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Everything I know about elite America I learned from Fresh Prince and West Wing

84 点作者 bkohlmann超过 4 年前

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crazygringo超过 4 年前
&gt; <i>What I’ve come to appreciate in the years since is that the stories portrayed were not exactly value neutral. Television, like all forms of fiction, contains implicit messages about how to be a good person and what sort of aims are worth pursuing.</i><p>This is very, very, very true. A screenwriting teacher of mine once explained to me that the vast majority of us no longer get our &quot;sermons&quot; from church. We get them from sitcoms.<p>Sitcoms aren&#x27;t just joke-delivery vehicles or advertising conduits (though they&#x27;re those, too). They&#x27;re actually the primary place the majority of Americans learn about how to be a good person.<p>It may sound like a bizarre claim at first, but pretty much every sitcom follows a plot something along the lines of: character has bad idea, character debates whether to do it, character does bad idea, idea seems to succeed at first, idea ultimately fails miserably, character is in trouble, character gets bailed out by someone who loves them, character learns their lesson. Virtually every sitcom episode demonstrates a moral lesson in their A-plot. (B plots and C plots are more often just gags though.)<p>Given the amount of TV most Americans watch, we learn far more &quot;lessons&quot; in any given week or month than we have the opportunity to do so in real life or through friends.<p>Sitcom writers actually hold a tremendous place of responsibility in American society that they can use (and have used) for good. As the article notes, Will &amp; Grace was a big factor in changing Americans&#x27; attitudes towards gay people. Just like the Cosby show was for attitudes towards Black families. So you might think sitcoms are dumb... but they&#x27;re a <i>huge</i> part of people&#x27;s moral education, most of all when watching them as kids and teenagers.
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Ancapistani超过 4 年前
&gt; [West Wing] tested “extremely well” with certain audience segments. Among them: households that earned more than $75,000 a year, households with at least one college graduate and households that subscribed to The New York Times.<p>Ah: white, liberal households.<p>I’m the first to say that not everything should be about politics, but I’ve always strongly associated that show with the left. I’ve never heard a conservative reference it at all.<p>Honestly, this seems like a pretty transparent attempt to let readers of the NYT feel good about themselves.
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googthrowaway42超过 4 年前
It&#x27;s actually much deeper and more insidious than this.<p>These kinds of shows and movies that you grew up watching provide the character and narrative archetypes that you act out in your own life. This affects every aspect of your life. You are basing your emotional responses and behaviors and making life choices based off whatever ideas and values had currency among a small group of animators&#x2F;story writers&#x2F;producers&#x2F;etc that were active during your childhood.<p>I remember coming to this realization many years ago (I&#x27;m 28 now). I would sometimes catch myself actively conceptualizing a particular movie&#x2F;tv character in trying to understand how to behave or conceptualize a certain situation I was in.<p>Since then I have done a deep dive into the Western canon including history, philosophy, psychology, and religion. From engaging with all of that I have basically purged these contemporary archetypes and narratives and replaced them with traditional, more grounded ones (e.g. from Fresh Prince of Bel Air to Julius Caesar, from the History Channel to Herodotus).<p>It&#x27;s akin to replacing a life long diet of gas station junk food with fresh organic fruits, vegetables, and meats. Since then I have gained an immeasurable sense of equanimity and inner calm. Now when I call upon these archetypes to understand the world and how I should feel and respond to it, I am engaging with things which have roots that go very deep.
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eatonphil超过 4 年前
Went looking for the mentioned book &quot;Class: A Guide Through the American Status System&quot;, which is a few decades old, and found this Atlantic retrospective [0] that had a few more interesting recent thoughts on the matter and a few more books to read.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&#x2F;magazine&#x2F;archive&#x2F;2009&#x2F;03&#x2F;class-dismissed&#x2F;307274&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&#x2F;magazine&#x2F;archive&#x2F;2009&#x2F;03&#x2F;class-d...</a>
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tzm超过 4 年前
My friends in China (mid-2000&#x27;s) learned about America through &quot;Friends&quot; and &quot;Sex in the City&quot;.
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dcarmo超过 4 年前
&gt; What I can’t quite disentangle is whether it taught me how to get what I had always wanted or taught me what to want.<p>This is a question that keeps coming back to me and I still don&#x27;t know the answer. And maybe I&#x27;ll never will.
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akhilcacharya超过 4 年前
Interesting how West Wing comes up in this because Sorkins emphasis on educational prestige in Newsroom, Social Network and to a lesser extent Molly’s Game is what made me incredibly sad to graduate from a state school!
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RickJWagner超过 4 年前
A nice read, and I&#x27;m very happy to see the author progress from foster homes to the military to academia and finally to the brink of a PhD.<p>But if the author thinks reading the NYT, Vanity Fair and The Atlantic is the way of &quot;Elite&quot; America, I disagree. It&#x27;s a microcosm of a bubble, and that&#x27;s no way to be elite about anything real.
jancsika超过 4 年前
&gt; There is a well-known idea that liberal Hollywood indoctrinates audiences, leading them to change their values or beliefs.<p>The author spends half the article on what is essentially a left-wing fairy tale that posits the question, &quot;If the Democrats had political rhetoric even half as effective as the Republicans , what might it sound like?&quot; Putting that show in the context of &quot;liberal indoctrination&quot; is like writing an entire article on Bolero and then stating, &quot;A lot of people find Ravel&#x27;s music blustery and repetitive.&quot;<p>I also love how the author uses ambiguity to hedge in that sentence. E.g., change <i>how</i>? Say I give the example of Zero Dark Thirty repeating the right-wing propaganda of its former-CIA consultants to rationalize the CIA torture regime so a lot of powerful people can continue evading jail time. I go on to explain that this is par for the course for the modern Hollywood U.S. war movie with very few exceptions. Well, the author never said the indoctrination was toward liberal values-- they only implied it was effective in changing ideas and values. So now they can freely pivot to one of a number of potentially contradictory positions at will (military movies are an exception, Hollywood liberal are only liberal in name, author doesn&#x27;t actually believe the trope and was only using it as an example, Hollywood liberalism is uncritical and therefore subject to exploitation from other powerful propagandists like the Pentagon&#x2F;China, etc.).<p>In light of that it is worth noting-- especially on HN-- that there is writing in the humanities that doesn&#x27;t merely &quot;ask questions,&quot; but also does research, provides evidence, and takes a stance based on that evidence. This isn&#x27;t an example of that.