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Gray Wolves to Be Removed from Endangered Species List

109 点作者 tima101超过 4 年前

12 条评论

Ericson2314超过 4 年前
Yeah this is a bit premature. I dunno why we don&#x27;t just pay the ranchers for livestock killed (it&#x27;s pretty rare) and everyone goes home happy?<p>Apex predator reintroduction is a good litmus test for how much conservation we can stomach, so I think it&#x27;s important that we get this right.
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snowwrestler超过 4 年前
It&#x27;s arguable that, based on continuously declining trends in wild species, wild areas, and biodiversity, we should reverse our 19th-century policy default and apply blanket protection to all wild species. If we find compelling reasons they should be culled or impacted, then that can be done with specific regulation or legislation.<p>We&#x27;ve gone so far down in wild species and areas, and these are things that we absolutely cannot get back when they are gone.
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alleycat5000超过 4 年前
Here in Colorado, we have a ballot measure on reintroducing them in the state:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ballotpedia.org&#x2F;Colorado_Proposition_114,_Gray_Wolf_Reintroduction_Initiative_(2020)" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ballotpedia.org&#x2F;Colorado_Proposition_114,_Gray_Wolf_...</a>
yupyup54133超过 4 年前
Here in Wisconsin the wolf argument is a wealthy vs poor issue. Specifically, it is mostly the southern wealthy urbanites and suburbanites dictating to the poorer northern half of the state that they must put up with the re-introduction of wolves.<p>It would be much less of an issue if the wolves were also introduced into the county forests and state parks in the southern half of the state where the wealthy urbanites and suburbanites live. However, the southern Wisconsinites like the idea of having a wolf population but do not want to actually have to deal with the risks and hardships that come with them.
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Grakel超过 4 年前
Hope they continue to do well, and are added to a limited hunting season in my state, creating a balanced population and a new game animal.
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polytely超过 4 年前
For a really cool explainer about the human-wolf relationship in North America I highly recommend this video from The Brain Scoop, the YouTube channel of The Field Museum in Chicago.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=oA-QINoEEwQ" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=oA-QINoEEwQ</a><p>As detailed in the video, the endangered species act is built upon the idea that there is a clear line between species, but in the case of grey wolves there are a lot of coyote-wolf hybrids out there, which aren&#x27;t well studied because the funding is mainly available for &#x27;The grey wolf&#x27;. Nature is fuzzy while the law is less so.
kbutler超过 4 年前
Criteria for listing a species as endangered: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fws.gov&#x2F;endangered&#x2F;esa-library&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;listing.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fws.gov&#x2F;endangered&#x2F;esa-library&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;listing.pdf</a><p>What are the criteria for deciding whether to add a species to the list?<p><pre><code> A `species is added to the list when it</code></pre> is determined to be an endangered or threatened species because of any of the following factors:<p>* the present or threatened destruction, modification, or curtailment of its habitat or range;<p>* overutilization for commercial, recreational, scientific, or educational purposes;<p>* disease or predation; * the inadequacy of existing regulatory mechanisms; * other natural or manmade factors affecting its survival.<p>Sounds like gray wolves no longer meet the criteria. In particular, states that lack sufficient current wolf populations can protect them within the state (California and the northeast come to mind).<p>Personal bias: I&#x27;m glad they are part of the ecosystem. I&#x27;d like to see one sometime, but probably more comfortable while I&#x27;m in a car rather than a tent&#x2F;hiking, though I understand they are still pretty wary of humans. I do miss seeing the Yellowstone elk herds that have become much more timid since the reintroduction.
troutbum超过 4 年前
There is a large population of wolves where I live, in Idaho. Wolves are a controversial subject amongst hunters, who believe that they are a reason for the decline in big game (elk&#x2F;deer) in the state, especially in remote locations.<p>To assist in the management of the gray wolf population in the state, the IDFG allows any hunter with a wolf tag to harvest, by both hunting and trapping, 15 wolves per year.
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linguistbreaker超过 4 年前
I&#x27;ve never understood why ranchers get so much clout in the US.
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heelix超过 4 年前
