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150 点作者 _qjt0超过 4 年前

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tallies超过 4 年前
As someone who apparently frequents much more pretentious online film circles than OP, the idea that the highest rated films and shows on IMDB represent the &quot;best&quot; of the mediums is kinda silly.<p>The article uses Star Trek (2009) as its example of a mediocre film. Its IMDB rating is 7.9&#x2F;10 from over 500k votes over 11 years -- surely this would place the film squarely in the &quot;tried and tested&quot; category.<p>If I look on some smaller sites I see a different story. Letterboxd: 7.2&#x2F;10, 234k votes RateYourMusic: 6.4&#x2F;10, 3k votes The first site has a higher ratio of capital f Film fans and the second site is a much smaller site focused on music. Using these three data points I can deduct that Star Trek (2009) is probably a decent franchise action movie that most will find enjoyable but won&#x27;t stand up to scrutiny as a stand alone film or for those expecting something more substantial.<p>The article is right that it&#x27;s so much easier to access the history of a medium than in the past. It&#x27;s interesting to me when a previously unknown work from 25+ years ago is rediscovered and entered into &quot;the canon&quot;. In alternative music a recent example is Long Season by Fishmans from 1996.<p>But going through the canonical &quot;best of&quot; lists for a medium is more-or-less a gateway to developing and discovering your own taste in these things (a process that never ends). You shouldn&#x27;t put much trust in any single source.<p>Something that&#x27;s missing now with this intermingling of old and new art is historical context. A film streaming platform is just a directory of video files attached to 250px images and paragraph blurbs. What is Netflix saying about film and its viewers when it has less than 50 films pre-1980? Now that watching 2000+ films before the age of 30 is common for film fans, what will that mean for the future of film?
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ex3xu超过 4 年前
A similar sentiment from one of Haruki Murakami&#x27;s characters in Norwegian Wood:<p><i>The better I got to know Nagasawa, the stranger he seemed. I had met a lot of strange people in my day, but none as strange as Nagasawa. He was a far more voracious reader than I, but he made it a rule never to touch a book by any author who had not been dead at least thirty years. “That’s the only kind of book I can trust,” he said.<p>“It’s not that I don’t believe in contemporary literature,” he added, “but I don’t want to waste valuable time reading any book that has not had the baptism of time. Life is too short.”<p>“What kind of authors do you like?” I asked, speaking in respectful tones to this man two years my senior. “Balzac, Dante, Joseph Conrad, Dickens,” he answered without hesitation.<p>“Not exactly fashionable.”<p>“That’s why I read them. If you only read the books that everyone else is reading, you can only think what everyone else is thinking. That’s the world of hicks and slobs. Real people would be ashamed of themselves doing that. Haven’t you noticed, Watanabe? You and I are the only real ones in the dorm. The other guys are crap.”<p>This took me off guard. “How can you say that?”<p>“’ Cause it’s true. I know. I can see it. It’s like we have marks on our foreheads. …”</i>
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saurik超过 4 年前
&gt; Go by the average rating, not popularity. It’s better to watch something a million people love than something 10 million people watched and consider okay.<p>... but the average rating is a measure of popularity :&#x2F;. The best movies I have ever seen are rated poorly, because most people didn&#x27;t understand them or they weren&#x27;t &quot;easy&quot; to watch; if you want to find good content, you need to read reviews and find people whose recommendations matter to you, not work off ratings.
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antognini超过 4 年前
One of my favorite journalists, Jesse Walker, has an annual tradition where at the end of the year he posts his favorite movies not from the past year, but from 10 years ago. And then 10 years before that. And then 10 years before that, etc., going back decade by decade until there are no more movies. His philosophy is that 10 years is barely enough time to process which movies had any staying power, so how could he possibly judge which movies were worth watching from the past year?<p>Here is the end of his 2019 series (which includes links to all the other decades of that series): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jessewalker.blogspot.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;01&#x2F;#342764971747282839#342764971747282839" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jessewalker.blogspot.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;01&#x2F;#342764971747282839...</a>
thundergolfer超过 4 年前
Enjoying the best of the past makes the best of the latest more enjoyable too.<p>Consumption of the best-ofs in a media category is an exercise in building media literacy. By listening to Pink Floyd you can get more out of Tame Impala.<p>Big media companies make more money from new than old, so are quite happy to have a consumer go through their life paying for potboiler ephemera. The consumer shouldn’t be happy with that though, as they’d have paid dearly in time and money for media that’s painfully beige compared to the best old stuff and also the best new stuff that they’d only have known to look for if they had built the media literacy.
