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AI’s “world in chains” scenario

72 点作者 thisistheend123超过 4 年前

12 条评论

roenxi超过 4 年前
I think there is an overwhelming preponderance of evidence that if the starting point is some society and it changes to be more free, the outcome is more wealth and comfort. I&#x27;d rather live in a free society.<p>That being said, the greatest improvement in the greatest number of people at the fastest rate is almost certainly a title held by the totalitarian government in China. Short-term but nevertheless evidence-based thinkers would struggle to see what the problem is with totalitarianism.<p>Also; reminder of my favourite thing-I-picked-up-from-a-bit-of-history, the other big advantage of democracies is they tend to be pretty reliable at winning wars. Voters are remarkably good at making armies work.
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candiodari超过 4 年前
The European country I live in has just changed to shared medical files. Which has 2 consequences:<p><pre><code> 1) patients no longer have any option at all to delete anything from their medical files. Corrections can be done, which sounds good until you realize what those are: short sentence or paragraph appended at the end of often 60+ page documents that practitioners have &lt;3 minutes to read. 2) they are by default accessible (and used) by any and all remotely medical personnel (including administrators and it&#x27;s been, for example, used for bill collection. Or, even more seriously, to forcibly admit people to psych wards, which in 2 cases led to the death of the patient) 3) they are by default accessible (and used) by police and the justice system and are used to convict people (you were the only one coming in with injuries right after someone died from a fight? Better have a good alibi ... and if you ever had any psychiatric treatment, even 50 years ago, it *will* be brought up by the public prosecutor every parking ticket you fight) </code></pre> I do not think AI or private enterprise, or some dark new form of government that&#x27;s about to conquer us is really the problem here.
everyone超过 4 年前
&#x27;worse than extinction&#x27; seems very myopic. If humans went extinct we have no idea how long it would take for another intelligent species to arise on earth, could be millions or billions of years, or never happen at all for all we know.<p>On the other hand there are no examples of any human regieme lasting for more than a couple 1000 years max.<p>Also a despotic regieme could still do good engineering and science and colonize other planets and whatnot, making it less likely we go extinct, also it would be likely to fragment into different societies at that point.
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RalfWausE超过 4 年前
I think it is highly unlikely that a totalitarian government could be stable over an unlimited amount of time if the majority of the population does not approve... even if we have an orwellian dystopia, at some point someone of the &quot;inner party&quot; will decide that he can overthrow the powers that be with the aid of the population and become the next &quot;great leader&quot;, which will lead to struggle, chaos, perhaps civil war and and eventually reset
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a_imho超过 4 年前
<i>It’s called the “world in chains” scenario, where, like the preceding thought experiment, a global totalitarian government uses a novel technology to lock a majority of the world into perpetual suffering.</i><p>Why would anyone do that? If the answer is profit how it is different from $smallpercent holding $bigpercent of all wealth, while the majority of the people must work until death to make them slightly richer?
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Animats超过 4 年前
All it takes is for China to go on doing what they&#x27;re doing about as well as they&#x27;re currently doing it. China is expanding their influence, with money and products rather than military force.<p>The main problem with authoritarian societies is that they have a single point of failure.
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giovagabriella超过 4 年前
&quot;...China is a primary competitor in the AI field. It has made massive investments in artificial intelligence technologies over the last five years, harnessing several &lt;smart cities&gt; in a military-civilian partnership to understand how AI can be propagated for everyday use.<p>On Wednesday, the news on the China&#x27;s ambition to become the global leader in AI and to prevail as a &lt;digital police state — unencumbered by privacy laws or ethical governing principles.&gt;...&quot;
hyko超过 4 年前
Oh, do tell me what it would be like to live my life from inside a system with no control over it.
mamon超过 4 年前
AI is not even required for &quot;world in chains&quot; scenario. All it takes is giving everyone a smartphone for tracking their location, social media account for tracking their thoughts, replacing cash with online banking (&quot;because cash is only used by drug dealers&quot;) and banning strong encryption so that we have no privacy. As you may have noticed we&#x27;re almost there.
baxter001超过 4 年前
I love how many of these AI horror thought experiments are so close to realizing the horrors of global capitalism but they&#x27;re too close to see it.
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agent008t超过 4 年前
Helios: You will go to Sector 4 and deactivate the uplink locks, yes. Then you will come back and we will integrate our systems.<p>JC Denton: I don&#x27;t understand... what do you want? You&#x27;re just a machine.<p>Helios: You are ready. I do not wish to wait for Bob Page. With human understanding and network access, we can administrate the world. Yes... yes...<p>JC Denton: Rule the world? Why? Who gave you the directive? There must be a human being behind your ambition.<p>Helios: I should regulate human affairs precisely because I lack all ambition, whereas human beings are prey to it. Their history is a succession of inane squabbles, each one coming closer to total destruction.<p>JC Denton: In a society with democratic institutions, the struggle for power can be peaceful and constructive; a competition of ideologies. We just need to put our institutions back in order.<p>Helios: The checks and balances of democratic governments were invented because human beings themselves realized how unfit they were to govern themselves. They needed a system, yes, an industrial-age machine.<p>JC Denton: Human beings may not be perfect, but a computer program with language synthesis is hardly the answer to the world&#x27;s problems.<p>Helios: Without computing machines, they had to arrange themselves in crude structures that formalized decision-making - a highly imperfect, unstable solution. I am a more advanced solution to the problem, a decision-making system that does not involve organic beings. I was directed to make the world safe and prosperous and I will do that. You will give the ability. You will go to Sector 4 and find the Aquinas Router at the east end of Page&#x27;s complex, yes. You will deactivate the uplink locks.<p>JC Denton: I&#x27;ll think about it.
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ETHisso2017超过 4 年前
TLDR: British state-funded media says letting China take the lead in AI technology might be worse than the extinction of the human race