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Ask HN: Best HVAC system for a new house?

91 点作者 dhruvkar超过 4 年前
I know nothing about building houses. I&#x27;ve never even bought a house. However, we bought some land, got an architect to draft up some custom plans, now we&#x27;re in the bidding phase.<p>What sorts of HVAC systems are out there and as a nerd&#x2F;engineer, should I want a completely analog system or &#x27;state of the art&#x27; HVAC system or something in between?<p>Besides the usual, I&#x27;d like as much fine grained control over different parts of the house, at the very least control separately the temperatures in the basement, 1st and 2nd floor.

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realitysballs超过 4 年前
I work for a high-end custom residential GC and have see a lot of high end HVAC systems.<p>The new trends are as follows:<p>HRV (heat recovery ventilators) are pretty in. Basically they are auxiliary units that source outside fresh air or exhaust stale air when there is a heat differential between a specific heating&#x2F;cooling zone and the outside temps. So if you are in a basement that is cold and the outside is hot it will just bring in outside air instead of turning on the heater.<p>Radiant floor heating and radiant cooling zones are also in. And run water through Your floors to heat or cool zones. It is one of the most efficient ways to heat a structure and feels good as well.<p>Geothermal is also pretty in for high-end residences but there is a high first cost to evaluate geothermal potential.<p>Most of these new technologies are usually coupled with standard split-systems or VRF systems and add additional efficiency (life cycle cost value) over the span of occupancy but have higher first costs .<p>Lastly— always consider passive heating and cooling strategies they are highest value options (insulation , shading, glazing specs , solar orientation , landscaping , etc.)
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bleepblorp超过 4 年前
Look at the multi-zone minisplit heat pumps from Mitsubishi and Daikin. These systems support room-by-room zoning. They&#x27;ll do air conditioning in any climate and can be designed to provide heat in conditions down to 5 to 10 degrees below freezing.<p>If you&#x27;re in a climate that gets colder than that, get either baseboard heaters, or a zoned boiler system, for backup heat for when the heat pumps can&#x27;t keep up during cold weather. Which option makes the most sense will depend on how cold it gets and for how long.
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ogre_codes超过 4 年前
This is a complicated question because the answer relies heavily on where your house is.<p>Living in the Pacific Northwest I&#x27;m able to get by with no AC but need decent heat. When I lived in California, air conditioning was kind of a must but heat was pretty much an afterthought.<p>Ideally, engineer your house so you don&#x27;t need a powerful HVAC system to be comfortable. We have (amazing) insulation so we don&#x27;t need any air conditioning, but it gets a bit chilly so we are working on installing radiant heat in the floor.
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ag56超过 4 年前
Depends so much on your climate.<p>Heat: the best by far is under floor heating (hot water not electric). Each room will have its own thermostat. There will be no cold spots, it will just feel cozy. No air is being cycled around the room keeping dust down.<p>Ventilation: indoor pollution is usually many multiples of outdoor. You want a an MVHR (or MEV) system to exchange the air in the house for fresh air with low heat (energy) loss.<p>AC: You need to move cold air around for this unfortunately. Pumping chilled water through your under floor heating pipes risks condensation in crawl spaces, and even if it doesn’t it simply doesn’t work very well. (Source: I had ‘radiant cooling’ ceiling panels in my last house.) I would look into a mini-duct or ductless AC system so you can control each room individually.<p>In climates that require heat and cooling, it is far more cost effective to go with a standard HVAC system, unfortunately, as you’ll be putting ducts throughout the house for AC. (Why put a separate system in for heating when you could just move hot air around?) But if you want the best, not cheapest, solution you really want under floor heating.
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georgeoliver超过 4 年前
I would strongly encourage you to think less about systems and more about performance goals.<p><pre><code> * How much energy use? * How much carbon do you want to burn? * How much money do you want to spend year over year? * What kind of indoor air quality do you want to achieve? * What is your comfort zone temperature wise? </code></pre> Then design your system around that. This also encourages thinking about how these goals interact with site conditions: glazing, solar orientation, climate, etc.<p>I don&#x27;t know the scope of your project but consider getting a mechanical plan drawn up. Most residential projects don&#x27;t have them and in my opinion (I&#x27;ve been building since 1999) it&#x27;s a lost opportunity for a better, more efficient installation.
silexia超过 4 年前
If you are building a house, I highly recommend watching Essential Craftsman on YouTube. He has a wonderful playlist series on building a spec house that will help you understand what&#x27;s going on. I even signed up for his Patreon (my first time using that tool).