karaterobot超过 4 年前
Given the rate at which movies, music, and books are created, it stands to reason that most of the best art ever created was created more than 10 years ago.<p>One reason that&#x27;s not a persuasive enough argument for many people is that what they want to get out of art is different. If you want the best sensory experience, then a black and white movie from the 30s is probably not to your taste. Other people appreciate the social aspect of media: being able to be participate in an ongoing conversation about some work, actor, or topic.<p>Both of those are valid reasons to like things, but ideally, you want to be able to see the value of a work independent of your own preferences. That doesn&#x27;t mean denying your own preferences. But, part of a successful education is cultivating the ability to appreciate culture of all kinds, and on its own terms.
schwartzworld超过 4 年前
It feels like a bit of a false dichotomy to me. I love watching old shows and movies, including Mulholland Drive which I&#x27;ve seen a dozen times. But I also enjoy new things. Isn&#x27;t that normal?<p>Now, that said I haven&#x27;t gone to see a summer blockbuster in a decade. I don&#x27;t like Marvel movies or Star wars sequels. There was only one good star wars movie in the original trilogy anyway.
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inetsee超过 4 年前
I have read that the best way to get started in finding good films is to use awards as a starting point: Academy Awards, Directors Guild Awards, Screen Actors Guild Awards. These organizations are made up of people who live and breathe film making, and they vote for what they think is the best, not the most popular.<p>Note that their choices aren&#x27;t perfect; I&#x27;ve watched some movies that won awards that I really didn&#x27;t like. That said, I think these sources are a better starting point than lists based solely on popularity.
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mellowdream超过 4 年前
Arthur Schopenhauer, Parerga and Paralipomena, Volume 2, On Reading and Books, 295 -<p>&quot;Because people always read only the latest, instead of the best of all times, writers stay within a narrow circle of circulating ideas, and the age silts up ever more deeply in its own muck.<p>Therefore with respect to our reading the art of not reading is extremely important. It consists in our not picking up whatever happens to be occupying the greater public at any given time, such as for instance political or literary pamphlets, novels, poems and so on, which currently make a lot of noise and even reach several editions in the first and last years of their run. On the contrary, we should consider that whoever writes for fools always finds a large public, and we should devote the always precious and carefully measured time set aside for reading exclusively to the works of the great minds of all times and peoples, who tower over the rest of humanity, and who are distinguished as such by the voice of fame. Only they really shape and instruct us.<p>Of the inferior we can never read too little and the good never too often. Bad books are intellectual poison: they ruin the mind.<p>In order to read the good it is a condition that we do not read the bad; for life is short, and our time and our powers are limited.&quot;
tzs超过 4 年前
&gt; In the days before the Internet, we had limited space in bookshops, limited TV channels, etc. If you wanted to buy an audiotape, you could buy only what a nearby music shop offered. In those days, you got what was new, whether you liked it or not.<p>My copy of &quot;Greatest Hits of 1720&quot;, purchased in a nearby music shop before there was a commercial Internet, disagrees.<p>That limited space for physical goods in local stores didn&#x27;t mean we only got new stuff. The record shops had an oldies section (not new but only a generation or two old music) and a classical section (for much older music). Older books and movies were similarly available at bookstores and video stores.<p>The way they dealt with limited space was by only stocking the best of the older stuff. You could not go into a music store and find the symphonies of whoever was the 50th best symphony composer from the time of Beethoven. You would just find Beethoven and Haydn and Schubert and some others.<p>Compare to the new section, where you would find everything from the best to the run of the mill.
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asperous超过 4 年前
I doubt anyone who is deliberate about the content they consume needs this advice.<p>New media is popular because of its novelty factor, hype pre-release, the social aspects of discussing whats popular, and the convenience of having a choice be top of mind. I doubt many people only watch whats new or think that new is better. There are many facets of life and few people are interested in making deliberate and contrarian choices in all of them.
luckylion超过 4 年前
&gt; If people are still talking about it after so many years, it must be really good.<p>I disagree. If something is long-term popular, that doesn&#x27;t mean it&#x27;s really good, it means it hit the average taste pretty well. The average taste is very bland, because it&#x27;s, well, average. You can&#x27;t really deviate too far from the lowest common denominator if you want to hit the average taste and be super popular.