Getting close to Deer season. I hunt in northern Minnesota, and have really seen the wolf population take off. Watched a big one walk under my stand a couple years back. The coyote population is gone and you can hear the howls all around you as they feed on the gut piles. Nice to see them make a come back. Seen them up in the BWCA area too - they are making a come back.
arminiusreturns超过 4 年前
Copying from an old comment of mine:<p>&quot;As someone who grew up in a wolf reintro zone I have a few comments and opinions to help others have more productive conversations.<p>First, not all wolf reintro&#x27;s are the same. Each ecosystem is different and the scientific justifications need to be done for each, and the papers for one do not necessarily apply to the other. The Yellowstone program may have been a success, but other places are not Yellowstone, and it is a mistake to use it as a way to handwave away criticisms. Also, sometimes the justifications are pretty weak, and could easily be made up with by increase in hunting tags or adjustment of hunting time windows and area restrictions.<p>Second, there are jurisdictional and public control issues at the heart of the matter. There are people who actually have to live in these areas and they are major changes. I strongly dislike the attitude of some that locals should have no say. The people in our area voted against the reintro program and it was done anyway, with the governor saying &quot;I don&#x27;t care what the people want, the reintro program is happening&quot;. That is a problem. I have also seen the effects of fresh Forest Department&#x2F;BLM phd types ignore the locals wisdom and advice and pay the price for it, and the same &quot;We know better than you back country bumpkin&quot; condescension tends to be at play in the reintro programs. These things have real consequences. For example, as a kid my grampa who was a logger in the area in the 70&#x27;s and many other loggers were saying the Forest Service needed to let the loggers thin the forests out and to do more control burns. I being young thought the old loggers were just old-fashioned and the PhD&#x27;s knew what they were doing, until reality happened. The holier than though attitude of the credentialed people prevailed, then the pine beetle infestation hit, and within a decade we had two ~500,000 acre forest fires that the forests are still recovering from.<p>Third, there are often claims that wolves never attack humans, and those claims are blatantly false or are using very carefully selected statistics (North America only, etc) to craft a narrative. Beyond that, it vastly changes the safety profile of being in the forests, in a way that discourages people from experiencing it. Many locals from my area have posited that this is an intentional side-effect. Even more so when the rumors of a grizzly reintro program started floating around (I don&#x27;t know if these are just rumors, but who can blame the locals for being afraid of an unelected unaccountable bureaucracy who already ignores them from doing something else against their wishes). We used to be able to only have to worry about bears or mountain lions, who both have pretty easily avoided confrontational profiles, but now locals don&#x27;t go anywhere without being armed.<p>Fourth, the dismissal of the cattle ranchers is far overrated. Cattle ranching, especially in this day in age, is a science in itself, and in the forest is a vital part of forest maintenance. Silviopasture&#x2F;agroforestry is also often studied by the kids of the old ranchers who then come back and apply that knowledge. Thoughts of the ranchers as dumb hicks is a foolish and insulting stereotype. Not only that, but often the forest service and BLM are underfunded and undermanned, and many of the ranchers who are paying public land leases do a good job assisting in maintaining the forest, and unlike the new kid who just got shipped in from across the country after getting a degree, they live there and have passed down local knowledge for decades if not longer.<p>I know it&#x27;s easy to see something like a wolf reintro program and assume it&#x27;s a great thing and just jump on the bandwagon, but maybe a perspective from someone who grew up in one and have heard out the locals on the issues might help color your view on the topic a bit.<p>Otherwise you just end up with a bunch of locals that around the campfire say &quot;It&#x27;s all about the three S&#x27;s... shoot, shovel, and shhhhh&quot;.&quot;
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WhompingWindows超过 4 年前
From NPR: &quot;After more than 45 years as a listed species, the gray wolf has exceeded all conservation goals for recovery,&quot; said Interior Secretary David Bernhardt<p>And who is this Secretary judging biological metrics? A former coal and oil industry lobbyist and lawyer, no biological training.<p>He was on the board at CESAR, which is a purportedly &quot;scientific&quot; organization that takes huge donations from fossil fuel and conservative interests. CESAR is known to have funded climate denialism, and they seem to be intent on filing lawsuits against environmental causes.<p>Why is it that conservatives are so motivated to not conserve the nature they see around them?
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