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zachrose超过 4 年前
I&#x27;m not an expert but I am interested in the wisdom of regional and historical architecture for this sort of thing. Look at the old buildings where you are. How did they do it?<p>(You might get less out of this if you&#x27;re in a place that boomed with air conditioning, but still there are lessons to learn from the indigenous architecture[1] of your region.)<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Native-American-Architecture-Peter-Nabokov&#x2F;dp&#x2F;0195066650" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Native-American-Architecture-Peter-Na...</a>
vyrotek超过 4 年前
You&#x27;ll get a better response posting this to an HVAC specific Reddit.
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souprock超过 4 年前
That stuff is minor. For about $10,000 you can change it out, and you certainly will over the years. Budget about $1000 per year for a normal system, with replacement every 10 years.<p>The serious concern is ductwork. Replacement means ripping open walls, unless you go for the weird industrial look. Fixing your walls is not cheap.<p>Normal ductwork grows a thick layer of toxic black mold. Normal ductwork is impossible to scrub clean.<p>Good ductwork has a hard and perfectly smooth inner surface. It can withstand vigorous scrubbing. It is made of bare uncoated metal that is corrosion-resistant and mold-suppressing. Nickel and copper are great.
donavanm超过 4 年前
Depends on where you live and what your energy costs and options are. Be prepared to pay $$$ as you start adding zones, especially at a “per room” level.<p>In the PNW my todo wishlist is heat pump + zoned underfloor radiant + on demand gas boiler for supplementary heat and household water supply. TBD on cooling via ceiling&#x2F;floor loops or separate wall mounted chiller&#x2F;evaporator units.<p>I had gas fired boiler + radiant heat + supplementary resistive heating in each bedroom. I’m currently living with 3 zoned mini splits. Honestly happy enough with both, but structural radiant heat is just the best for comfort.
hellonoko超过 4 年前
This wasn&#x27;t something your architect discussed with you? They should have, this should be an integral part of how your home is designed and functions.<p>Best in what way? Efficiency? Comfort? Initial Cost? Maintenance? Air quality?<p>If you would like a list of resources to dive into this let me know!
obeone超过 4 年前
There are 2 aspects to home comfort: Having the right amount of heat in your house, and keeping the temperature in your home from fluctuating. As others have pointed out on this thread, there are many ways to add and remove heat from your home. I would suggest that the second point, the thermal mass of your home, is an often overlooked item that is very easy to design in pre-construction, but very hard to add as an afterthought. Interior stone, concrete, and water (like a fountain, for example) efficiently and perpetually absorb and radiate the existing heat into an already conditioned space in a way that is eminently comfortable.
jxramos超过 4 年前
I&#x27;m not sure entirely, but there&#x27;s a ton of products over here worth poring over <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.supplyhouse.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.supplyhouse.com&#x2F;</a>
fizixer超过 4 年前
Plan your circulation: in every room, one high vent, one low vent, both with smart open&#x2F;close,<p>Winter: warm air comes in from the bottom vent, goes out from the top vent<p>Summer: cool air comes in from the top vent, goes out from the bottom vent<p>This dual inlet&#x2F;outlet role from the same vent will have to be managed by some kind of valves&#x2F;directer-plates inside the ducts.<p>a smart thermostat in every room<p>Vent open&#x2F;close percentage controlled by each room&#x27;s temperature (essentially vent acts like a per-room thermostat, while the main thermostat controls the overall&#x2F;average temperature).<p>Disclaimer: I&#x27;m not an HVAC person.
