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The Gods on Hacker News

348 点作者 ivm超过 4 年前

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grawprog超过 4 年前
Personally, i&#x27;ve always had the opposite thought to all this. Where else can I as one of the non-gods of HN, go to argue with millionaires and billionaires, discuss things with them and be treated the same as them in conversation just based on the things I say?<p>HN&#x27;s always seemed like a fairly equalizing place to me. As long as you can form a constructive, useful comment, your post will sit right next to people who make insane amounts of money, and be regarded equally based on its own merits.<p>There&#x27;s no way in hell many of the people I&#x27;ve talked to on here about a bunch of different things would ever have those conversations with me, or any conversation probably, in person.
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throwaway713超过 4 年前
Bragging about salaries is always annoying; however, it was one of those braggy comments that led me to reconsider my own job so that I ended up working for a FANG company. I had previously just used Glassdoor to check salaries and did not realize it was not giving an accurate picture of the total, more recent compensation offered at these companies. When I realized how much lower my income was compared to what was possible, it motivated me to start practicing and interviewing. I would have never known if it weren&#x27;t for those posts.
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kenforthewin超过 4 年前
After starting to read HN regularly I noticed most of these types of comments are just posturing. Like any forum, the loudest people tend to be the ones that desire&#x2F;require the most validation from their peers.
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opportune超过 4 年前
This is ridiculous, there are hundreds of thousands of engineers making these large sums of money and it’s not an exclusive crowd. The amount of work it takes to get a midlevel FAANG or similar job is a lot less than to start a business. I honestly think people think it’s “otherworldly” or similarly impossible for themselves because they don’t have the confidence to try, or have some extenuating restriction that makes it feel unattainable.<p>Of course the author is right that a $3.7m exit is non-trivial and that $1k MRR is not a bad place to start but it’s crazy to call people making larger amounts of money as employees “gods” and likely a disservice to oneself to use that kind of language to make them seem like some far away, impossible to reach or understand group.
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jeremysalwen超过 4 年前
I think a lot of posters assume that their audience lives in the US, and more specifically in a high cost of living coastal city like SF or NYC.<p>What &quot;a lot&quot; of money is varies dramatically based on where you live. Take a look at how much it costs to [rent a room](<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sfbay.craigslist.org&#x2F;d&#x2F;rooms-shares&#x2F;search&#x2F;roo" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sfbay.craigslist.org&#x2F;d&#x2F;rooms-shares&#x2F;search&#x2F;roo</a>) in San Francisco, the cheapest possible housing option for an individual without a family. If you are working full time on a business that has 1k monthly revenue, your income will be less than 1&#x2F;3 of minimum wage.<p>On the other hand, in many places in the world as OP pointed out, 1k a month would be enough to live a comfortable lifestyle.
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ravedave5超过 4 年前
I am involved in developer hiring process and I see soooo many resumes with failed startups and failed side projects. Achieving any level of decent, persistent MRR and the ability to actually cash out is impressive and a major accomplishment. Nobody talks about the thousands and thousands of failures. So yes you should be very happy with $1000 MRR.
6gvONxR4sf7o超过 4 年前
&gt; [$500k] far outstrips what I can reasonably expect to earn in a decade, and I&#x27;m a developer working for a fintech startup with a good couple of years under my belt.<p>Is he saying that $50k&#x2F;year far outstrips what he can reasonably expect to earn as a fintech dev? If so, he&#x27;s at least as much of an outlier as the $500k&#x2F;year folks on the other end.<p>For better or worse, HN is a SF Bay Area centric forum. U.S. centric beyond that. All the discussion of whats normal needs to be understood through that lens. It&#x27;s the digital equivalent to coming to SF and saying $50k&#x2F;yr is crazy high. Sure, but not where you&#x27;re standing&#x2F;typing to.<p>(I&#x27;m not saying $500k is normal, nor that his other statements are off)
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devilduck超过 4 年前
I love HN but reading the comments is sometimes the most eye rolling thing I could possibly imagine doing. Devoid of humor and personality in favor of some kind of robotic logic-only approach. I get some people want it to be purely academic but it&#x27;s a public forum and is inherently non-academic. And that doesn&#x27;t even mention the &quot;impartial&quot; moderation. It&#x27;s no wonder HN commenters get made fun of mercilessly outside of HN.
etherio超过 4 年前
I&#x27;m not sure it&#x27;s that these people are &quot;gods&quot; living with unimaginable amounts of money but it might just be an exaggerated form of flexing.<p>That could explain why the comments are often out of touch with the post at hand - their goal isn&#x27;t to provide insight with that comment, but more to show off.
