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Don't Use VPN Services (2016)

66 点作者 IA21超过 4 年前

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0-_-0超过 4 年前
Some VPN provider&#x27;s claims were verified in court and thus it&#x27;s known they don&#x27;t keep logs, so the article&#x27;s claims just fall apart:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.techspot.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;82259-keeping-private-5-vpns-have-verified-keep-no.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.techspot.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;82259-keeping-private-5-vpns-h...</a><p>Edit: Many coutries have mandatory data retention policies [1], so if you&#x27;re from one of those countries it&#x27;s virtually guaranteed that your internet usage logs for the last months&#x2F;years are logged somewhere. On the otherhand, a VPN provider has a strong financial incentive to not log your data (because their repuatation has a high financial value) and in some cases it can be known that (at least at some point in the past) they weren&#x27;t logging, so there is a very high probability that they are not logging now.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Data_retention" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Data_retention</a>
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niwork超过 4 年前
My main reason for using a proxy is to prevent my government from tracking and logging all my internet activity (when you look at the huge list of agencies the UK government has allowed access to that information you can see why).<p>I skimmed through this article but I don&#x27;t think it addressed this use case. Sure, my VPN could be tracking me, but I have much more trust in Mozilla than I do any other internety company. This article seems to be arguing that because perfect browsing privacy isn&#x27;t possible that you might as well not bother with any.
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qertoip超过 4 年前
This article has been debunked multiple times. It misses the point entirely.<p>Use VPN to change your local ISP to foreign ISP. The foreign ISP is better precisely because it is foreign. The direction doesn&#x27;t matter.<p>Ideally pick across poorly cooperating jurisdictions.
draugadrotten超过 4 年前
Using a VPN also raises the actual cost of the adversary. For a simple example, considering something like a movie download - doing it from the home IP means a form letter information request from a lawyer to the ISP. Doing it through a VPN means an international request for legal support is required to get the name behind the IP. Costly and time-consuming and perhaps even impossible depending on jurisdiction. (USA won&#x27;t honor an information request from Iran,etc)
Ekaros超过 4 年前
Only reason for VPN I see is circumventing geo-fencing. And even then you need to remember that it can put your account at risk. For subscription services this might be insignificant, but for likes of gamestores it might prevent you from making future purchases at some point.
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Cantbekhan超过 4 年前
There are a few VPN services (about 3) that are recommended by both privacytools.io (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.privacytools.io&#x2F;providers&#x2F;vpn&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.privacytools.io&#x2F;providers&#x2F;vpn&#x2F;</a>) and the freedom of the press foundation (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;freedom.press&#x2F;training&#x2F;choosing-a-vpn&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;freedom.press&#x2F;training&#x2F;choosing-a-vpn&#x2F;</a>).<p>Some accept anonymous cash payments like mullvad and do not require any information.<p>Everyone here probably knows VPNs are not an all-in solution for privacy nor security but they&#x27;re certainly a good added layer to add and most likely have better privacy standards than most ISPs.<p>A person more concerned about privacy should just add one or more layers above&#x2F;below the VPN ... like ISP &gt; VPN &gt; Tor for instance at the price of substantially lower performance ...<p>Or you could do the opposite with a cash accepting VPN such as Mullvad ... and only connect to them using ISP &gt; Tor &gt; VPN which would also provide a decent layer that would avoid the massive &quot;maicious high risk flagging&quot; of Tor Exit nodes everywhere while preventing the VPN provider from knowing your IP. You certainly have to hit less captchas with VPNs than with Tor ...<p>There are also quite a few VPN&#x2F;VPS providers accepting Monero that can be used and paid for &quot;anonymously&quot; for adding more layers.<p>If you live in a large city with a decent view on places offering free legal public wifi, you could also buy a long range Wifi Directionnal Antenna and USB Wifi adapter to add such layer while remaining at home and avoid having to move to such places. Mac address randomization is trivial and integrated in most OSes now. Again it&#x27;s not perfect but it&#x27;s an added &quot;convenient&quot; layer not requiring physical moving.
imtringued超过 4 年前
I think it is pretty funny that his suggestion is that you should setup your own VPN. Your hosting provider knows your real identity and is going to shut you down very quickly if something happens and is far more likely to yield to legal pressure because they don&#x27;t earn money from privacy. Meanwhile for a VPN provider it would at least make sense to invest into a legal team that at least throws empty threats into the recycling bin instead of &quot;selling you out&quot; as soon as there is even a hint that you are a problematic customer.
