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The curious case of Romanian broadband

103 点作者 rarefied_tomato超过 4 年前

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miahi超过 4 年前
What the article does not mention is that most of those networks are now gone. They started around 2000 as ad-hoc networks (a few friends that shared files through SMB and maybe an Internet connection) but around 2002 they evolved to be real businesses, with networks spanning tens of buildings and hundreds of apartments, sharing an expensive business link and even starting to do peering across networks. Most used copper cables across buildings, so they were quite often hit by lightning and network switches and cables had to be replaced (fiber was hard to install and maintain, as in some cases the physical security of the network equipment was low and media converters could be stolen).<p>Starting with 2005 the bigger&#x2F;&quot;normal&quot; ISPs started to buy these networks (the businesses that maintained them), and migrate the customers to a more standardized &#x2F; legal (and more expensive) network link.<p>Also, in the last years an underground fiber backbone was installed in Bucharest, and the fiber above ground started to migrate (not really willingly) to that. The problem is that there is no incentive to uninstall unused fiber from the poles (it&#x27;s not valuable as a second-hand object and hard to recycle) so that fiber just stays there, in many cases broken.
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hapless超过 4 年前
The final digs about Verizon Fios in Hell&#x27;s Kitchen are pretty fucking rich, if you ask me.<p>There&#x27;s no need for &quot;telephone poles.&quot; That is complete nonsense, not least because Verizon has the <i>monopoly</i> on underground conduit in Manhattan. They literally own the Empire City Subway, the ostensibly vendor-neutral central conduit system that runs under every single street in Hell&#x27;s Kitchen.<p>For some &quot;mysterious&quot; reason, no one other than Verizon can ever get conduit space in the ECS. Gee I wonder why that is. At the same time, Verizon has no interest in using that space for fiber -- they&#x27;d rather leave hundred year old dead copper lines sit than admit competitors OR upgrade their own infrastructure<p>Fios isn&#x27;t failing to deploy to his building because it&#x27;s hard to negotiate with landlords -- they are failing to deploy because they do not believe the city will enforce the terms of their franchise. It&#x27;s more profitable to wire a few high-density buildings, and leave everyone else to rot, assuming the city never fines them. (That looks like a safe assumption from where I am sitting.)<p>Verizon has ample <i>capability</i> and they <i>choose</i> not to live up to their obligations.
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jbirer超过 4 年前
As a Romanian person I am baffled hearing the speed and data cap woes of American people. I always saw America as superior and something to aspire to as a kid. What your ISPs are doing is pure robbery and I am surprised there&#x27;s not more backlash about this.
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moltar超过 4 年前
This was pretty much the case across Eastern Europe.<p>In Kiev, I ordered an internet connection and to my surprise I was told that it was all done and ready to go without any visits to my apartment. I was surprised.<p>The wall outlet was an Ethernet port. No TV cable. No phone line. Direct RJ45.<p>Later I learned that everything is in the central wiring closet somewhere in the building. And many buildings are just connected roof to roof with cables.<p>I had 100&#x2F;100 mbit connection, with unlimited data, for $15 USD&#x2F;mo. Don’t remember having any issues. That was 5 years ago.<p>Back in the early days buildings often had their own LAN for sharing warez and gaming. Sometimes adjacent buildings were connected for extended network.
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WarOnPrivacy超过 4 年前
It&#x27;s awesome what happens in the absence of laws written by ISP lobbyists &amp; passed by their purchased legislators.
NuDinNou超过 4 年前
The good an cheap internet is one reason that makes romanians proud. You can get 940 Mbps down, 450 Mbps up for about $9&#x2F;month (included in the price is also 50 GB cloud storage in their Google Drive type of service) [0]<p>For internet on your smartphone you have an option of ~ 2$&#x2F;month for 50 GB, 4G speeds [1] You can check the coverage here [2]<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.digiromania.ro&#x2F;servicii&#x2F;internet&#x2F;internet-fix&#x2F;fiberlink-1000" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.digiromania.ro&#x2F;servicii&#x2F;internet&#x2F;internet-fix&#x2F;fi...</a><p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.digiromania.ro&#x2F;servicii&#x2F;telefonie-mobila&#x2F;optim&#x2F;digi-mobil-optim-2" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.digiromania.ro&#x2F;servicii&#x2F;telefonie-mobila&#x2F;optim&#x2F;d...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;aisemnal.ro&#x2F;home" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;aisemnal.ro&#x2F;home</a>
bserge超过 4 年前
A similarly curious case is Moldova, Romania&#x27;s neighbour.<p>I grew up there, I remember dial up and wasting a lot of my mother&#x27;s money on it. Then the state run ISP rolled out ADSL and it got way better. In the span of 2-3 years, I went from 64&#x2F;64 kbit&#x2F;s to 6&#x2F;1 Mbps.<p>In another year, it was 24&#x2F;1 Mbps, and yet another year or so they started rolling out fiber, with free upgrades for everyone as long as you renewed the contract. 30&#x2F;30 Mbps, then 100&#x2F;100 Mbps, now you can get 1000&#x2F;1000 for $20 or 300&#x2F;300 Mbps for $10. Upgrading to a higher speed is still free afaik, but your contract gets renewed for 3 years.<p>Interestingly, it used to be possible to get multiple connections at the same house (like, literally, multiple fiber cables). Not sure if that&#x27;s still possible and what the limit was per individual&#x2F;house, but I always wondered if one could get something ridiculous like 4000&#x2F;4000 Mbps aggregate speed.<p>And yes, the upload speeds are true, although their own routers won&#x27;t reach them.<p>But good news, you can use any router with an SFP transceiver.<p>I am not aware of anything like the private networks created in Romania by individuals. There are a few other ISPs that started early, and technically competed with Moldtelecom (the state run ISP) with their own cables, but they did not operate outside the capital for a very long time. Moldtelecom had a monopoly.<p>There used to be a lot of Internet cafes that everyone would use for LAN gaming and Internet browsing, it was fun.<p>This might be the best thing the government has done in the country since independence, I don&#x27;t know what motivations they had, they didn&#x27;t seem to be lobbied by anyone since there were no Internet startups with significant influence. They just sort of... did it.<p>If anyone knows more about the history of Internet in the Republic of Moldova, please comment.<p>Now there&#x27;s talks of selling Moldtelecom to Huawei, which might be a bad idea. They already use Huawei equipment, just not sure what they would do if they buy the whole company.
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londons_explore超过 4 年前
There are 2 key things you can do to reduce regulatory burden:<p>* Have a time limit for responding to licensing requests. Eg. 14 days. If the government can&#x27;t accept or reject a request in that time period, it is auto accepted. If it is rejected, a resubmitted request must be accepted if it addresses the rejection reason.<p>* Allow a business to operate for 30 days before, during, and after submitting a license request, and with no penalty if &#x27;in good faith&#x27; they believed it was reasonably likely their request would be accepted.
mothsonasloth超过 4 年前
Here&#x27;s a related documentary about Havana&#x27;s pirate LAN networks by Clothmap<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;lEplzHraw3c" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;lEplzHraw3c</a>
womitt超过 4 年前
In Budapest our company has 1000&#x2F;1000 link for ~$500, and it&#x27;s fckn awesome ;)