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Never say “no,” but rarely say “yes.”

295 点作者 SRSimko大约 14 年前

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luckyisgood大约 14 年前
I remember the first time I discovered this principle. There was a web project I really didn't feel like doing. A big demanding client wanted a project done in a very short amount of time. I quoted at 3x our price, and it was immediately accepted by the client. The project was successful and we did a great job.<p>It made me realize one important, no, crucial! thing: If you're mad at your client for any reason, <i></i>it only means you're not charging him enough<i></i>. It's very hard to be mad at a client who's paying you a ridiculous amount of money for something you're fabulous at.
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patio11大约 14 年前
Something which is easy to say but non-trivial to execute on (I <i>know</i> I have to get better at this and it has quite recently cost me thousands of dollars): do not negotiate against yourself. You'd be surprised -- I've been surprised -- at how high clients can go when they're sufficiently motivated to solve a problem. Their conception of money is totally different than your's or mine. Don't sell yourself short by e.g. assuming that there is a "fair" price which you can't go above. (Mutual agreement makes any price fair.)
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boredguy8大约 14 年前
One note: if you're charging enough to cover a hire, make sure you have someone in mind willing to take the position. Otherwise you'll easily end up hiring someone you don't really want in order to cover a commitment you made.
btilly大约 14 年前
One piece of advice that I've seen people learn painfully.<p>If you're going to name a high price to do what you don't want, make sure that the price is truly high enough for the grief you'll suffer. Don't just name something that is high enough that you think they won't take it, because they just might.
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alextp大约 14 年前
This is a great strategy. It also trivially extends to show that there is no such thing as "too many customers, need to hire out", as you can always increase the price.<p>The one problem is that this doesn't transfer easily to things that are likely to be undoable no matter the resources (i.e., "I want 100% uptime on my blog", or "the project needs to get done in a month, and a saw a guy on the internet claiming he could do it in a weekend", etc).
pg大约 14 年前
Also the motto of unscrupulous VCs.
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mcantor大约 14 年前
Is there any way to apply this to a full-time salaried job where you can't change your "price", but are still asked to evaluate commitments of various sizes over the course of your position?
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Travis大约 14 年前
The graph of the two different revenue streams is interesting (taking the job for a lower cost gets you more jobs, but higher cost gets you more per job). At some point, I bet you can find an equilibrium where gross revenue is the same with the higher cost jobs.<p>In addition, if you price yourself so that your schedule isn't booked, you'll be more open to new clients, which gives you a better opportunity to find even higher priced clients.<p>Seems like as a freelancer, at least, your best long term strategy is to price yourself out of a decent amount of work.
abalashov大约 14 年前
On a related note, though orthogonal note, never assume anything overly logical about the customer's math. A lot of pricing issues come down to something psychological or presentation-related, rather than objective and quantitative.<p>I long ago noticed--as many consultants know--that there is only so high that hourly rates can go for an individual or a very small company, and it's not really that high. Beyond that, people start googling their eyes, making incredulous expressions and hyperventilating. They have a certain metric in their head of how much a glorified typist like yourself should be making, and if you exceed that metric, they start comparing your contract rate to (1) their own salary (which is obviously fallacious, since they are not contractors) or (2) other contract rates they've been exposed to lately, like when they tried to offshore the project they are now trying to get you to rescue after it flamed out spectacularly (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recency_effect#Recency_effect" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recency_effect#Recency_effect</a>), and (3) the billing rates of their attorneys and accountants.<p>"Obviously," in their mind, you can't be charging as much as attorneys and accountants. You're in a different sociological category from people whose very profession has always been defined by high costs and high-rolling swagger in popular imagination; you're just some kind of computer guy. And if you're charging 8x what the folks in Bangladesh quoted for a team of 10, are you really worth it? And $250/hr? Good heavens, that's almost 8x the ~$34/hr I make on my $70k salary as the lead IT guy! Who do you think you are?<p>The point is, once the impressive-sounding hourly rate has grabbed people by their egos, you aren't going to be able to re-center them and capture pricing based on value. You've lost to the dark side of dick size contests and pissing matches, and as often as not, you're up against some relatively pedestrian actor who is determined to put you in your place, not a key fiduciary stakeholder and/or decision-maker. There's really no way to recover from that nosedive.<p>So, in practical terms, you can't really get beyond $100-$200/hr rates in the small to medium contract IT and software development services sector without crossing a number of irrational psychological barriers. Obviously, this doesn't apply to the enterprise segment, and doesn't apply to any company that has successfully fostered the expectation of either elite expertise or high overhead--ideally both. If you're Accenture or IBM, you definitely don't have to worry about this, but if you're part of a well-known ninja specialist squad, you probably don't either.<p>Notwithstanding outliers, I was very surprised to discover that quoting a flat price has a good way of keeping the customer centered on the value they stand to gain and away from judging your swashbuckling billing. There are some ostensible reasons for this: it soothes the feelings of customers burned by open-ended enterprise-style darken-the-skies-with-people hourly billing, and demonstratively puts the risk the consultant. But it also gives them a fairly opaque number to work with instead of sizing up whether you're "the kind of person that ought to be charging that." Most importantly, and most relevantly, it completely disrupts their mathematical circuitry; it is amazing how many times I've run into customers that get in a tizzy when you quote them "10 hours at $250/hr" but happily sign on the dotted line when you tell them it's going to be $2500 flat and be done in two days. Even weirder, they'll still sign even if you _tell_ them it's "about 10 hours of implementation time." I don't think it's because they can't do division in their head; I think when the conversation starts out with a fixed-price premise, that computation just gets routed to a different psycho-social/emotional bucket. This is dissonant to the basic governing intuition of the hacker brain, but that's often how it goes.<p>So, I don't quote projects in hours anymore. I usually provide some idea of estimated implementation time so they can do the division themselves, being ethically reluctant about a price-support scheme that is reliant solely on opacity of cost basis and/or what the implementation actually involves, but it doesn't seem to matter. The results are undeniably and resoundingly positive. Something about human nature... I don't know what it is.<p>All this to say: If you're feeling shaky on quoting something "insane" in hourly terms, quote it as a fixed-price project. You might be surprised by the disparity in outcomes.
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espinchi大约 14 年前
It reminds me of the saying "Everyone has their price".<p>I do like this principle, and I already identified several occasions in the past where we said "No" when we should've said "Yes: the price will be X", being X an amount that would certainly have been bigger than we initially thought.
RBr大约 14 年前
Similarly, one of the most important words I was taught never to use was "guarantee".
jodrellblank大约 14 年前
Does this imply a heuristic such as:<p>"To earn more money, I should look for jobs that I can do, but don't like doing so much that I will charge a lot more than my normal rate, then quote for a lot of those jobs"?
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xbryanx大约 14 年前
I've had this very same strategy for a while, but never really noticed I was doing it. Thanks for putting a name to something I should reinforce in my practice!
jlees大约 14 年前
Love the summary. A qualified yes such that if they agree, you're happy, and if they decline, you're still happy.
suarezkop大约 14 年前
Always been a fan of long term strategy over short term benefits. Completely agree with your views.