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CNCF Cloud Native Interactive Landscape

76 点作者 pagade超过 4 年前

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CSDude超过 4 年前
Last Kubecon in person was exactly like this page, few interesting talks, lots of vendor pitch and them trying to convince cloud native is opposite of vendor lock-in. Yeah, maybe for things like OpenTracing where you can have multiple export options.<p>But why the fuck Splunk or vSphere is here? Just because they support cloud native unit, containers?<p>I unfollowed a lot of CNCF related twitter accounts and mailing lists to avoid vendor spam and been happier since.<p>I don’t want to be that grumpy old man (I’m 30, kinda getting old for our sector unfortunately) but all of this is too much.
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dimitar超过 4 年前
Simple explanation of what Cloud Native is or should be:<p>- Kubernetes is to the AWS&#x2F;Azure&#x2F;other platforms what Linux was to Unix circa 2000s. Kind of the same but with more choice with the original Unix vendors forced by competition to adopt Linux.<p>- Kubernetes and the ecosystem around it will make zero sense for you if you haven&#x27;t adopted &quot;devops culture&quot; (meaning that at the very least devs care about operations and IT guys put their things in git) AND you use microservices or the very least more than ten different servies or replicas.<p>- Vendor spam is real. YAGNI most of the time. But also different strokes for different folks.<p>- If you think that many cloud native things are just classic open source software needlessly rewritten in Golang and overengineered - you are probably right.
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deanCommie超过 4 年前
You can (and people have) post this to Twitter as a joke with no additional punchline required.<p>So, you&#x27;ve avoided Vendor lock-in. But at what cost?<p>&quot;Cloud native&quot; is a buzzword without a meaning. Any modern service, library, or framework understands that it&#x27;s most likely going to be executed in a Cloud virtualized environment. After that, the differences are negligible.<p>The real power of the cloud isn&#x27;t that it&#x27;s &quot;someone else&#x27;s computers&quot;, it&#x27;s the rich diverse ecosystem of different services that INTERPLAY with one another in &quot;<i>&lt;provider&gt;</i>-native&quot; ways.<p>Whether it&#x27;s AWS, or Azure, or Google. Pick one, and invest your platform into it.<p>The CNCF landscape may offer you the ability to migrate between a provider easier, but whatever discounts you might realize on raw virtual instance cost per hour will be MINISCULE compared to the A) additional overhead of building cross-cloud, and B) the opportunity cost you will leave on the table of not being able to utilize specialized services from these providers that solve immediately problems you&#x27;ll need to instead reimplement yourself.<p>Lastly, and now we&#x27;re getting into personal feelings territory instead of raw facts of &quot;total cost of ownership&quot;, the whole CNCF leaves a rotten taste in my mouth by pretending to be an impartial agenda-free organization (a la Apache) when in reality it&#x27;s origins and real mission are Google&#x27;s attempted play at competing in the cloud wars from 3rd place.<p>There is no debate about this. At the core of everything in CNCF is Kubernetes. And while you <i>can</i> run Kubernetes on any server in the cloud or otherwise, managing it and maintaining Kubernetes infrastructure is a full time job that anyone who tries wants to immediately delegate to a provider. And here comes along Google saying &quot;Well actually, we have a Manged Kubernetes service in GCP, and wouldn&#x27;t you know it, it&#x27;s the best one? I mean you know Kubernetes came froM Google originally right, so it makes sense that we would build the best one.&quot;<p>And everyone nods and goes along with it. What percentage of CNCF platforms are running on GCP? 90%? Higher? And once you embrace one of those Managed Kubernetes services, you&#x27;re just as locked in if you had built on AWS Lambda or Azure Functions, only you&#x27;ve spent way more time and money for <i>ZERO</i> benefit to your actual underlying business.
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otoburb超过 4 年前
One of my friends made a 1000 piece jigsaw puzzle[1] of the CNCF Landscape for a laugh (all sold out). It was fun and challenging to put all the pieces together, especially because my children were a little confused with the various logos.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.etsy.com&#x2F;listing&#x2F;854562986&#x2F;cncf-landscape-puzzle" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.etsy.com&#x2F;listing&#x2F;854562986&#x2F;cncf-landscape-puzzle</a>
prrls超过 4 年前
I feel dizzy now, thank you.
moonbug超过 4 年前
being clicky doesn&#x27;t make it any less of a hellscape
gallexme超过 4 年前
anyone knows some ressources for running kubernetes outside the cloud?, like guides&#x2F;best practices&#x2F;example setups<p>like 1-2 machines scenarios inside airgapped companys, collecting and processing measurements and displaying them, used by managers of industry companies which expect a one click app install etc?<p>i really struggle with kubernetes in that case, and theres barely any documentation&#x2F;best practices<p>i found it easy to run kubernetes on google,amazon,hetzner, but outside that it feels like hell
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