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tchalla超过 4 年前
MRR - Monthly Recurring Revenue, in case anyone else is wondering.
ktpsns超过 4 年前
So here is a story about Germany, a standard western country: I recently started in IT freelancing and the loans are crazy compared to most other jobs in this country. It depends a bit on the clients, but in the finance sector 1000€&#x2F;day are standard. Many colleagues tell me they would not work for less then 100€&#x2F;hour.<p>Coming from academia where you are lucky with a 2000€&#x2F;month postdoc position, this is insane. It feels completely detached from the rest of society. Even a professor, judge or director doesn&#x27;t make more then 8000€&#x2F;month (netto).
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paganel超过 4 年前
I&#x27;ve been on this website for a very long time and one of my main rules of thumb is to avoid almost all discussions regarding compensation + VC money + start-ups and the like, it&#x27;s pretty doable.
thewebcount超过 4 年前
I&#x27;m a FAANG engineers making a bunch of money, and I mostly agree with what he&#x27;s saying in this piece. $1,000 MRR is great! I&#x27;m starting up a side project and hope to make $100MRR in the first year. (I don&#x27;t want to spend all of my free time on it, but want to give it a go.)<p>Before working for FAANG, I had my own business. I was able to pay myself a salary that supported me and my spouse (who also worked) in the MidWest, and it was an exhausting 24&#x2F;7 job. (I literally answered a tech support call at 3AM on occasion.) Any positive amount of money coming in is great!<p>FWIW, I make the kind of money he&#x27;s talking about and I still think that an extra $600&#x2F;mo. is useful. I just refinanced my mortgage to save ~$400&#x2F;mo. I&#x27;m probably going to move to a different internet provider because mine jacked up prices. It&#x27;s not at all ridiculous to think that it&#x27;s good to save money no matter how much you make. (You do have to weigh the amount of time it takes to save the money, though. As you make more, you tend to be less willing to spend a lot of time on doing things to save smaller amounts of money.)
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Jaruzel超过 4 年前
I think it&#x27;s fair to say that the 80&#x2F;20 rule applies here. 80% of us are on fair wages for our skill set, and are mostly in semi-comfortable jobs, and are mostly OK with that.<p>The other 20%... well good on you, but not everyone is cut out for working 20 hour days, 7 days a week for months on end on a startup that may or may not make any money.<p>Personally, as long as I can feed myself, pay my bills, and look after my family, I&#x27;m happy. Also for me, only having to work 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, is a bonus.
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amelius超过 4 年前
It&#x27;s not the people, it&#x27;s the entire atmosphere. With companies like Zoom and Uber reaching marketcaps of like $100B within one or two years, can you really expect the people who are capable of building the technical infrastructure of these companies to feel proud of&#x2F;satisfied with an income of $1k&#x2F;mo?
corytheboyd超过 4 年前
Wait I thought the comment the author is picking apart was about $1k MRR for a startup company. That’s much much much different than $1k MRR for a side project.
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diehunde超过 4 年前
If you really want to see people humble-bragging about their salaries go to Blind.
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rvn1045超过 4 年前
FAANG engineers aren&#x27;t necessarily working on the most interesting or most challenging problems. Having worked at a FAANG I know several FAANG engineers making $300k+ while working less than 10-15 hours a week.<p>Doing the work at these FAANG companies is the easy part. Getting a job there is the harder part. And you generally have to fit a certain profile (target school, age range, geography etc) to be given a shot at an interview. Tech companies are generally a lot less exclusive than other higher paying industries like wall street though, and you can still score an interview at a FAANG even without the right kind of profile.
song超过 4 年前
&gt; That&#x27;s $600 per month. Extra. From a thing on the side.<p>&gt; I realise that I live in one of those cheap, unappealing parts of the world, but that kinda money would easily cover me and my family&#x27;s rent every month, and then some. Do you realise how much of a mental weight that can take off a persons shoulders? To know rent is covered over and above your day-job earnings?<p>Well yes, exactly that&#x27;s the issue with comparing salaries without thinking of cost of living. I live in a smallish apartment that&#x27;s most likely smaller than the OP but pay 4k usd a month for rent. It changes your point of view of what&#x27;s decent compensation and does mean that to cover the typical expenses, I have to have a much higher salary than in a lot of countries...<p>It&#x27;s all relative, is living in a high cost of living environment nice? Yes, in my case because I&#x27;m careful and still try to save a lot of my income but it does require me to take certain type of jobs and reduces my ability to take risks. It also comes with a probably less enviable work&#x2F;life balance..
bot41超过 4 年前
$500k a year is unbelievable to me (so is $200k)
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1290cc超过 4 年前
It may be a bit frustrating to read but it helped me to understand the true value of the work I was doing and what others are being compensated.<p>I remember my first job age 20 working for a startup that developed an early version of Twitter but designed for neighbors (this was around 2001).<p>I had to write drivers for a GSM module, write a server to process incoming&#x2F;outgoing SMS messages, write an API into an SMS-C, build a website for users to interact and administer on. Do it all in java&#x2F;linux as we had zero investment to buy anything. For all of this I was paid minimum wage (&lt;$250&#x2F;month) and had zero equity.<p>It was only through forums like this that I discovered how horrifically exploited I was. This was a long time ago and the founder had no business sense but was smart technically. Business shutdown after 2 years and I went onto bigger and better things. One thing I will say is that silicon valley pays better than anywhere else I&#x27;ve lived in the world (Asia, Africa, Europe).