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JoeAltmaier超过 4 年前
There are far, far too many variables to complex performances like a movie, to make broad generalities about what you&#x27;ll enjoy. A great movie may address themes uncomfortable for some to enjoy, at least where they are right now. Something great in the past may not age well. Average appeal can be a negative correlation for some who have different tastes.<p>I guess we can agree, that a badly made and acted move is likely to be unpalatable to most. But beyond that, its hard to gauge. That&#x27;s why there&#x27;s so much money in better predictors, they all suck so much now.
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parasubvert超过 4 年前
I think this is partly right. Rather than “media” I think he means “art”, specifically AV media art.<p>Much of the AV media (Not necessarily art) consumed these days by the younger generation a is transitory, part of a conversation, and short: Podcasts and YouTube videos in particular. They take up a lot of the media consumption time. I see this as our new dominant mode of sensemaking, a section of the populace isn’t going out into the world make making mistakes to learn from them, they’re watching YouTube to learn and make sense of the world. (This is why YouTube’s recommendation algorithm is so dangerous socially and politically.)<p>As for consuming art... even that has become a bit different. People watch the latest tent pole Marvel movie or whatnot , yes for a multi hour thrill, but also to join in the conversation with their friends and acquaintances and to not get left behind in the labyrinthine plot continuity. Same goes for the evolution of music genres.<p>In short, much modern media consumption seems to me to be about the current meta-narrative, and that makes it hard to place older stuff in context unless it’s curated by someone that is clever enough to fit it in.<p>For what it’s worth, I love historical art house cinemas, but know almost no one else in real life or my close online circle that does. But I find it provides a lot rewarding depth.<p>The Criterion Channel is my preference - it has a great selection on demand.
KarimDaghari超过 4 年前
&gt; Go by the average rating, not popularity. It’s better to watch something a million people love than something 10 million people watched and consider okay.<p>I agree on the principle, however there’s a trust issue.<p>Out of n reviews on IMDB and RT how many of them are authentic? And how much weight does a critic’s review bear on the overall score?<p>In my case, be it for a movie or a book (not so much for songs though) the Lindy effect applies.
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janvdberg超过 4 年前
Meta:<p>I think High Hopes is from 1994 (not 2003 as the article states). I think I know this because I bought the CD single in the 90s.<p>Probably an innocent typo and not a indication of a less than carefully crafted post.
luord超过 4 年前
The point he tries to make loses a lot of credibility right off the bat by calling a movie with 94% approval by critics in RT and 82&#x2F;100 average rating in metacritic &quot;mediocre&quot;. That&#x27;s higher than many award&#x2F;festival winners... And, amusingly enough, on par with the movie he prefers, Mulholland Drive.<p>It gets weirder when he later says that we should go by the average rating and what a minority found great instead of what a majority found out to be ok... Except if the movie is Star Trek (2009), I guess (it has a lower rating in imdb than in either RT or MC).<p>And then he says that we should like stuff that has stood the test of time... But all the examples of his favorites are within a decade and a half of each other and the oldest is 33, which is young if we take in account the history of motion picture. In fact, his anti-example is closer to most of his examples than any of them to our time. And, of course, people are still talking about that movie, including <i>him</i> even if to disparage it.<p>He finally gets to what I assume is his thesis that we should pay attention to what has stood the test of time... Except if we do that we miss a ton of great content.<p>Sturgeon&#x27;s law is a thing and it has always been. For every Godfather part II there were a hundred exploitation films. All the time, most of what&#x27;s produced is garbage, but also every year (except, of course, the anomaly known as 2020) more media is produced. So, again by Sturgeon&#x27;s law, that means that more <i>great</i> media is produced every year.<p>Apropos of nothing, my two favorite movies are a biopic&#x2F;lawyer drama and a campy spy action movie. I can&#x27;t choose between the two, and both were released the last decade (2010-19). I&#x27;ve also watched dozens of classics and I&#x27;ve liked most of them, but I&#x27;ve also hated a few.<p>So, ultimately, this is a matter of taste, and there&#x27;s nothing wrong with having different tastes.