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goldcd超过 4 年前
In defence of the big VPN providers.<p>1) Why would you keep logs, when you could then be compelled to hand them over?<p>2) As setting up a VPN company is easy&#x2F;cheap, you conversely have to spend a large pile of cash to advertize your way to the top. The only asset you really end up with is your name&#x2F;reputation. Publicly burning a customer would be incredibly expensive.<p><i>Adjusts tinfoil hat</i> I think the point about VPN providers acting as a honey-pot might have some legs though. Seems incredible to think that whilst NSA and the rest are determined to detect illegal activity online, VPN providers seemingly thrive without any interference&#x2F;intrusion. My view is that as long as you&#x27;re not doing anything too bad, you&#x27;re safe as the cost of your exposure isn&#x27;t worth it.<p>Of course if the government was having trouble infiltrating&#x2F;extracting information from the big VPNs due to the volume of traffic, pushing the &#x27;people who <i>really</i> want privacy&#x27; to self-identify even further, by creating their own service makes sense. All the traffic emerging from it (even if encrypted, you know where it&#x27;s going) can be tied back to the single user.
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CyberRage超过 4 年前
There are definitely lots of miss-conceptions about VPNs and some ridiculous claims by VPN providers for things like security or malware protection.<p>Still VPNs can be useful to access content\networks that otherwise you can&#x27;t.<p>As for privacy, it comes down to trust. You mentioned HideMyAss but other services have good track record, far better than most ISPs that publicly state they share information with 3rd parties.
dang超过 4 年前
If curious see also<p>2019 <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=21326484" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=21326484</a><p>2018 <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=16371030" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=16371030</a>
_ph_超过 4 年前
The article raises a few very good concerns about using VPN services, however, the headline is completely misguided. There are valid reasons to use VPN, some even mentioned in the article. One just should not consider is a silver bullet which magically protects you in all aspects. And it is good to warn about non-obvious weaknesses of the concept, especially as most readers are not security experts.<p>It is however important to tell users, where using a VPN can greatly enhance safety. It does protect your traffic up to the VPN provider. This protects from unsafe local networks and also from any state actor in the country you are in. It doesn&#x27;t protect from state actors in the country where the VPN exit point is, but depending on which states both are in, can make quite a difference.
StevenWaterman超过 4 年前
I haven&#x27;t seen any discussion of this, so I assume I&#x27;m wrong.<p>Can&#x27;t you solve a lot of these problems by chaining VPN providers? It would only take one running securely and not keeping logs to make it impossible to trace the connection from the destination to you.
kordlessagain超过 4 年前
Run it on Google yourself: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gist.github.com&#x2F;kordless&#x2F;de9854c9334f00f4176fac8c0ca67d0e" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gist.github.com&#x2F;kordless&#x2F;de9854c9334f00f4176fac8c0ca...</a>
KingOfCoders超过 4 年前
I guess the point is do you trust your hotel more than your VPN provider or not.
mark_l_watson超过 4 年前
I subscribed to ProtonVPN for more privacy and security when I travel and have to use hotel WiFi. I trust them. In general I don’t agree with the article.
salex89超过 4 年前
I can&#x27;t seem to find a reliable source, would AWS or Azure penalise you for using a VPN for torrenting? I&#x27;ve heard about accounts being terminated because of hosted seedboxes on VMs, but I&#x27;m not sure what would happen with a VPN + Torrent combination.
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bananaface超过 4 年前
Unless you explicitly <i>need</i> speed, or they&#x27;re your only option, why do people use VPNs for privacy over Tor? Do they provide any benefits other than being faster? I thought Tor was a much more secure option if privacy in particular is your objective.
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baq超过 4 年前
&gt; You are on a known-hostile network (eg. a public airport WiFi access point, or an ISP that is known to use MITM), and you want to work around that.<p>what if your ISP is a known-hostile network?
golergka超过 4 年前
This is a pretty printing article that completely misses one of the main reasons to use VPN: browsing resources blocked in your country. I use VPN to open LinkedIn and watch West wing on Netflix, and I couldn&#x27;t care less about who gets to know about it.
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luckylion超过 4 年前
&gt; Because a VPN in this sense is just a glorified proxy. The VPN provider can see all your traffic, and do with it what they want - including logging.<p>Wow, I didn&#x27;t know VPN providers have broken SSL and can read all that traffic.<p>This was on the frontpage before. Are people just upvoting it for the clickbait headline without reading the points that are being made?
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