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EricE超过 4 年前
The most comfortable I&#x27;ve been in winter is with buildings that have in-floor radiant heat. It would almost be worth living in an area with severe winter as they are a that nice. If the area you are in gets cold, it would be 1st priority for me. I&#x27;ll be remodeling my bathroom and I will be adding electric heat under the tile - set it to come on a few hours before I get up in the morning - heaven!<p>For cooling, multi-zone mini-splits are hard to beat. Per room control. Most of them are variable speed so they are exceptional at dehumidification in the summer. The heat pump capabilities on them are also tend to be significantly better than traditional HVAC systems. I&#x27;ve added them on to a few rooms and my garage; if I ever build another home or have to do a significant remodel&#x2F;replacement of an HVAC system I will go with mini-splits. Also no ductwork in unconditioned spaces. If you do go with traditional HVAC and are going to have ductwork in traditionally unconditioned spaces like an attic, look at the recent trends in treating traditionally unconditioned spaces like attics&#x2F;crawl spaces as condition spaces - there have been a lot of advances in insulation, ventilation, etc.<p>Finally as many others mentioned, if you are building a new home it should be a tight home (tight from air infiltration&#x2F;leakage) so a heat recovery ventilator is a must.<p>An excellent YouTuber to peruse for lots of great ideas on how to improve on home building is Matt Risigner - I think he goes by The Build Show. There are lots of TV shows and people on YouTube pimping building advice but he&#x27;s pretty approachable to even those not familiar with construction at all, and I haven&#x27;t seen him hand out what I would consider off the wall or crazy advice - but he still will push the bounds of what is considered best practices in the industry.<p>Upgrading the right materials for your home can have a HUGE impact. A couple years back there was that major hurricane in Florida and there was the house that the homeowner spent about 20% more on and his survived, and all this neighbors for blocks were literally flattened. Even if you don&#x27;t have major storms to worry about, well built homes are significantly more comfortable, healthier (I recently had a mold issue due to inadequate ventilation), and could even save you money on heating&#x2F;cooling.
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galfarragem超过 4 年前
It&#x27;s impossible to give an accurate advice without knowing your precise location and climate.<p>As a rule of thumb, as an Architect (the real one), I would start by using the best insulation you can afford. In a good percentage of inhabited places this will guarantee you a livable if not a confortable home. Then, according to your climate and economic environment (wood and derivates, gas, fuel, coal and electricity prices are highly variable depending of your specific location) invest in an heating source.
erikerikson超过 4 年前
Heat pumps and an ERV. Both fairly simple but provide hear&#x2F;cooling and clean fresh air, respectively and both do so efficiently. There really needs to be an advance but that hasn&#x27;t happened yet and every knowledgeable HVAC person I spoke with said the &quot;advanced&quot; combination units broke down too much and were overly expensive to acquire, fix, and maintain. Make sure your home is air right with spray foam or something like it.
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georgeburdell超过 4 年前
I got a Mitsubishi variable speed heat pump installed recently to replace my gas furnace (didn&#x27;t have AC before). It&#x27;s extremely quiet, inside and out. I do not recommend it for areas that go well below freezing, though. I want to say the unit is rated down to 20F<p>I believe it comes in mini-split varieties but I did not choose that option as it was more expensive and I didn&#x27;t like the aesthetics.
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stunt超过 4 年前
Either the one that the company where I work builds, because I&#x27;m building their APIs. Or any other system that is powered by Rust and is fully distributed on AWS must be a good choice. Otherwise, I can also recommend the one that I use in my house because I had no issues with it so far.<p>Now that was a lame joke. But seriously you can find better answers in Reddit or other specialized communities.
stevep98超过 4 年前
Check out Matt Risinger&#x27;s Youtube channel. He&#x27;s a builder, but much of his content focuses on lowering the cost of HVAC by making sure your insulation is effective, and your building envelope is draft-free. He does cover equipment too, such as multi-zone systems.
EricE超过 4 年前
Timely video on a radiant system with hardwood: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=qWvoYMf5iC4" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=qWvoYMf5iC4</a><p>If I was going to retire in my house I might just consider something like that!
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eyeareque超过 4 年前
Something with dual zone control, and a nest thermostat for each area. Maybe two systems?<p>Something you should also do is make sure the place has really good insulation and windows&#x2F;doors.<p>Or you can spend a lot more money and do what the top comment says.
ip26超过 4 年前
Take a look at air source heat pumps, e.g. Mitsubishi. They are (probably) the future of HVAC. They also make it pretty easy to do a zoned system, e.g. separate control for different parts of the house.
etrautmann超过 4 年前
look into heat pumps! they&#x27;re basically magic :)
ww520超过 4 年前
Where are you located and what&#x27;s the usual temperature pattern throughout the year?
vellum超过 4 年前
David Heinemeier Hansson gave a great talk on air quality and touched upon various HVAC systems. One thing that really stuck out, was his claim that you need 80 CFM per person per room. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=MRqh8oLY7Ik" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=MRqh8oLY7Ik</a>
cottsak超过 4 年前
The new Tesla one :p