rland超过 4 年前
A lot of media released now is poisoned by a much stronger symbiosis with its own deployment into &quot;the market.&quot;<p>Netflix and all others track every minute of the shows they release. They track where people drop off, what they spend watching, for how long, what scenes they repeat. They probably track which scenes and stills are capped and shared on social media.<p>This alters the content, especially in something like a TV show which has time to be created in a reactive way.<p>The hallmark of a 2020 streaming show is a scene with 2-4 spicy, post-able bits of dialogue with a glaringly obvious connection to the political, social, or cultural malaise of This Month. TV shows are increasingly becoming just a chain of those.<p>This was always the case (studios have always had a profit motive) but with the internet it&#x27;s turned up to 11. Like everything else in our culture, I guess.
mcphage超过 4 年前
It is also enjoyable to talk to people about what is new and popular, and to be part of those conversations.
Kiro超过 4 年前
I like sci-fi films with good CGI. Similarly I enjoy electronic music where they push the boundaries in production techniques. This naturally gives newer productions an upper hand when it comes to my taste.
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zod50超过 4 年前
I get the gist of what the author is trying to tell us here, don&#x27;t fall on the hype train(trending on Netflix, YouTube, social media etc.) now, instead allow media contents coming out today to settle, undergo the test of time, and if it is truly good content, in a few years from now it may still be regarded as worthy. The author seems to be applying the same logic when choosing contents that are 10 or 20 years old, only those that have continued to sustain its popularity&#x2F;fame is what&#x27;s considered as worthy.
AlexTWithBeard超过 4 年前
Sometimes I wish there also were &quot;news of the past&quot;, so that we could recall what was on our minds ten years ago and see it in the perspective.<p>Something like... Ten years ago Senate was voting to appoint John Doe a new supreme court judge. At that moment FNN Channel claimed it would be the end of the free world as we know it and Cox News praised the appointment as returning to the good old times. As we see now, ten years later neither prophecy was correct: the world has not ended and good old times did not return.
spinach超过 4 年前
&gt; Society’s norms with media and culture are stuck in the pre-Internet days<p>People in society want to have jobs in creative pursuits, and for that they need money, they need people to consume the newest products.<p>So on the other hand, isn&#x27;t it better to support living people who are incorporating the current times into their art than to support old content where perhaps the creators are dead and won&#x27;t see the money?
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Hamuko超过 4 年前
*Enjoy the most popular, not the latest, media<p>There&#x27;d be a lot of gems that would have been hidden from me if I just enjoyed what everyone else liked.
jancsika超过 4 年前
Wouldn&#x27;t it be better to continue watching the &quot;latest&quot; with a critical eye? Sharpening one&#x27;s ability to explain seemingly incoherent plot-arc or character choices based on genre, style, etc., seems a great way to deepen one&#x27;s appreciation of the best films.
rdlecler1超过 4 年前
My default in Yelp and Amazon is to sort by number or reviews rather than average rating because at small scale ratings can be games and if a restaurant is getting 6,000 reviews at 3.5 stars they are probably doing something right.
metabagel超过 4 年前
The Criterion Channel has many highly regarded films from the earliest cinema to present day. Worth checking out.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.criterionchannel.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.criterionchannel.com&#x2F;</a>
globular-toast超过 4 年前
I agree in general. But Mulholland Drive is absolute rubbish which people like because they know that most won&#x27;t like it (because it&#x27;s rubbish).<p>I&#x27;ve been invited to similar groups that have esoteric music tastes. They think that because I have a good taste in music I will fit into those groups. But I can&#x27;t stand them. It&#x27;s all about finding the most obscure thing possible. The kind of thing that isn&#x27;t popular for very good reason. It&#x27;s just not that good.<p>Beethoven&#x27;s 9th Symphony has virtually universal appeal. Die Hard is considered one of the best action movies of all time. Those are the kind of things you need to make sure you see. After that, whether you watch the latest mindless popcorn thriller or crap that nobody really likes is up to you. I&#x27;d rather watch the popcorn thriller, though.
