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Dear Facebook: Withdraw Your Cease and Desist to NYU

127 点作者 joeyespo超过 4 年前

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freeopinion超过 4 年前
&gt; Ad Observer only collects information about the ads people see, not personal posts or users’ personal information.<p>This statement seems to be contradicted within the article itself.<p>For instance, Mozilla claims the tool is used by a newsroom in Utah, linking to an article titled &quot;ksl-investigates-who-is-behind-the-millions-in-facebook-political-ads-targeting-utah.&quot; So presumably the tool identifies the location of the target.<p>The article also claims that the tool proves that Facebook is still selling discriminatory ads. Does this mean that the tool knows things like race, gender, religion, etc. about the user?<p>If a user has willingly shared such information with the tool, I don&#x27;t see a problem. I&#x27;m not sure how Facebook would even have any standing in a legal case. But the article does seem to contradict itself about user privacy.
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nickff超过 4 年前
This may be addressed to Facebook, but it&#x27;s clearly written for a different audience. Accusing Facebook of impure motives and outright deception may feel good for Mozilla&#x27;s staff, but it won&#x27;t convince Facebook to change their stance. And let&#x27;s not forget, Facebook is trying to draw a clear line against data exfiltration, to prevent another Cambridge Analytica disaster.<p>I really think this is just more posturing by Mozilla.
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fxtentacle超过 4 年前
I&#x27;m surprised that people keep setting up this kind of projects in the US, where US companies enjoy strong legal protection.<p>How about hosting it in Russia? You can be pretty much sure that the legal system will protect you as much as possible, if nothing else then purely to rain on Facebook&#x27;s parade.<p>And for the data it doesn&#x27;t really matter where you store it, as long as you can convince US users to install your collection utility.<p>In fact, now that I think about it, I would be more surprised if other countries did not have data sets on the US election and its ads.
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dang超过 4 年前
Recent related threads:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=24909056" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=24909056</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=24874602" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=24874602</a>
tqi超过 4 年前
A lot of comments I&#x27;ve seen draw the line between NYU&#x27;s extension and Cambridge Analytica because the latter was using a native platform. But that feels like a distinction without a difference, if the net effect is still that &quot;something I shared with my friend ended up in a third party&#x27;s possession&quot;. Ultimately, if something has been shared with me, should I be able to save it or reshare it with others? The mechanism by which that save or reshare happens feels like an implementation detail.<p>Fundamentally speaking, who has what rights to shared data (like contact info or posts) feels like an unresolved question that has important implications.
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dchi超过 4 年前
AKA Cambridge Analytica, but for the good guys.
fuddle超过 4 年前
This data should really be in the public domain without the need for a browser plugin.
eznzt超过 4 年前
Dear Mozilla: Spend Your Money on Firefox Exclusively
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1vuio0pswjnm7超过 4 年前
&quot;Facebook claims its motive for threatening Ad Observer is that browser plugins and extensions, like Ad Observer, could violate Facebook users&#x27; privacy.&quot;<p>Yes, but so can Facebook itself. And it has, many times. Facebook lacks credibility here. It is possible this research may even uncover further violations of users&#x27; privacy as it may reveal levels of targeting not believed possible based on the types of user data Facebook admits to having.<p>Can Facebook effectively block users from saving and sharing the ads that are forced upon them by Facebook and its advertisers?<p>Facebook would have to control what users choose to save from their browsers&#x27; caches and what they choose to do with that material, e.g., sharing it with researchers.<p>The legality of &quot;scraping&quot;, fair use for research purposes and the general unenforceability of website TOS all stack in NYU&#x27;s favour.<p>Laura Edelson, a researcher at NYU&#x27;s Tandon School of Engineering who helps oversee the Ad Observatory project, said, &quot;The only thing that would prompt us to stop doing this would be if Facebook would do it themselves, which we have called on them to do.&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wsj.com&#x2F;amp&#x2F;articles&#x2F;facebook-seeks-shutdown-of-nyu-research-project-into-political-ad-targeting-11603488533" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wsj.com&#x2F;amp&#x2F;articles&#x2F;facebook-seeks-shutdown-of-...</a>
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