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Transmutations observed from pressure cycling palladium

80 点作者 ogcricket超过 4 年前

14 条评论

gus_massa超过 4 年前
The anomalous heating is very difficult to measure and it is not going to convince anyone.<p>The new elements they got, are much more interesting. The problem is that:<p>* Cooper and Zinc that are the parts of brass.<p>* Iron, Chrome and Manganese that are common in stainless steel.<p>So the most simple explanation is contamination from the surrounding vessel and plumbing.<p>It is also very strange that they didn&#x27;t get Cadmium and Indium that are the direct product of fusion of Palladium and Silver with Hydrogen, Deuterium and Helium. It is like if there was a fusion and then the new atom split into smaller atoms like all the ones I listed before. It is strange.
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flubert超过 4 年前
Detecting the presence of these transmuted elements should be much easier to replicate than trying to characterize &quot;excess&quot; heat, right? And the next step would be to try and find out what isotope of the transmuted elements was? Anyone know how much deuterium costs?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thenewfire.files.wordpress.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;10&#x2F;nasa_transmutations_palladium_silver_metals_with_deuterium_gas_2020.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thenewfire.files.wordpress.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;10&#x2F;nasa_transmut...</a>
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pjkundert超过 4 年前
Tests showing similar results were presented at the 2012 LENR conference, and probably before.<p>I really wish they hadn’t been discounted as erroneous without attempts to replicate by the larger scientific community. We’d be much farther along by now, in capturing this extremely interesting result!
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amluto超过 4 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sci-hub.st&#x2F;downloads&#x2F;2020-10-06&#x2F;8f&#x2F;10.1016@j.ijhydene.2020.08.287.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sci-hub.st&#x2F;downloads&#x2F;2020-10-06&#x2F;8f&#x2F;10.1016@j.ijhyden...</a>
msie超过 4 年前
The experiment took place over several months which increases the chances of contamination.
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jiggawatts超过 4 年前
I just read through the paper.<p>TL;DR: They compared the metallurgy of two different samples, which IMHO totally invalidates the result.<p>The setup revolves primarily around &quot;Johnson-Matthey purifiers&quot;, which are made by a manufacturer for <i>industrial</i> hydrogen gas purification. It isn&#x27;t designed to have calibrated or consistent metallurgy for this kind of scientific experiment.<p>They&#x27;re essentially a long Pd-Ag tube <i>sealed</i> in a stainless steel pressure vessel and also the tubes have supporting stainless steel springs <i>inside</i> them.<p>The experimenters had only two(!) of these filters, both sealed in the factory. They had to cut them open to access the Pd-Ag tubes inside for analysis.<p>A) This is a destructive test, so they had no way to run the experiment on one tube for longer and longer periods to demonstrate a steady increase in the contaminants.<p>B) They didn&#x27;t take a control measurement of either tube <i>before</i> commencing the experiment.<p>c) They have no reason to assume that the metal purity of the tubes is anywhere near consistent enough to compare two different tubes, which are likely to have been manufactured on different dates from different metal sources and hence would not be consistent enough for this kind of experiment.<p>D) Individual tubes could also have had point-to-point variations, which they claim is the <i>result</i>, not the <i>error!</i> That&#x27;s insane.<p>E) This is a long-running experiment (months) with many actions taken on the filters. Connections and disconnections of gas sources, high temperature cycling, flushing with various gases, etc... It&#x27;s entirely conceivable that a contaminant got into the tubes.<p>Essentially, the only scientific way to run an experiment like this is to manufacture a tube yourself, using either very high purity metals or a very well characterised and homogeneous alloy. Then you&#x27;d have to take samples at multiple points along the tube <i>and</i> at several different times during the experiment. You&#x27;d also want to make sure that the entire experiment is housed in a metal that is similarly well characterised. At least a dozen such setups would need to be run in parallel, using the exact same setup <i>except</i> for gases used.<p>They did none of this. They simply noticed a filter got hot, cut it open, and assumed that what they measured was an increase relative to a different unused filter they had lying around.<p>This is garbage science.
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beervirus超过 4 年前
I&#x27;m staring at a periodic table trying to make sense of how deuterium, silver, and&#x2F;or palladium might even conceivable be transmuted into zinc, copper, or iron. I&#x27;m not seeing anything plausible.<p>Probably just contamination.
torotonnato超过 4 年前
Old paper about excess Helium in D loaded Palladium - <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fusione.enea.it&#x2F;pubblications&#x2F;TR&#x2F;2002&#x2F;RT-2002-41-FUS.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fusione.enea.it&#x2F;pubblications&#x2F;TR&#x2F;2002&#x2F;RT-2002-41-...</a><p>I don&#x27;t understand why experts cannot accept the challenge. There is something happening that is unexpected (modulo some reproducibility issues)? Investigate, jeez
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ggm超过 4 年前
Hard not to be sceptical. We could indulge the &quot;but what if its true&quot; but the energy balance would be very unfavourable and, absent &quot;yes we have no neutrons&quot; (being the title of the cold fusion book of record), its not emitting energy in a way consistent with science as we understand it.
mensetmanusman超过 4 年前
Please be true! Cold fusion :)<p>Interesting trivia: AuPd alloys are used for coating insulating surfaces with ~10 nm thick layer to make the surface conductive with small metallic grains to do high resolution scanning electron microscopy.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ravescientific.com&#x2F;education&#x2F;37-proper-target-material-selection-when-coating-samples-using-an-sem-sputter-coater" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ravescientific.com&#x2F;education&#x2F;37-proper-target-materi...</a><p>This particular % is not typically used (60&#x2F;40 or 80&#x2F;20 is), but it is close.
im3w1l超过 4 年前
So one thing is was thinking about. The other day we saw a paper about room-temperature super conduction right? That field has a seen a long gradual progress.<p>But cold fusion &quot;field&quot; seems to be trying to go from nothing to everything in one step? Is there anyone who has been successful lowering the temperature required by even a single degree Celsius? And to make it even easier, let&#x27;s include fusion that does not produce net energy.
zaroth超过 4 年前
Last week we got cold superconduction. What would the trifecta be? EM drive working probably.<p>Maybe the universe is trying to balance out the cosmic 2020 scale.
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andrewflnr超过 4 年前
&quot;International Journey of Hydrogen Energy&quot;? Is this a real thing?
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AnimalMuppet超过 4 年前
So cold fusion was real after all? They&#x27;ve got both transmutation of elements and excess heat.
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