like Mozilla really needs to find something to actually be more competitive than their current offerings of 'VPNs', 'File Sharing' and 'Web Browsers'.[0] <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19367850" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19367850</a>

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neilsimp1超过 4 年前

Hahahaha. I have always thought this looked like a great product but never really had a need for it.I had a file slightly too large to email last night and thought I'd try FF Send for the first time ever, only to be greeted with `Service Unavailable`.It's a real bummer this is going away, and I hope this isn't a sign of more to come.

edwincheese超过 4 年前

We have built an alternative to Firefox Send. End-to-end encrypted, faster, more space, and more features coming. <a href="https://encl.io" rel="nofollow">https://encl.io</a>

DarkmSparks超过 4 年前

Hows firefox doing these days? I've not really used it since it used to run out of memory every few hours, did try it again after they rewrote everything but it was really buggy with half the sites I frequent not working.

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SamuelAdams超过 4 年前

Interesting. I thought it was discontinued due to malware and hackers using it. I wonder if they were ever able to successfully mitigate these threats with an encrypted file sharing service. If they did, the community ought to know so other projects in the future can learn from Mozilla's efforts.[1]: <a href="https://www.zdnet.com/article/mozilla-suspends-firefox-send-service-while-it-addresses-malware-abuse/" rel="nofollow">https://www.zdnet.com/article/mozilla-suspends-firefox-send-...</a>[2]: <a href="https://cybersecuritymag.com/firefox-send-suspended-hackers-malware/" rel="nofollow">https://cybersecuritymag.com/firefox-send-suspended-hackers-...</a>

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mc32超过 4 年前

File.pizza is also p-p file defer in the browser, though I liked send from Mozilla since it was integrated.

redm超过 4 年前

I think this comes down to the fact that deploying an app and a platform are very different things.

llagerlof超过 4 年前

<a href="https://transfer.sh" rel="nofollow">https://transfer.sh</a>

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systems超过 4 年前

what are the good alternatives, I spent sometimes on google, and most services seem to required monthly subscriptionI need to send large file securely sporadically , I cant like pay for like 10 usages etc .. as long as its not time bound

saos超过 4 年前

What a blow. I loved it.

TedDoesntTalk超过 4 年前

> Unfortunately, some abusive users were beginning to use Send to ship malware and conduct spear phishing attacks. This summer we took Firefox Send offline to address this challenge.

gigatexal超过 4 年前

Get paid by Google; kill services like Google.

rogerdpack超过 4 年前

It's like allpeers all over again?

haezee超过 4 年前

Okay, but what happened?

CodinM超过 4 年前

From their Github repo, Deployment: "Optionally telnet, to be able to quickly check your installation"

angel_j超过 4 年前

Mozilla sucks at software. They are prescriptive, and always changing. They practice the worst of open source (give today, take tomorrow, user no choice, auto-updates), and they cannot keep up with enterprise in their own domain.