cwkoss超过 4 年前
&gt; That annual salary far outstrips what I can reasonably expect to earn in a decade, and I&#x27;m a developer working for a fintech startup with a good couple of years under my belt. For most people in the world, $500K pa is a preposterous amount of money.<p>There are developers at fintech startups making $50k&#x2F;year? After 10 years of employement? Maybe the author is just being superlative here, but I find this surprising. Yes $500k a year is a very high salary, but 1&#x2F;10th of that is a pretty low salary for an experienced developer - particularly for the latter half of that decade.<p>Depends on skill level, but I&#x27;d suggest any developer making less than (70k + 10k * years of experience) take some interviews to check if they are working for below market rate.
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kache_超过 4 年前
This website is an embarrassment
bagacrap超过 4 年前
It doesn&#x27;t seem like the author&#x27;s reading past the first line of the comment. The HN commenter says 1kMRR from a <i>side project</i> is indeed impressive. Immediately after, the author states &quot;$1000 per month from a side project is considered meh.&quot; The entire article is responding to a straw man.<p>FWIW the original article the comment came from was about 1k MRR <i>startups</i>. I think if you treat it like a startup, you better be making more than 1k&#x2F;mo after a couple years (or, alternately, losing 100M per month) to be considered impressive.
dusted超过 4 年前
I agree, making something and actually selling is can be really damn hard.<p>Actually, making something and giving it away for free and having people use it, still damn hard.<p>I made a few games that I&#x27;m giving away for free, open source and all.. They&#x27;re not that bad, still , almost nobody knows about them or plays them, and they&#x27;re in most major linux distributions too.
spacedcowboy超过 4 年前
TIL I&#x27;m a &quot;god&quot;. Apparently the quiet type, because I don&#x27;t make the comments the author is referring to.<p><i>looks around</i> It sure doesn&#x27;t <i>feel</i> like heaven around here... In fact, it&#x27;s been a bit hot, recently...
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hamilyon2超过 4 年前
For some people 100 billion is apparently not much money <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=21097736" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=21097736</a>
lapaz17超过 4 年前
Yet my friend who is PHd on AI at EPFL makes 3k per month (his role idol is Aziz Sancar,whose parents do not know how to read and write, has Nobel prize [0]).<p>Humanity will be doomed because of this attitude. Those who have kids will be sworn by their next generation however money you made. Contributions to colleges is not same putting money in PHd&#x27;s pockets.Do I become rude if I say fuck all of these FAANG&#x27;s oversalaries? [0]<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;translate.google.com&#x2F;translate?sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hurriyet.com.tr&#x2F;gundem&#x2F;aziz-sancardan-turkiyeye-mesaj-30262686" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;translate.google.com&#x2F;translate?sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=https...</a>
ljm超过 4 年前
This is what the old Shit HN Says[0] Twitter feed should be about!<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;shit_hn_says" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;shit_hn_says</a>
naveen99超过 4 年前
Wow first time being called a God! I’d like to thank my 7th grade math teacher... truly speechless !!!
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draw_down超过 4 年前
I think it&#x27;s unfortunate people reacted to this point in the way that the author has. At least for me, all I&#x27;m saying is, look at everything this guy had to go through! And look what his payout is. It&#x27;s not pissing on the payout, or the guy&#x27;s effort, or saying he&#x27;s a mark. It&#x27;s acknowledging that most businesses don&#x27;t even get that far, so this is the <i>good</i> case. Meanwhile, you can sit down and make the same money in less time, taking what I would wager to be a significantly larger number of naps. And it doesn&#x27;t involve magic, or being a big-cheese VP, or any of this other stuff people say.<p>Now, obviously not everyone is cut out to be an employee, let alone an employee at a big tech co. Nothing wrong with being an entrepreneur, if that fits the cut of your jib better. It&#x27;s just to say, let&#x27;s be honest about the risk&#x2F;reward situation here. It&#x27;s not high-risk, high-reward compared to getting a big tech job. It&#x27;s high risk and middling reward. The job route is much less risk with an equal or greater reward. Why is it so horrible to say this??
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troughway超过 4 年前
The “gods” of Y Combinator are developers working for well established companies?<p>And these are people looking down upon someone turning an idea into recurring revenue on their own accord?<p>So much for the hacker and start up culture there fellas.<p>These are the comments that should be downvoted for being obnoxiously unhelpful, but they’re propped up as “God”-like.<p>I guess this is why a lot of quality old timers left HN.