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BeetleB超过 4 年前
Some random golden oldies (mostly not including anything 1990&#x27;s or newer).<p>M<p>Dersu Uzala<p>Battle of Algiers<p>Z<p>The Third Man<p>Touch of Evil<p>Planet of the Apes<p>In The Mood for Love (OK: It&#x27;s not that old)<p>The Killing Fields<p>The Lives of Others (OK: It&#x27;s not that old)<p>The Straight Story (OK: It&#x27;s not that old)<p>On The Waterfront<p>12 Angry Men<p>Mary and Max (OK: It&#x27;s not that old)<p>Marty<p>Matewan<p>The Girl With the Red Scarf<p>City Lights<p>Umberto D<p>Fireworks (OK: Not that old)<p>How Green Was My Valley<p>Ordinary People
pontifier超过 4 年前
There is so much great media that exists, but is expensive or hard to find. I&#x27;m hoping to solve these problems once and for all.
supernova87a超过 4 年前
This is kind of like saying, well we have 100s of years of historical newspapers to read through with far more interesting events, why do we bother reading today&#x27;s?
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dminvs超过 4 年前
Never mind what’s been selling<p>It’s what you’re buying<p>And receiving undefiled
tonymet超过 4 年前
I’m impressed that he’s saying some art has more quality than others
srtjstjsj超过 4 年前
Huh. Up til now I thought &quot;potboiler&quot; meant mildly entertaining filler, &quot;a way to pass the time while waiting for a pot to boil&quot;, since &quot;a watched pot never boils&quot;.
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newbie789超过 4 年前
I am somewhat confused by what the author is suggesting here. &quot;Best&quot; is a highly subjective term in this case. Also, the media described as &quot;the best&quot; was also once new.<p>There was a day before Star Trek:TNG came out, and then the next day it premiered. By the author&#x27;s own reasoning he or she wouldn&#x27;t have watched &quot;the best tv show ever made&quot; until after the invention of IMDB and its listing there.<p>I personally enjoy watching new content because it&#x27;s a bit like real-time anthropology. The media we create and consume says something about the society that forms the context around its creation and consumption.<p>I suppose not everybody feels this way, and that&#x27;s fine. I don&#x27;t really have any desire to tell people what or what not to watch or listen to. This blog post being so sure of its content is a bit... odd.<p>For example, using the term &quot;best album&quot; over &quot;the album I enjoyed the most&quot; kind of indicates a surety that feels somewhat like they&#x27;re talking down to you. I guess my question here is &quot;Why?&quot;
nendroid超过 4 年前
This guy doesn&#x27;t get it. The industry for media is way more complex than this and it involves an interplay between media consumers and creators.<p>What is defined as &quot;best&quot; is a constantly moving target because audiences are getting more and more sophisticated. Every time the industry breaks new ground with new media or a new concept, the audience learns from the experience and the movie industry can only regurgitate that concept so many times before the concept becomes redundant.<p>You think something like game of thrones could have been made two decades ago? What drives the sophistication of TV shows up to the point where they kill off the main character in the first season just to keep you interested? Doing outlandish stuff like this was never needed to keep audience engagement in the past... In fact movies made nowadays are waaaay to intense for audiences back in the 60s.<p>This isn&#x27;t something I&#x27;m just making up. Movie execs are very very aware of this issue, they know that the bar needs to be constantly raised to engage viewers and ironically by every time you raise the bar you train the audience to be even more more sophisticated and you gotta raise the bar again.<p>I&#x27;m only a matter of time before audiences are so sophisticated that they begin realizing this fact as well.<p>Right now, in general, the audience isn&#x27;t intelligent enough to recognize this positive feedback loop. To the audience this phenomenon mostly appears as &quot;all modern movies are stupid except for the classics.&quot;<p>What&#x27;s going on is that the &quot;classic&quot; you love so much was the bar raiser and all the other movies that came after it are filler in attempt to capitalize on the concept and raise the bar further. The cycle continues until one random movie actually successfully changes the game.<p>How many marvel movies need to come out before the whole franchise becomes boring? I&#x27;m enjoying the franchise right now but I know that eventually it won&#x27;t be as good as the classic original movies that started it all.
anm89超过 4 年前
I will never understand people that like Mulholland drive
dannyeei超过 4 年前
It&#x27;s a fair thesis but the reality is that films and most things are constantly getting a lot better because people are learning from the best
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