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Such a well written piece that articulates a lot of things I’ve talked about lately with friends, family and coworkers.I said just yesterday to someone that there are always politics, it’s only a question of how formalized they are. The less formalized, the more the workplace is probably being bent to the whims of the best manipulators.So when someone says there are no politics, they are either clueless or pulling the strings themselves.Same goes with the claim of “no ego” workplaces. OK, either you have only robots working there, or that’s how you treat your humans. But it’s an admission that they can’t or won’t deal with real human problems. In a thought labor industry (I’m a software developer) this is disastrous; imagine a construction company with no protocols for preventing or dealing with physical injury.

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benjaminjosephw超过 4 年前

I think one of the most interesting observations here is that the informal structures described always exist in an organization regardless of the formal structures. The formal structures should exist to hold explicit power and keep informal power in check but that's not to say that informal power isn't still at play.> The rules of decision-making must be open and available to everyone, and this can happen only if they are formalized. This is not to say that formalization of a structure of a group will destroy the informal structure. It usually doesn't. But it does hinder the informal structure from having predominant control and make available some means of attacking it if the people involved are not at least responsible to the needs of the group at large.I've found that understanding how informal power works in an organization is extremely important if you really want to get something done - especially if that organization has dysfunctional formal structures.This article is the best description of the nature of those informal structures that I've ever seen.

diffrinse超过 4 年前

It's no longer popular to bring up writers like The Philosopher, but Aristotle made the same essential observation over 2000 years ago that it is the nature of humans, no different than bees, to form a political order.Spinoza pushes this naturalism even further when he asserted that there was no way to prove that human civilization is somehow distinct from termites building giant dirt mounds; "we don't know what a body can do" - being a human body and producing artifacts are the same thing, just like being a human body and auto-organizing politically (a slightly different product) is indistinct. These are things our bodies do.

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igravious超过 4 年前

<pre><code> The Tyranny of Structurelessness (1970)(http://www.bopsecrets.org/CF/structurelessness.htm) 203 points|pron|7 years ago|120 comments The Tyranny of Structurelessness (1973)(https://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm?) 115 points|sillysaurus3|2 years ago|20 comments The Tyranny of Structurelessness (1972)(http://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm) 98 points|hargup|4 years ago|54 comments The Tyranny of Structurelessness(http://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm) 32 points|orph|6 years ago|15 comments </code></pre> <a href="https://hn.algolia.com/?q=%09The+Tyranny+of+Structurelessness" rel="nofollow">https://hn.algolia.com/?q=%09The+Tyranny+of+Structurelessnes...</a>

blippage超过 4 年前

I'm hazy on the details, but in the 70's in the UK, there was a car manufacturer (British Leyland?, but probably not) that was taken over by the workers.The idea was that there was to be no class separation within the workforce: no "them" and "us". There were to be no managers, actions were to be decided collectively.Only, it didn't work, and they finally conceded that they needed management and structure.

lapinot超过 4 年前

This text pops over and over as some kind of critic to anarchism. Thing is, lots of anarchistic groups have thought about this kind of "covert domination structure". See "A Review of The “Tyranny of Structurelessness”: An organizationalist repudiation of anarchism".<a href="https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/jason-mcquinn-a-review-of-the-tyranny-of-structurelessness-an-organizationalist-repudiation-of" rel="nofollow">https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/jason-mcquinn-a-revi...</a>

ntnsndr超过 4 年前

I recently applied this article and more to current debates in open source: <a href="https://nathanschneider.info/Tyranny" rel="nofollow">https://nathanschneider.info/Tyranny</a>

082349872349872超过 4 年前

Does "Lot System" refer to sortition?

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wwweaponizer超过 4 年前

<a href="https://xkcd.com/1095/" rel="nofollow">https://xkcd.com/1095/</a>

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o_class_star超过 4 年前

One of the scariest things a manager can say about his company, if you're thinking of joining it is, "There's no politics here."Business guys don't perceive getting what they want as "politics" but as the natural, right thing happening. It's "politics" when it's people who aren't them getting what they want. "There's no politics" means that it's a dictatorship where the boss gets everything he wants-- and that's usually not an ideal place to work.

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